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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 03:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, quota&#039;s were not introduced until the 20th century, in response to racism and prejudice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, quota&#8217;s were not introduced until the 20th century, in response to racism and prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;What value does a quota on immigration bring to the table?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So the immigrants come here in manageable numbers so they can be assimilated and more importantly be able to get jobs. Also, the quotas would only apply to unskilled immigrants, not skilled or even semi-skilled immigrants who wouldn&#039;t even be subjected to quotas nor would political and religious refugees of any skill level. Finally, 500,000 is a reasonable number for the construction and agricultural industries to be supplied with workers. We can look to, instead of a guest worker, a sojourner agreement that allows for open travel between Mexico and the United States for citizens of either country for those who want to work in America only temporarily.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;We are the only country in history (that I know of) that has turned migration patterns into a plus.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By imposing quotas (which staggered out the migration patterns over decades) and using health screenings to stop those with contagious diseases at places like Ellis Island. Terrorism was not even fathomed of back then.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;We should view anyone who wants to come here as an American. Anything less leads to the multi-culture problems that Europe is experiencing right now.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which is why I oppose guest worker programs because they create a second-class designation of residents with no hope of citizenship or opportunity to better their lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<blockquote><p><i>What value does a quota on immigration bring to the table?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>So the immigrants come here in manageable numbers so they can be assimilated and more importantly be able to get jobs. Also, the quotas would only apply to unskilled immigrants, not skilled or even semi-skilled immigrants who wouldn&#8217;t even be subjected to quotas nor would political and religious refugees of any skill level. Finally, 500,000 is a reasonable number for the construction and agricultural industries to be supplied with workers. We can look to, instead of a guest worker, a sojourner agreement that allows for open travel between Mexico and the United States for citizens of either country for those who want to work in America only temporarily.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>We are the only country in history (that I know of) that has turned migration patterns into a plus.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>By imposing quotas (which staggered out the migration patterns over decades) and using health screenings to stop those with contagious diseases at places like Ellis Island. Terrorism was not even fathomed of back then.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>We should view anyone who wants to come here as an American. Anything less leads to the multi-culture problems that Europe is experiencing right now.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why I oppose guest worker programs because they create a second-class designation of residents with no hope of citizenship or opportunity to better their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 22:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mickey, you may be shouting about this in the wrong place. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey, you may be shouting about this in the wrong place. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 20:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is time to militarize the border and stop illegal entry.  Following that step it is also time to begin jailing those that employ illegals.  The third step is taxpayer suits in every school district to over turn the Pyler vs Doe requirement that illegals get to steal education along with the free medical and other welfare they steal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time to militarize the border and stop illegal entry.  Following that step it is also time to begin jailing those that employ illegals.  The third step is taxpayer suits in every school district to over turn the Pyler vs Doe requirement that illegals get to steal education along with the free medical and other welfare they steal.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t even set a quota on it. What value does a quota on immigration bring to the table? We are the only country in history (that I know of) that has turned migration patterns into a plus. Every other nation or empire has been undone by migration. We should view anyone who wants to come here as an American. Anything less leads to the multi-culture problems that Europe is experiencing right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even set a quota on it. What value does a quota on immigration bring to the table? We are the only country in history (that I know of) that has turned migration patterns into a plus. Every other nation or empire has been undone by migration. We should view anyone who wants to come here as an American. Anything less leads to the multi-culture problems that Europe is experiencing right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad,

I agree with almost everything you&#039;re saying on immigration reform, including the limited amnesty; but I disagree with your proposal of a guest worker program.

All a guest worker program will do is create a permanent, unassimilated, underclass of people who will be poorer than most Americans and less skilled than most Americans and envious of Americans. This will lead to the riots and other problems that France and other European countries are experiencing with their Muslim minorities.

Instead, we should set an overall quota (about 500,000 a year just to throw out a number) for unskilled immigrants to enter the US with a clear road to citizenship by following the law and learning English and about this country (and abolish quotas for skilled workers, political refugees, religious refugees, and other persecuted peoples around the world).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I agree with almost everything you&#8217;re saying on immigration reform, including the limited amnesty; but I disagree with your proposal of a guest worker program.</p>
<p>All a guest worker program will do is create a permanent, unassimilated, underclass of people who will be poorer than most Americans and less skilled than most Americans and envious of Americans. This will lead to the riots and other problems that France and other European countries are experiencing with their Muslim minorities.</p>
<p>Instead, we should set an overall quota (about 500,000 a year just to throw out a number) for unskilled immigrants to enter the US with a clear road to citizenship by following the law and learning English and about this country (and abolish quotas for skilled workers, political refugees, religious refugees, and other persecuted peoples around the world).</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 13:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam,
  I agree that the actions of the protestors are abhorrent.  They&#039;re not advocating for a guest worker program, they&#039;re advocating that we simply ignore the fact that they don&#039;t respect our laws.  They are telling us they&#039;re above our law, and that won&#039;t win them any friends in this country.  One of my biggest fears is that we, as a country, will use the political backlash to make our immigration system even less sensible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,<br />
  I agree that the actions of the protestors are abhorrent.  They&#8217;re not advocating for a guest worker program, they&#8217;re advocating that we simply ignore the fact that they don&#8217;t respect our laws.  They are telling us they&#8217;re above our law, and that won&#8217;t win them any friends in this country.  One of my biggest fears is that we, as a country, will use the political backlash to make our immigration system even less sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: FederalRepublic.net &#187; A Classic Liberal&#8217;s Prospective On Illegal Immigration</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>FederalRepublic.net &#187; A Classic Liberal&#8217;s Prospective On Illegal Immigration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 01:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Read the rest of this common sense article at The Liberty Papers. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read the rest of this common sense article at The Liberty Papers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 01:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except article. The principles of the American Dream, mainly coming into this country seeking a better life, are time honored American values. However, first and foremost, those who wish to come here must respect the rule of law. And by protesting for so-called civil rights of illegal aliens, protesters have shown they have no respect for our entry laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except article. The principles of the American Dream, mainly coming into this country seeking a better life, are time honored American values. However, first and foremost, those who wish to come here must respect the rule of law. And by protesting for so-called civil rights of illegal aliens, protesters have shown they have no respect for our entry laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thoughts On Immigration</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thoughts On Immigration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Now, I see that I don&#8217;t have to. Over at The Liberty Papers, Brad Warbiany has an excellent post up about the immigration issue from a libertarian/classical liberal point of view. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, I see that I don&#8217;t have to. Over at The Liberty Papers, Brad Warbiany has an excellent post up about the immigration issue from a libertarian/classical liberal point of view. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Geopolitics News &#187; Latin American News - Give Us Huddled Masses - But Not Battered Women</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Geopolitics News &#187; Latin American News - Give Us Huddled Masses - But Not Battered Women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Immigration &amp; the American Dream Liberty Papers, CA - 11 hours ago  That stands in the way of freedom and of individual rights. Some of that human ingenuity is freed up when immigrants There is no future for him in Colombia. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Immigration &amp; the American Dream Liberty Papers, CA &#8211; 11 hours ago  That stands in the way of freedom and of individual rights. Some of that human ingenuity is freed up when immigrants There is no future for him in Colombia. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 13:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock - I think you&#039;re right - and that again highlights a difference.  When the US becomes a totalitarian police state, we, who&#039;ve taken so much liberty for granted, have no where else to go, so change has to be effected from the inside out.  Unfortunately, our love of freedom has lead us in too many ways to embrace those who would violate our laws to escape untenable situations in their own country rather than banding together to effect change themselves in the monster that *they* and *their* ancestors were responsible for creating.  

I&#039;m not advocating a carte blanche sending back of all illegals - while a part of me might like that, I realize it&#039;s an unrealistic thing to even fathom.  But I do think that we should definitely deport those who have been convicted of crime, and stop immediately any governmental benefits to anyone not in this country legally.  That would go a long way toward determining who *really* wants to live here - and who are just here for what they can get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock &#8211; I think you&#8217;re right &#8211; and that again highlights a difference.  When the US becomes a totalitarian police state, we, who&#8217;ve taken so much liberty for granted, have no where else to go, so change has to be effected from the inside out.  Unfortunately, our love of freedom has lead us in too many ways to embrace those who would violate our laws to escape untenable situations in their own country rather than banding together to effect change themselves in the monster that *they* and *their* ancestors were responsible for creating.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating a carte blanche sending back of all illegals &#8211; while a part of me might like that, I realize it&#8217;s an unrealistic thing to even fathom.  But I do think that we should definitely deport those who have been convicted of crime, and stop immediately any governmental benefits to anyone not in this country legally.  That would go a long way toward determining who *really* wants to live here &#8211; and who are just here for what they can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 05:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We have to enforce our laws, but when our laws are contrary to the very fabric of America, those laws need to change.&quot;

Exactly!  Enforce the laws.  Tax the people, print the money, finance the debt, do whatever it takes to enforce the laws on the books.  Enforce the laws regardless of circumstance or individual status.  Establish the police state they want.

I firmly believe the fastest path to regaining liberty is to (at least with our voices) demand STRICT law enforcement, including allocating the funds to enforce the laws on the books.  No legislative action needed; they&#039;ve already done that work.  All we need to do is demand the enforcement to show how ludicrous their nanny-esque, technocrati, facist, totalitarianism is.  Then, we will have the majority support required to repeal all (or all but the most basic) of this overreaching system and its bloated beauracracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have to enforce our laws, but when our laws are contrary to the very fabric of America, those laws need to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly!  Enforce the laws.  Tax the people, print the money, finance the debt, do whatever it takes to enforce the laws on the books.  Enforce the laws regardless of circumstance or individual status.  Establish the police state they want.</p>
<p>I firmly believe the fastest path to regaining liberty is to (at least with our voices) demand STRICT law enforcement, including allocating the funds to enforce the laws on the books.  No legislative action needed; they&#8217;ve already done that work.  All we need to do is demand the enforcement to show how ludicrous their nanny-esque, technocrati, facist, totalitarianism is.  Then, we will have the majority support required to repeal all (or all but the most basic) of this overreaching system and its bloated beauracracy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Unrepentant Individual &#187; My Thoughts on Immigration</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/05/01/immigration-the-american-dream/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unrepentant Individual &#187; My Thoughts on Immigration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 03:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I posted my thoughts on the current immigration hoopla over at The Liberty Papers. A little excerpt: As classical liberals, we believe in the theory of natural rights. The American Dream is the logical outgrowth of natural rights theory. Here’s the thing, though: while America was designed as a nation based upon natural rights, that doesn’t mean that only native-born Americans have them! [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I posted my thoughts on the current immigration hoopla over at The Liberty Papers. A little excerpt: As classical liberals, we believe in the theory of natural rights. The American Dream is the logical outgrowth of natural rights theory. Here’s the thing, though: while America was designed as a nation based upon natural rights, that doesn’t mean that only native-born Americans have them! [...]</p>
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