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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry... that&#039;s &#039;communication&#039; skills, not sommunication. I guess I need to work on mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230; that&#8217;s &#8216;communication&#8217; skills, not sommunication. I guess I need to work on mine.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry... that&#039;s &#039;communication&#039; skils, not sommunication. I guess I need to work on mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230; that&#8217;s &#8216;communication&#8217; skils, not sommunication. I guess I need to work on mine.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kay, you must be reading my mind! Budget cuts hit most vocational programs hard a few years back. Students do not seem to have the opportunities many of us had to enter vocational tracks within their school systems. At best, most schools allow their students to be bussed to another town or county for a portion of the day or week to take trades classes, but these kids are still expected to meet the same academic requirements for graduation. I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s bad necessarily, but many of the kids I work with will not become engineers, doctors, or Pulitzer Prize winning novelists (and they have no aspirations to be). Those who may head that direction need the advanced math, science, and English. Those who have other interests can become discouraged by the emphasis on these requirements for graduation. A well-rounded education is essential for success, but I don&#039;t think our kids get that kind of education. I would love to see a way to educate emerge that combined techniques that encompass life skills... sort of like requiring a general education similar to one required by a liberal arts college, plus a track selected by the student that helps them develop in a specialty area that interests them. I guess that&#039;s what many charter or magnet schools offer, in a nutshell. Is it possible to do that on a larger scale for our public schools? I don&#039;t have the answer to that. Funding issues, staff numbers, realistic tracks selected by students, and who sets the standards for general ed are all concerns for a system like this. Practical application education is also effective, in my opinion. It&#039;s interesting for me to see how old friends and students of mine who were so weak in math and science have become nuclear and communications techincians through military training. I&#039;d be interested to know from anyone with military training, how math, science, and sommunication skills are taught in basic training and beyond. Whatever it is they are doing seems to work well. Reform is definitely necessary in our public schools, but change is a frightening concept to many. My question is, if we know it&#039;s not working now, why keep doing things the same way? It&#039;s such an ignorant approach, especially when you&#039;re talking about growth and development of the mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay, you must be reading my mind! Budget cuts hit most vocational programs hard a few years back. Students do not seem to have the opportunities many of us had to enter vocational tracks within their school systems. At best, most schools allow their students to be bussed to another town or county for a portion of the day or week to take trades classes, but these kids are still expected to meet the same academic requirements for graduation. I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s bad necessarily, but many of the kids I work with will not become engineers, doctors, or Pulitzer Prize winning novelists (and they have no aspirations to be). Those who may head that direction need the advanced math, science, and English. Those who have other interests can become discouraged by the emphasis on these requirements for graduation. A well-rounded education is essential for success, but I don&#8217;t think our kids get that kind of education. I would love to see a way to educate emerge that combined techniques that encompass life skills&#8230; sort of like requiring a general education similar to one required by a liberal arts college, plus a track selected by the student that helps them develop in a specialty area that interests them. I guess that&#8217;s what many charter or magnet schools offer, in a nutshell. Is it possible to do that on a larger scale for our public schools? I don&#8217;t have the answer to that. Funding issues, staff numbers, realistic tracks selected by students, and who sets the standards for general ed are all concerns for a system like this. Practical application education is also effective, in my opinion. It&#8217;s interesting for me to see how old friends and students of mine who were so weak in math and science have become nuclear and communications techincians through military training. I&#8217;d be interested to know from anyone with military training, how math, science, and sommunication skills are taught in basic training and beyond. Whatever it is they are doing seems to work well. Reform is definitely necessary in our public schools, but change is a frightening concept to many. My question is, if we know it&#8217;s not working now, why keep doing things the same way? It&#8217;s such an ignorant approach, especially when you&#8217;re talking about growth and development of the mind.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Collectivist world view? Maybe. But I don&#039;t impose my political viewpoint on my students. I teach content only in my classroom. That&#039;s why I stated that it&#039;s best for parents and community members to instill values in their kids. But I see your point if the post refers to education in general. We need a society of free thinkers, Fearless... you are right on target. I doubt most people know or care that they are being &#039;conditioned&#039; NOT to think. It defies human nature. But why worry about it when the government checks keep rolling in and American Idol is still on television? I&#039;m in no way an anarchist, but I do think collectivism is the root of evil. We should have a government &#039;for the people and by the people,&#039; not a bunch of fat cats looking for more power, influence, and money. If it were up to me, I&#039;d vote out every representative in Washington, disband every union, and scrap everything bare all the way down to the Constitution and start over. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to have people in office (and in the classroom) who genuinely cared about the future of this country? It&#039;s a nice thought to have people who play the game because they love it rather than to expect multi-million dollar contracts. Maybe that&#039;s a bad analogy, I don&#039;t know. We, as Americans, need to wake up before it&#039;s even to late to think of starting a revolution. I don&#039;t condone radicalism, but we&#039;re on a fast track to the end of the republic, and controlling the minds of student citizens is its Genesis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collectivist world view? Maybe. But I don&#8217;t impose my political viewpoint on my students. I teach content only in my classroom. That&#8217;s why I stated that it&#8217;s best for parents and community members to instill values in their kids. But I see your point if the post refers to education in general. We need a society of free thinkers, Fearless&#8230; you are right on target. I doubt most people know or care that they are being &#8216;conditioned&#8217; NOT to think. It defies human nature. But why worry about it when the government checks keep rolling in and American Idol is still on television? I&#8217;m in no way an anarchist, but I do think collectivism is the root of evil. We should have a government &#8216;for the people and by the people,&#8217; not a bunch of fat cats looking for more power, influence, and money. If it were up to me, I&#8217;d vote out every representative in Washington, disband every union, and scrap everything bare all the way down to the Constitution and start over. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to have people in office (and in the classroom) who genuinely cared about the future of this country? It&#8217;s a nice thought to have people who play the game because they love it rather than to expect multi-million dollar contracts. Maybe that&#8217;s a bad analogy, I don&#8217;t know. We, as Americans, need to wake up before it&#8217;s even to late to think of starting a revolution. I don&#8217;t condone radicalism, but we&#8217;re on a fast track to the end of the republic, and controlling the minds of student citizens is its Genesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Fearless Philosophy for Free Minds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fearless Philosophy for Free Minds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Are Teacher?s Unions a Greater Threat to Liberty t&lt;/strong&gt;

Imagine the threat to liberty when generations of school children are taught a collectivist world view for thirteen or so years! Look no further than our current generation of leadership of both parties... While terrorists try to acquire weapons of m...]]></description>
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<p>Imagine the threat to liberty when generations of school children are taught a collectivist world view for thirteen or so years! Look no further than our current generation of leadership of both parties&#8230; While terrorists try to acquire weapons of m&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem - that was wonderful - I can see that we&#039;re on the same page here completely!  My brother-in-law is a school psychologist and he says pretty much the same thing you have about parents and the &quot;self-worth&quot; issue.  We were raised by parents who instilled self-confidence (which is a totally different animal from self-worth).  You can have self-confidence and still have a bit of modesty and humility - not so with an inflated sense of self worth.

My hubby came home yesterday and told me he &quot;went off&quot; on one of his co-workers who has an 18 year old daughter.  Co-worker is a single father who was terribly upset a couple weeks ago because his daughter told him she was going to join the marines.  He wanted to shelter her from it and we advised him that she&#039;s old enough to make her own decisions, and he needs to let her go.  Now, she wants a new car, and he&#039;s ready to co-sign on it for her.  My hubby told him he shouldn&#039;t even consider it - again, it&#039;s tough love, but it&#039;s the way we were brought up.  She has a car - it&#039;s just not &quot;cool&quot; enough.  

I think as much as anything, this illustrates what you&#039;re talking about - parents give too much and try to shelter their children from the real world to the point that they have no concept of how to live on their own.  

By the time I was 15, I was working part time throughout the summer, at 16 I worked part time through school, and at 17 I was working full time.  My dad did buy an old classic car for me which he fixed up, but he would NEVER co-sign a loan for me.  And, frankly, I&#039;m very glad.  He taught me to stand on my own two feet - and I hope to be able to impart that to my daughters.  

One thing that I&#039;d like to see done in our educational system (and I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts on this) is rather than having standards lowered, is to steer kids towards vocational or technical schools if that is where their aptitude lies rather than trying to make each fit into an institute of &quot;higher learning&quot;.  Of course, parents today would probably have a problem with that as well - in my own high school years, my parents were the &quot;steering committee&quot;, LOL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem &#8211; that was wonderful &#8211; I can see that we&#8217;re on the same page here completely!  My brother-in-law is a school psychologist and he says pretty much the same thing you have about parents and the &#8220;self-worth&#8221; issue.  We were raised by parents who instilled self-confidence (which is a totally different animal from self-worth).  You can have self-confidence and still have a bit of modesty and humility &#8211; not so with an inflated sense of self worth.</p>
<p>My hubby came home yesterday and told me he &#8220;went off&#8221; on one of his co-workers who has an 18 year old daughter.  Co-worker is a single father who was terribly upset a couple weeks ago because his daughter told him she was going to join the marines.  He wanted to shelter her from it and we advised him that she&#8217;s old enough to make her own decisions, and he needs to let her go.  Now, she wants a new car, and he&#8217;s ready to co-sign on it for her.  My hubby told him he shouldn&#8217;t even consider it &#8211; again, it&#8217;s tough love, but it&#8217;s the way we were brought up.  She has a car &#8211; it&#8217;s just not &#8220;cool&#8221; enough.  </p>
<p>I think as much as anything, this illustrates what you&#8217;re talking about &#8211; parents give too much and try to shelter their children from the real world to the point that they have no concept of how to live on their own.  </p>
<p>By the time I was 15, I was working part time throughout the summer, at 16 I worked part time through school, and at 17 I was working full time.  My dad did buy an old classic car for me which he fixed up, but he would NEVER co-sign a loan for me.  And, frankly, I&#8217;m very glad.  He taught me to stand on my own two feet &#8211; and I hope to be able to impart that to my daughters.  </p>
<p>One thing that I&#8217;d like to see done in our educational system (and I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts on this) is rather than having standards lowered, is to steer kids towards vocational or technical schools if that is where their aptitude lies rather than trying to make each fit into an institute of &#8220;higher learning&#8221;.  Of course, parents today would probably have a problem with that as well &#8211; in my own high school years, my parents were the &#8220;steering committee&#8221;, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Kay. I do this for someone else&#039;s child&#039;s sake. Most of the students I have are wonderful. I look forward to work only because of them. What I dread about my job has little to do with even the worst behaved kids. It usually has something to do with the adminstrators, the &#039;troublesome&#039; parents, or the union threatening to strike if bargaining does not go well. 

Adminstrators were once master teachers, who served as a support base for faculty. Now they are more like supervisors in a warehouse, at odds with the line laborers, and hoping there are no injuries or lawsuits (but doing little to prevent anything because they are paid well to just keep the minimum quota thing happening). I don&#039;t think all administrators are bad, but I have seen many who have been so terribly brow-beaten that they either hide in their offices and hope no one disturbs them, or take out their frustration on the non-tenured teachers (because they are the only ones who can really get into any trouble these days). 

About the parents: please don&#039;t misunderstand my comment above as passing the blame on to someone else. But  I have more trouble dealing with parents than with students, on average. If I reprimand or correct a student in any way, I can expect to be called in for a conference the next day. When I was in school, I wouldn&#039;t dare complain to my parents about a teacher scolding me, giving me detention, or failing me for not doing the work. My parents would have &#039;let me have it&#039; if I had even tried to  make the teacher out to be the bad guy. It&#039;s ironic how overprotective many people in my generation have become toward their kids (as parents). I&#039;m sure the bad reputation our profession has acquired has something to do with this, but there has also been a breakdown in the ethics, courtesy, and accountability in members of our society that is most evident in how parents involve themselves in fighting everyday battles of their children. The lesson often learned here is that the students control the tone of the class and the quality of their work, or mom will be in the principal&#039;s office stat to &#039;fix&#039; the problem with the teacher. Kids are smart. They know they have a lot of leverage in this regard. 

Our unions do not help much in the above scenario. In fact, if they opine at all about it, it is usually a very liberal mantra that &#039;we must take into account the feelings of the child.&#039; I&#039;m sorry, but I believe that to spare the rod really does spoil the child. I was &#039;pre-diagnosis&#039; (because I&#039;m a 70&#039;s/80&#039;s child) for a lot of the attention disorders, inclusion, and accomodation policies, but know I could have been labled ADD or ADHD when I was in my pre and (early teen) years. But my &#039;medicine&#039; or &#039;accomodation&#039; was that my parents had very high expectations of me. It was tough love. It worked. I stayed off the streets, stayed out of jail, finished school, went to college, and got a degree. I struggled--- a lot. But I made it. This is harder now because of the &#039;No Child Left Behind&#039; policy and other such nonsensical mumbo-jumbo. Whatever happened to survival of the fittest? Everyone deserves a chance, true, but the only way to keep EVERYONE from falling behind is to set more attainable goals for all (thus lowering the bar for kids who deserve to be challenged). Few people seem to be at all upset by this. It&#039;s more about the self-esteem of growing young people than about setting up a system where one feels a sense of accomplishment for learning something new and advancing to the next level. A values system is being put into place by our public schools that awards mediocrity, and allows for every answer to be right. I&#039;d like to believe that values that are instilled in a child by his parents and/or community are what produce the best results (sometimes in spite of lousy schools). But if children become dependent on their parents, then their employer, then the government... freedom ultimately gives way to socialism. Our unions support this evolution of dependency. It&#039;s always about sticking it to &#039;the man&#039; lest ye get stuck. Education in America (the big picture) has removed itself so far from the task of educating children, and has instead endeared itself with the business of politics. Follow the dollar signs and you will eventually find absolute power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People in such positions of power do, or will eventually try to keep power by dumbing down and disarming their subordinates. What greater way to ensure absolute power than to steer the education of citizens down a path of ignorance and disinformation. The NEA has not convinced me that it cares about the education of our young people. It has, however, convinced me that it is on a diligent quest for absolute power. If we want our descendants to be slaves to a government or organized labor syndicate, we&#039;re certainly on the right path. I&#039;m all for disbanding teacher&#039;s unions, and getting back to the three R&#039;s: readin&#039; &#039;ritin&#039; and &#039;rithmentic. Heck, I&#039;d settle for responsibilty, respect, and resourcefulness. Sorry for the long post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kay. I do this for someone else&#8217;s child&#8217;s sake. Most of the students I have are wonderful. I look forward to work only because of them. What I dread about my job has little to do with even the worst behaved kids. It usually has something to do with the adminstrators, the &#8216;troublesome&#8217; parents, or the union threatening to strike if bargaining does not go well. </p>
<p>Adminstrators were once master teachers, who served as a support base for faculty. Now they are more like supervisors in a warehouse, at odds with the line laborers, and hoping there are no injuries or lawsuits (but doing little to prevent anything because they are paid well to just keep the minimum quota thing happening). I don&#8217;t think all administrators are bad, but I have seen many who have been so terribly brow-beaten that they either hide in their offices and hope no one disturbs them, or take out their frustration on the non-tenured teachers (because they are the only ones who can really get into any trouble these days). </p>
<p>About the parents: please don&#8217;t misunderstand my comment above as passing the blame on to someone else. But  I have more trouble dealing with parents than with students, on average. If I reprimand or correct a student in any way, I can expect to be called in for a conference the next day. When I was in school, I wouldn&#8217;t dare complain to my parents about a teacher scolding me, giving me detention, or failing me for not doing the work. My parents would have &#8216;let me have it&#8217; if I had even tried to  make the teacher out to be the bad guy. It&#8217;s ironic how overprotective many people in my generation have become toward their kids (as parents). I&#8217;m sure the bad reputation our profession has acquired has something to do with this, but there has also been a breakdown in the ethics, courtesy, and accountability in members of our society that is most evident in how parents involve themselves in fighting everyday battles of their children. The lesson often learned here is that the students control the tone of the class and the quality of their work, or mom will be in the principal&#8217;s office stat to &#8216;fix&#8217; the problem with the teacher. Kids are smart. They know they have a lot of leverage in this regard. </p>
<p>Our unions do not help much in the above scenario. In fact, if they opine at all about it, it is usually a very liberal mantra that &#8216;we must take into account the feelings of the child.&#8217; I&#8217;m sorry, but I believe that to spare the rod really does spoil the child. I was &#8216;pre-diagnosis&#8217; (because I&#8217;m a 70&#8242;s/80&#8242;s child) for a lot of the attention disorders, inclusion, and accomodation policies, but know I could have been labled ADD or ADHD when I was in my pre and (early teen) years. But my &#8216;medicine&#8217; or &#8216;accomodation&#8217; was that my parents had very high expectations of me. It was tough love. It worked. I stayed off the streets, stayed out of jail, finished school, went to college, and got a degree. I struggled&#8212; a lot. But I made it. This is harder now because of the &#8216;No Child Left Behind&#8217; policy and other such nonsensical mumbo-jumbo. Whatever happened to survival of the fittest? Everyone deserves a chance, true, but the only way to keep EVERYONE from falling behind is to set more attainable goals for all (thus lowering the bar for kids who deserve to be challenged). Few people seem to be at all upset by this. It&#8217;s more about the self-esteem of growing young people than about setting up a system where one feels a sense of accomplishment for learning something new and advancing to the next level. A values system is being put into place by our public schools that awards mediocrity, and allows for every answer to be right. I&#8217;d like to believe that values that are instilled in a child by his parents and/or community are what produce the best results (sometimes in spite of lousy schools). But if children become dependent on their parents, then their employer, then the government&#8230; freedom ultimately gives way to socialism. Our unions support this evolution of dependency. It&#8217;s always about sticking it to &#8216;the man&#8217; lest ye get stuck. Education in America (the big picture) has removed itself so far from the task of educating children, and has instead endeared itself with the business of politics. Follow the dollar signs and you will eventually find absolute power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People in such positions of power do, or will eventually try to keep power by dumbing down and disarming their subordinates. What greater way to ensure absolute power than to steer the education of citizens down a path of ignorance and disinformation. The NEA has not convinced me that it cares about the education of our young people. It has, however, convinced me that it is on a diligent quest for absolute power. If we want our descendants to be slaves to a government or organized labor syndicate, we&#8217;re certainly on the right path. I&#8217;m all for disbanding teacher&#8217;s unions, and getting back to the three R&#8217;s: readin&#8217; &#8216;ritin&#8217; and &#8216;rithmentic. Heck, I&#8217;d settle for responsibilty, respect, and resourcefulness. Sorry for the long post.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David - all I can say is bless you for keeping on keeping on!  I can tell you first hand that this is not a job that I&#039;d take on for someone elses childrens sake - and certainly not in the world of today.  I attempted to teach a vacation bible school several years ago and learned from that brief experience that I&#039;m simply not equipped to deal with the smart-mouthed, loud-mouthed, out-of-control kids that were dropped off by their parents.  My kiddos aren&#039;t perfect, but they&#039;re mine and they KNOW when they&#039;ve talked back too much and when they&#039;d better knuckle down and get back to business.  In addition, my oldest daughter would almost assuredly be labeled as learning disabled as she has difficulties sitting still and focusing - but in our home situation we can address it without it being a disruption - and I actually can try to teach her how to control her inclinations without resorting to drugs.  Which brings up that dreaded topic of ADHD - I tend more toward the Neal Boortz position on that - but since I deal with a child first hand who has those tendancies, I can surely understand how difficult it is for teachers in a classroom setting to deal with this personality type without a bit of help!  At any rate, sounds to me as though you&#039;re definitely one of the exceptions to which I was referring!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; all I can say is bless you for keeping on keeping on!  I can tell you first hand that this is not a job that I&#8217;d take on for someone elses childrens sake &#8211; and certainly not in the world of today.  I attempted to teach a vacation bible school several years ago and learned from that brief experience that I&#8217;m simply not equipped to deal with the smart-mouthed, loud-mouthed, out-of-control kids that were dropped off by their parents.  My kiddos aren&#8217;t perfect, but they&#8217;re mine and they KNOW when they&#8217;ve talked back too much and when they&#8217;d better knuckle down and get back to business.  In addition, my oldest daughter would almost assuredly be labeled as learning disabled as she has difficulties sitting still and focusing &#8211; but in our home situation we can address it without it being a disruption &#8211; and I actually can try to teach her how to control her inclinations without resorting to drugs.  Which brings up that dreaded topic of ADHD &#8211; I tend more toward the Neal Boortz position on that &#8211; but since I deal with a child first hand who has those tendancies, I can surely understand how difficult it is for teachers in a classroom setting to deal with this personality type without a bit of help!  At any rate, sounds to me as though you&#8217;re definitely one of the exceptions to which I was referring!</p>
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		<title>By: News, the Universe, and Everything &#187; Who does your doctor work for?</title>
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		<dc:creator>News, the Universe, and Everything &#187; Who does your doctor work for?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kay, I find it interesting that you mentioned teachers&#039; inability to meet standards--- I am certified in three states (Indiana, Illinois, and Texas). Each time I took an exam for licensure, I waited in lines with people who were retaking the tests; many had failed at several attempts. I never understood why it was so difficult, especially for younger prospective educators. After all, they are part of this generation that is being so rigorously tested. As a public school teacher, it pains me to say that this is a shining example of how poorly these kids are being prepared for the workplace. If teachers can&#039;t pass general skills tests (let alone content mastery tests), how can they be expected to teach effectively? I believe that some teachers strive to do the job well, but their efforts are overshadowed by stories of inappropriate student/teacher relationships, incompetent teachers who miraculously attained tenure status, and the &#039;shady&#039; union that claims to represent teachers for the good of the students. You know, come to think of it, I have never heard a union steward or representative mention the welfare of students. Isn&#039;t that interesting? Personally, I&#039;d just like to have more options as a teacher. If we had some alternative organizations in our district, I&#039;d feel better. But I&#039;m not really sure I need to belong to a union at all. If I feel as if I have no leverage with my contract, or cannot fulfill my obligations to my students, I pack up and move to another district. Admittedly, this is getting old, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay, I find it interesting that you mentioned teachers&#8217; inability to meet standards&#8212; I am certified in three states (Indiana, Illinois, and Texas). Each time I took an exam for licensure, I waited in lines with people who were retaking the tests; many had failed at several attempts. I never understood why it was so difficult, especially for younger prospective educators. After all, they are part of this generation that is being so rigorously tested. As a public school teacher, it pains me to say that this is a shining example of how poorly these kids are being prepared for the workplace. If teachers can&#8217;t pass general skills tests (let alone content mastery tests), how can they be expected to teach effectively? I believe that some teachers strive to do the job well, but their efforts are overshadowed by stories of inappropriate student/teacher relationships, incompetent teachers who miraculously attained tenure status, and the &#8216;shady&#8217; union that claims to represent teachers for the good of the students. You know, come to think of it, I have never heard a union steward or representative mention the welfare of students. Isn&#8217;t that interesting? Personally, I&#8217;d just like to have more options as a teacher. If we had some alternative organizations in our district, I&#8217;d feel better. But I&#8217;m not really sure I need to belong to a union at all. If I feel as if I have no leverage with my contract, or cannot fulfill my obligations to my students, I pack up and move to another district. Admittedly, this is getting old, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With loaded language like that he wants to tackle anyone else for inconsistency and logical fallacy? Pretty funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With loaded language like that he wants to tackle anyone else for inconsistency and logical fallacy? Pretty funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, Tom, as a homeschooling parent in a state that had vouchers for a while but did not offer them to homeschoolers, I truly take issue with your comment that &lt;i&gt;. . . school vouchers seem to be some type of code for fundamentalist christian home schooling. That type of education has more in common with the taliban than most people realize.&lt;/i&gt;

School vouchers in our state were used by parents whose children were going to schools who did not meet standards . . . and my own teaching in our homeschool is not to indoctrinate - but to teach my daughters to reason and think for themselves rather than to take everything that is spoon fed to them by some governmentally sponsored peons. I know there are remarkably talented, courageous, and exceptional teachers in the profession, but I also realize that they ARE the EXCEPTION and not the rule - and it has been that way for at least the last 30 years - at least in Florida.  Just yesterday there was another story that hit our local news about teachers who fail time and again to meet their own standards, but who are allowed to continue teaching despite their dismal failures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Tom, as a homeschooling parent in a state that had vouchers for a while but did not offer them to homeschoolers, I truly take issue with your comment that <i>. . . school vouchers seem to be some type of code for fundamentalist christian home schooling. That type of education has more in common with the taliban than most people realize.</i></p>
<p>School vouchers in our state were used by parents whose children were going to schools who did not meet standards . . . and my own teaching in our homeschool is not to indoctrinate &#8211; but to teach my daughters to reason and think for themselves rather than to take everything that is spoon fed to them by some governmentally sponsored peons. I know there are remarkably talented, courageous, and exceptional teachers in the profession, but I also realize that they ARE the EXCEPTION and not the rule &#8211; and it has been that way for at least the last 30 years &#8211; at least in Florida.  Just yesterday there was another story that hit our local news about teachers who fail time and again to meet their own standards, but who are allowed to continue teaching despite their dismal failures.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, the problem in American schools, no matter what part of the country (and why do I suspect you are a neighbor of Quincy and I, rather than Brad), is not &quot;investment in children&quot;. It has been demonstrated a multitude of times, that more money is not solving the issues in our government education system. 

By the way, you can actually believe in a certain that every one has to meet and still believe in individualism. It&#039;s pretty silly to argue otherwise. Setting standards doesn&#039;t mean that every person is forced into a round hole, regardless of whether they are a round peg, or not. In any case, the issue is not whether we have standards for education, or not (and I would argue that should be determined by the parents and teachers of the students, not bureaucrats). The issue is that when standards have been suggested as a means of improving education quality and performance, the unions have steadfastly resisted it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, the problem in American schools, no matter what part of the country (and why do I suspect you are a neighbor of Quincy and I, rather than Brad), is not &#8220;investment in children&#8221;. It has been demonstrated a multitude of times, that more money is not solving the issues in our government education system. </p>
<p>By the way, you can actually believe in a certain that every one has to meet and still believe in individualism. It&#8217;s pretty silly to argue otherwise. Setting standards doesn&#8217;t mean that every person is forced into a round hole, regardless of whether they are a round peg, or not. In any case, the issue is not whether we have standards for education, or not (and I would argue that should be determined by the parents and teachers of the students, not bureaucrats). The issue is that when standards have been suggested as a means of improving education quality and performance, the unions have steadfastly resisted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/02/26/threat-of-teachers-unions/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You cannot have your argument both ways. You either believe in individualism or you believe in standards.&quot;

It is, however, quite possible to believe in neither, which is what the unions do.  A belief in individualism would lead them away from positions like continual support for social promotion, which is nothing more than a declaration that age trumps individiual intellect and maturity.  As for their positions on standards, they oppose them NOT because they believe kids are individuals, but because they believe the teachers they claim to represent would be hurt by having to actually make sure kids learn little things like reading and math.  

&quot;Your essay is not worthy of a high school civics assignment.&quot;

You know, Tom, you&#039;re right on this one.  High school civics, at least when I took it, focused entirely on the goodness of collective action and government.  So Brad should really thank you for the complement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You cannot have your argument both ways. You either believe in individualism or you believe in standards.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is, however, quite possible to believe in neither, which is what the unions do.  A belief in individualism would lead them away from positions like continual support for social promotion, which is nothing more than a declaration that age trumps individiual intellect and maturity.  As for their positions on standards, they oppose them NOT because they believe kids are individuals, but because they believe the teachers they claim to represent would be hurt by having to actually make sure kids learn little things like reading and math.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Your essay is not worthy of a high school civics assignment.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know, Tom, you&#8217;re right on this one.  High school civics, at least when I took it, focused entirely on the goodness of collective action and government.  So Brad should really thank you for the complement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me just start out saying that I am not a teacher, nor do I belong to a union

There are glaring contradictions in your essay. Let me point out a few:

You make statements like: 

&quot;They benefit greatly from the idea that kids fit into cookie-cutter molds, and if one dares to exhibit individuality, they should be immediately muted with high doses of ritalin.&quot; 

&quot;Their threat to our freedom is not that of newsworthy attacks on human life, but the incremental destruction of human individualism.&quot; 

Then you say: 

They fight any implementation of standards or testing, because they wish to resist accountability. 

You cannot have your argument both ways. You either believe in individualism or you believe in standards.

In regards to vouchers, school vouchers seem to be some type of code for fundamentalist christian home schooling. That type of education has more in common with the taliban than most people realize.

You also seem to be promoting some type of standardized educational system that only you are capable of outlining, but of course, without unions.

The problem the south has comes from a lack of investment in children, not the teacher&#039;s union. When I say lack of investment, think of the investment that Alabama offered Mercedes and why Alabama (or Georgia) is unwilling to do the same for their children. Just like the farmer failing to water and tend his crops, the harvest has not going to be fruitful. Instead of investing in education of children, the south prefers to spend their public funds on the more expensive jailing of adults.

Your essay is not worthy of a high school civics assignment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just start out saying that I am not a teacher, nor do I belong to a union</p>
<p>There are glaring contradictions in your essay. Let me point out a few:</p>
<p>You make statements like: </p>
<p>&#8220;They benefit greatly from the idea that kids fit into cookie-cutter molds, and if one dares to exhibit individuality, they should be immediately muted with high doses of ritalin.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Their threat to our freedom is not that of newsworthy attacks on human life, but the incremental destruction of human individualism.&#8221; </p>
<p>Then you say: </p>
<p>They fight any implementation of standards or testing, because they wish to resist accountability. </p>
<p>You cannot have your argument both ways. You either believe in individualism or you believe in standards.</p>
<p>In regards to vouchers, school vouchers seem to be some type of code for fundamentalist christian home schooling. That type of education has more in common with the taliban than most people realize.</p>
<p>You also seem to be promoting some type of standardized educational system that only you are capable of outlining, but of course, without unions.</p>
<p>The problem the south has comes from a lack of investment in children, not the teacher&#8217;s union. When I say lack of investment, think of the investment that Alabama offered Mercedes and why Alabama (or Georgia) is unwilling to do the same for their children. Just like the farmer failing to water and tend his crops, the harvest has not going to be fruitful. Instead of investing in education of children, the south prefers to spend their public funds on the more expensive jailing of adults.</p>
<p>Your essay is not worthy of a high school civics assignment.</p>
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