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	<title>Comments on: Stem Cells and Liberty</title>
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		<title>By: IndianCowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/23/stem-cells-and-liberty/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal opinion is that ESC&#039;s will make good research models.  But ASCs are the future of treatment.  Both are necessary.

ESC&#039;s are not your own cells, selfharvested adult stem cells are.  IN other words, the maximum potential of ESCs still leaves you not &#039;cured&#039; but &#039;patched up&#039;.  There&#039;s a whole lot more to it than that, but it&#039;s really the crux of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal opinion is that ESC&#8217;s will make good research models.  But ASCs are the future of treatment.  Both are necessary.</p>
<p>ESC&#8217;s are not your own cells, selfharvested adult stem cells are.  IN other words, the maximum potential of ESCs still leaves you not &#8216;cured&#8217; but &#8216;patched up&#8217;.  There&#8217;s a whole lot more to it than that, but it&#8217;s really the crux of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/23/stem-cells-and-liberty/#comment-1816</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If stem cell research does nothing else, but to refine the knowledge of cloning. More power to It. Clone me an organ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If stem cell research does nothing else, but to refine the knowledge of cloning. More power to It. Clone me an organ.</p>
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		<title>By: KKrassa</title>
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		<dc:creator>KKrassa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penicillin is also curing diseases. Should we stop ALL medical research? I hear leeches are making a comeback as well.

I am an embryonic stem cell advocate and I am not the least bit angry that we have had some medical success with adult stem cells. I am angry that the enemies of embryonic stem cells exagerrate the medical efficacy of adult stem cells and insist we should do one or the other. Forty years of research with one type of cell bearing fruit is just not an argument against doing research with a newly discovered cell type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penicillin is also curing diseases. Should we stop ALL medical research? I hear leeches are making a comeback as well.</p>
<p>I am an embryonic stem cell advocate and I am not the least bit angry that we have had some medical success with adult stem cells. I am angry that the enemies of embryonic stem cells exagerrate the medical efficacy of adult stem cells and insist we should do one or the other. Forty years of research with one type of cell bearing fruit is just not an argument against doing research with a newly discovered cell type.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

For a libertarian/classical liberal, or simply anyone who believes in limited government, it would seem that your first and third reasons are reason enough to think that Bush did the right thing for the wrong reason in vetoing the stem cell funding bill.

As for the second, I am content to leave that issue to medicine to decide. Although I don&#039;t have the same ethical concerns that Michael Fumento does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>For a libertarian/classical liberal, or simply anyone who believes in limited government, it would seem that your first and third reasons are reason enough to think that Bush did the right thing for the wrong reason in vetoing the stem cell funding bill.</p>
<p>As for the second, I am content to leave that issue to medicine to decide. Although I don&#8217;t have the same ethical concerns that Michael Fumento does.</p>
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		<title>By: Wulf</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/23/stem-cells-and-liberty/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Wulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, to say that embryonic stem cells have no medical value is completely false.  The correct thing to say is that the value of embryonic stem cells is arguably marginal compared to adult stem cells.  Or better yet, say that embryonic stem cells happen to be the most versatile of all stem cells – and all stem cells are of great medical value.

Fumento sounds like a cheap hack with his Ken Lay cracks.  His direct comparison of ESC to ASC suffers either from ignorance of the chronological and financial research disparities, or from base dishonesty.  I’ll refrain from picking between the two and simply dismiss his comments.  He&#039;s wrong.

I have no problem at all with your argument that the US government should not be funding stem cell research of any kind.  Such funding is clearly beyond the scope of what libertarians see as a legitimate function of government.  I also have no problem with the argument that Bush’s veto is at odds with positions he has taken in the past.  His moral arguments are muddled on this issue (at best).  But the second of your arguments does not have legs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, to say that embryonic stem cells have no medical value is completely false.  The correct thing to say is that the value of embryonic stem cells is arguably marginal compared to adult stem cells.  Or better yet, say that embryonic stem cells happen to be the most versatile of all stem cells – and all stem cells are of great medical value.</p>
<p>Fumento sounds like a cheap hack with his Ken Lay cracks.  His direct comparison of ESC to ASC suffers either from ignorance of the chronological and financial research disparities, or from base dishonesty.  I’ll refrain from picking between the two and simply dismiss his comments.  He&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>I have no problem at all with your argument that the US government should not be funding stem cell research of any kind.  Such funding is clearly beyond the scope of what libertarians see as a legitimate function of government.  I also have no problem with the argument that Bush’s veto is at odds with positions he has taken in the past.  His moral arguments are muddled on this issue (at best).  But the second of your arguments does not have legs.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/23/stem-cells-and-liberty/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no faster way to lose an informed libertarian reader than to cite, directly or indirectly, to the Family Research Council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no faster way to lose an informed libertarian reader than to cite, directly or indirectly, to the Family Research Council.</p>
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