Comments on: Comments and Free Speech http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John Newman http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-452 John Newman Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:11:29 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-452 Aye yie, yie!!!! Aye yie, yie!!!!

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-451 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:59:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-451 No John, hanging up your phone would be me finding a way to prevent you from writing what you want to at all. I'm not doing that, to anyone. Go get your own blog and write whatever you want. I've never said I allow, or don't allow, free speech. Because your individual behavior is not up to me. No John, hanging up your phone would be me finding a way to prevent you from writing what you want to at all. I’m not doing that, to anyone. Go get your own blog and write whatever you want.

I’ve never said I allow, or don’t allow, free speech. Because your individual behavior is not up to me.

]]> By: John Newman http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-450 John Newman Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:49:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-450 Wulf said: some sort of power to force Eric to listen to you or become your vehicle of free speech. This is no different from if he hung up on you on the telephone, So you are suggesting I am forcing Eric to read what I write here? I believe he has every right to ignore me and anything I have to say. By banning what I say would not be Eric hanging up his phone, but him hanging up my phone. Nowhere am I implying that Eric doesn't have a right to run this place as he sees fit, my complaint is that he says he allows free speech, which his policy clearly does not. If I say anything HE finds offensive you can all say good-bye to the newly banned John Newman, whether or not that same thing may or may not offend you. That simply is not allowing free speech, but as I said, he can do whatever he pleases. Wulf said:
some sort of power to force Eric to listen to you or become your vehicle of free speech. This is no different from if he hung up on you on the telephone,

So you are suggesting I am forcing Eric to read what I write here? I believe he has every right to ignore me and anything I have to say. By banning what I say would not be Eric hanging up his phone, but him hanging up my phone.

Nowhere am I implying that Eric doesn’t have a right to run this place as he sees fit, my complaint is that he says he allows free speech, which his policy clearly does not. If I say anything HE finds offensive you can all say good-bye to the newly banned John Newman, whether or not that same thing may or may not offend you. That simply is not allowing free speech, but as I said, he can do whatever he pleases.

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-449 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:31:41 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-449 I'll add one thing to that Wulf. The belief that I must use my private resources to enable someone else's speech, or I am "not allowing free speech" is a collectivist approach to the idea of rights. I am under no obligation to enable anyone else's rights or privileges, and I have no intention of doing so. But, I will not be bullied into admitting anything when there is nothing to admit. That's just more collectivism in the guise of being pro-liberty. I'm tempted to point out how PC such a position is, but that's probably just a low blow. ;-) I’ll add one thing to that Wulf. The belief that I must use my private resources to enable someone else’s speech, or I am “not allowing free speech” is a collectivist approach to the idea of rights. I am under no obligation to enable anyone else’s rights or privileges, and I have no intention of doing so. But, I will not be bullied into admitting anything when there is nothing to admit. That’s just more collectivism in the guise of being pro-liberty. I’m tempted to point out how PC such a position is, but that’s probably just a low blow. ;-)

]]> By: Wulf http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-448 Wulf Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:13:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-448 Some of you seem to be confusing your right to free speech with your having some sort of power to force Eric to listen to you or become your vehicle of free speech. This is no different from if he hung up on you on the telephone, or kicked you off of his front porch. People who call that a violation of free speech have no understanding of what repression and freedom actually are. Some of you seem to be confusing your right to free speech with your having some sort of power to force Eric to listen to you or become your vehicle of free speech. This is no different from if he hung up on you on the telephone, or kicked you off of his front porch. People who call that a violation of free speech have no understanding of what repression and freedom actually are.

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-447 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:44:59 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-447 Since your understanding of free speech is so collective, I really see no point to that. Since your understanding of free speech is so collective, I really see no point to that.

]]> By: John Newman http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-446 John Newman Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:22:05 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-446 eeeEric said: I don’t “allow” or “prevent” you from speaking freely. But if I do speak freely here, you'll ban me. Proving again that you do not 'allow' free speech here. eeeEric said:
I don’t “allow” or “prevent” you from speaking freely.

But if I do speak freely here, you’ll ban me. Proving again that you do not ‘allow’ free speech here.

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-445 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:09:07 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-445 I'm under no obligation to admit any such thing. Your freedom of speech is not up to me to allow or not allow. You seem to think that I am obligated to let someone use my blog to say whatever they want if I believe in free speech. I say to you, if you want to say whatever you want, get your own soapbox. Free speech does not corrolate to a right to be heard. Nor does it obligate me in any fashion. I refuse to be put under any obligation by you. There's nothing to be honest about because you are completely incorrect. I don't "allow" or "prevent" you from speaking freely. I’m under no obligation to admit any such thing. Your freedom of speech is not up to me to allow or not allow. You seem to think that I am obligated to let someone use my blog to say whatever they want if I believe in free speech. I say to you, if you want to say whatever you want, get your own soapbox. Free speech does not corrolate to a right to be heard. Nor does it obligate me in any fashion. I refuse to be put under any obligation by you. There’s nothing to be honest about because you are completely incorrect. I don’t “allow” or “prevent” you from speaking freely.

]]> By: John Newman http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-444 John Newman Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-444 At least be honest and say you allow 'limited' freedom of speech - limited to what you like. I think Jefferson would agree with me that freedom of speech can be offensive, and it should be - otherwise it ain't free, just cheap. At least be honest and say you allow ‘limited’ freedom of speech – limited to what you like. I think Jefferson would agree with me that freedom of speech can be offensive, and it should be – otherwise it ain’t free, just cheap.

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-443 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:27:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-443 Either you really don't "get it" or you like provoking fights. Either way, I don't feel like continuing to play. Either you really don’t “get it” or you like provoking fights. Either way, I don’t feel like continuing to play.

]]> By: John Newman http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-441 John Newman Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:24:55 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-441 It is your forum and you can do anything you want with it - even lie - and say you allow free speech when obviously by your own admission you don't. It even means you can make up your own definition of 'free speech.' It is your forum and you can do anything you want with it – even lie – and say you allow free speech when obviously by your own admission you don’t. It even means you can make up your own definition of ‘free speech.’

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-440 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:12:41 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-440 Thanks guys. Rogel, that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. I'm under no obligation to provide a forum to say anything you want to say. Tolerant doesn't mean that I have to enable something I find offensive. It simply means I don't try to coerce you not to say it. If you were offensive to me in my house, no one would consider me intolerant to kick you out of my house. Why is it different on my blog, that I pay for? Thanks guys. Rogel, that’s exactly the point I’m trying to make. I’m under no obligation to provide a forum to say anything you want to say. Tolerant doesn’t mean that I have to enable something I find offensive. It simply means I don’t try to coerce you not to say it. If you were offensive to me in my house, no one would consider me intolerant to kick you out of my house. Why is it different on my blog, that I pay for?

]]> By: Rogel http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-439 Rogel Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:13:53 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-439 The blog is Eric private property. In my house you are my guest and have no right for freedom of speech. If someone want the freedom of speech, do it on your own expense. The blog is Eric private property. In my house you are my guest and have no right for freedom of speech.
If someone want the freedom of speech, do it on your own expense.

]]> By: Sacramento Republicrat http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-438 Sacramento Republicrat Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:02:33 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-438 Eric anti free speech??? That's funny! No disrespect intended to anyone. But anyone who believes that has serious issues... SR Eric anti free speech???

That’s funny! No disrespect intended to anyone. But anyone who believes that has serious issues…

SR

]]> By: Eric http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-435 Eric Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:06:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/11/comments-and-free-speech/#comment-435 You do realize, in a world where you can put up a free blog in 10 minutes, your position doesn't sound credible, right? I'm not trying to prevent anyone from saying anything. I just see no reason to provide a forum, at my own expense, for certain things. Other than that, I am pretty tolerant, so thanks. I suspect, though, that we really mean two different things. You do realize, in a world where you can put up a free blog in 10 minutes, your position doesn’t sound credible, right? I’m not trying to prevent anyone from saying anything. I just see no reason to provide a forum, at my own expense, for certain things.

Other than that, I am pretty tolerant, so thanks. I suspect, though, that we really mean two different things.

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