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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1981</link>
		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC &amp; Eric, maybe you kids should read Numbers 31 in your holy bible. Or read about the love the Christians spread around during the St Batholomew Massacre. And certainly the christian soldiers sent by God via Bush to Iraq are showing those people christian love and mercy. Give me an effing break about Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC &amp; Eric, maybe you kids should read Numbers 31 in your holy bible. Or read about the love the Christians spread around during the St Batholomew Massacre. And certainly the christian soldiers sent by God via Bush to Iraq are showing those people christian love and mercy. Give me an effing break about Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece of trivia Indian Cowboy. Aside from that, clearly cabbage don&#039;t get in airplanes, hijack them and fly them into buildings. Or strap explosives to themself and commit murderous suicide. Or take an AK-47 and kill people for being the wrong ethnic group and religion. So, while I find the risk that I will personally be injured or killed by an Islamic terrorist to be fairly low, it is not so low that I consider it to be equivalent to the risk posed to me by a cabbage. 

Of course, risk management and risk assessment is my business as a Security &amp; Privacy Officer and I suspect this gives me a better grasp of the likelihood of occurrence and level of impact of an attack by someone who is Muslim that involves me vs. the likelihood of occurrence of death or injury by cabbage. 

By the way, I had family within just a few blocks of the World Trade Center on 9/11 and didn&#039;t know for more than 12 hours if she was alive or dead. I&#039;ve already been impacted by Islamic terrorism on that day. I also had two friends die in Oklahoma City, one in Khobar Towers and an acquaintance injured in the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983. And I was injured during the first Gulf War. And my father happened to not be on an airplane that was hijacked by the PLO in 1971 by sheer fluke. Since he was an Army officer travelling on military orders in civilian clothing, the PLO would almost certainly have decided he was CIA and killed him. In fact, two other officers on that flight were killed by the PLO. 

While statistically unlikely, I have been directly  impacted by Islam and Islamic terrorism on 6 different occasions. That doesn&#039;t count another friend who was injured during the rescue attempt during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Islamic terrorists have been attacking, terrorizing and murdering Americans and Jews and anyone else they perceive as their enemy for decades with relative impunity. They have been at war with us for more than 30 years. 

Even a hard core capital L libertarian should be able to see that it&#039;s time, and more than time, to take action to prevent further attacks on our life, liberty and property. Of course, they will likely defend the behavior of the terrorists by blaming it on something or other, while continuing to blame anyone but the Islamic &quot;holy warriors&quot; who are so industriously trying to destroy Israel, wipe out the Jewish people and kill as many infidel Americans as they possibly can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece of trivia Indian Cowboy. Aside from that, clearly cabbage don&#8217;t get in airplanes, hijack them and fly them into buildings. Or strap explosives to themself and commit murderous suicide. Or take an AK-47 and kill people for being the wrong ethnic group and religion. So, while I find the risk that I will personally be injured or killed by an Islamic terrorist to be fairly low, it is not so low that I consider it to be equivalent to the risk posed to me by a cabbage. </p>
<p>Of course, risk management and risk assessment is my business as a Security &amp; Privacy Officer and I suspect this gives me a better grasp of the likelihood of occurrence and level of impact of an attack by someone who is Muslim that involves me vs. the likelihood of occurrence of death or injury by cabbage. </p>
<p>By the way, I had family within just a few blocks of the World Trade Center on 9/11 and didn&#8217;t know for more than 12 hours if she was alive or dead. I&#8217;ve already been impacted by Islamic terrorism on that day. I also had two friends die in Oklahoma City, one in Khobar Towers and an acquaintance injured in the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983. And I was injured during the first Gulf War. And my father happened to not be on an airplane that was hijacked by the PLO in 1971 by sheer fluke. Since he was an Army officer travelling on military orders in civilian clothing, the PLO would almost certainly have decided he was CIA and killed him. In fact, two other officers on that flight were killed by the PLO. </p>
<p>While statistically unlikely, I have been directly  impacted by Islam and Islamic terrorism on 6 different occasions. That doesn&#8217;t count another friend who was injured during the rescue attempt during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Islamic terrorists have been attacking, terrorizing and murdering Americans and Jews and anyone else they perceive as their enemy for decades with relative impunity. They have been at war with us for more than 30 years. </p>
<p>Even a hard core capital L libertarian should be able to see that it&#8217;s time, and more than time, to take action to prevent further attacks on our life, liberty and property. Of course, they will likely defend the behavior of the terrorists by blaming it on something or other, while continuing to blame anyone but the Islamic &#8220;holy warriors&#8221; who are so industriously trying to destroy Israel, wipe out the Jewish people and kill as many infidel Americans as they possibly can.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianCowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1880</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, cabbage killed quite a few members of American bombing crews in WW2.  The gas in their intestines would expand when they reached altitude and pop goes their innards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, cabbage killed quite a few members of American bombing crews in WW2.  The gas in their intestines would expand when they reached altitude and pop goes their innards.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianCowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1879</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Head in the sand, John, head in the sand.

The difference between muslims and christians is that Jesus himself wasn&#039;t a terrorist.  Whereas Mohammed was.

The bible cautions one to be wary of false prophets.  Being an agnostic hindu, the bible isn&#039;t the basis of my ideology, but also as an agnostic hindu I was taught to seek knowledge wherever it springs from.  And mohammed is the very definition of a false prophet.  Begin a camel-herder, die the founder of an empire with many female sex slaves.

There are two mohammeds.  there was the idealistic mohammed who initially preached a faith that is quite beautiful.  He was turned away from the christians and jews who he saw as his abrahamic brothers.  He grew bitter and took up arms against them.  And he sullied the otherwise beautiful philosophy of Islam with politically-corrupted filth.

Until Islam is able to separate the two Mohammeds--and the two Qurans--Islam will continue to be a threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Head in the sand, John, head in the sand.</p>
<p>The difference between muslims and christians is that Jesus himself wasn&#8217;t a terrorist.  Whereas Mohammed was.</p>
<p>The bible cautions one to be wary of false prophets.  Being an agnostic hindu, the bible isn&#8217;t the basis of my ideology, but also as an agnostic hindu I was taught to seek knowledge wherever it springs from.  And mohammed is the very definition of a false prophet.  Begin a camel-herder, die the founder of an empire with many female sex slaves.</p>
<p>There are two mohammeds.  there was the idealistic mohammed who initially preached a faith that is quite beautiful.  He was turned away from the christians and jews who he saw as his abrahamic brothers.  He grew bitter and took up arms against them.  And he sullied the otherwise beautiful philosophy of Islam with politically-corrupted filth.</p>
<p>Until Islam is able to separate the two Mohammeds&#8211;and the two Qurans&#8211;Islam will continue to be a threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must be some deadly cabbage in your neck of the woods.</description>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps muslims do wear a black hat, but christians haven&#039;t had a history of being the good guys. How many innocent people has the Catholic church killed, christian missionaries in foreign lands? How many witches roasted on a stake, how many black churchs, synagogues, mosques  have been destroyed by christians? Wasn&#039;t it Bush&#039;s God who told him to attack Iraq, a country that had done us no harm? Sorry, I feel no more threatened by muslims than I do by a cabbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps muslims do wear a black hat, but christians haven&#8217;t had a history of being the good guys. How many innocent people has the Catholic church killed, christian missionaries in foreign lands? How many witches roasted on a stake, how many black churchs, synagogues, mosques  have been destroyed by christians? Wasn&#8217;t it Bush&#8217;s God who told him to attack Iraq, a country that had done us no harm? Sorry, I feel no more threatened by muslims than I do by a cabbage.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianCowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, sure they fight amongst themselves.  Your point?  In the end they all want to institute Sharia.  In the end far too many of them view the west as their enemy.  In the end, a sizeable proportion of the &#039;peaceful majority&#039; of Muslims, while not participating directly in terror, either condone or excuse it.

I draw my conclusions not from innate hick prejudice but from having the good fortune to live in a few different countries, in a few different muslim neighborhoods.

Every muslim immigrant population in every part of the world has advocated, condoned or actively participated in terror against non-muslims.

It isn&#039;t Islam against the West.  They&#039;ve killed over 2000 women, children, and monks for the audacity to practice Hinduism and Buddhism in traditionally hindu/buddhist parts of the world.  They&#039;ve sown the seeds of terror in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, and in North America.

How long will it be until people recognize this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, sure they fight amongst themselves.  Your point?  In the end they all want to institute Sharia.  In the end far too many of them view the west as their enemy.  In the end, a sizeable proportion of the &#8216;peaceful majority&#8217; of Muslims, while not participating directly in terror, either condone or excuse it.</p>
<p>I draw my conclusions not from innate hick prejudice but from having the good fortune to live in a few different countries, in a few different muslim neighborhoods.</p>
<p>Every muslim immigrant population in every part of the world has advocated, condoned or actively participated in terror against non-muslims.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t Islam against the West.  They&#8217;ve killed over 2000 women, children, and monks for the audacity to practice Hinduism and Buddhism in traditionally hindu/buddhist parts of the world.  They&#8217;ve sown the seeds of terror in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, and in North America.</p>
<p>How long will it be until people recognize this?</p>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 05:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indiancowboy said:
There is one single nation of Islam. 

I really can&#039;t agree with that. Why are the different factions of Islam killing each other in Iraq? Christianity is no different. For how many years did Catholics and Protestants kill each other in Ireland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indiancowboy said:<br />
There is one single nation of Islam. </p>
<p>I really can&#8217;t agree with that. Why are the different factions of Islam killing each other in Iraq? Christianity is no different. For how many years did Catholics and Protestants kill each other in Ireland?</p>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 05:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, if there is going to be a battleground that American troops are going to be fighting on, I believe that battleground should be on our soil. The moment we send troops to foreign lands we are engaged in entangling alliances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, if there is going to be a battleground that American troops are going to be fighting on, I believe that battleground should be on our soil. The moment we send troops to foreign lands we are engaged in entangling alliances.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianCowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/07/25/are-we-too-nice-to-win/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where does this idea of 98lb weakling countries come from?  There is one single nation of Islam.  Iran, the PLO and others have made that quite clear.  Israel isn&#039;t fighting Hezbollah, they&#039;re fighting every Islamic Nation.

And if you want to keep your head in the sand about &#039;most Muslims&#039; please be my guest.  But it&#039;s funny what surveys actually show.  And what some time in immigrant communities such as Dearborn or various parts of London would reveal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where does this idea of 98lb weakling countries come from?  There is one single nation of Islam.  Iran, the PLO and others have made that quite clear.  Israel isn&#8217;t fighting Hezbollah, they&#8217;re fighting every Islamic Nation.</p>
<p>And if you want to keep your head in the sand about &#8216;most Muslims&#8217; please be my guest.  But it&#8217;s funny what surveys actually show.  And what some time in immigrant communities such as Dearborn or various parts of London would reveal</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

We obviously disagree. 

I would rather see radical Islam defeated on a battleground in Arabia than having to worry about fighting on a battleground in Europe.

And I don&#039;t see this as a matter of alliances that entangle us, I see it as a matter of national interest and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>We obviously disagree. </p>
<p>I would rather see radical Islam defeated on a battleground in Arabia than having to worry about fighting on a battleground in Europe.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see this as a matter of alliances that entangle us, I see it as a matter of national interest and security.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel&#8217;s Foreign Minister Has The Right Idea at 4thelittleguy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel&#8217;s Foreign Minister Has The Right Idea at 4thelittleguy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Liberty Papers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I believe a solid and factual case could be made that &#039;entangling alliances&#039; were the &#039;root cause&#039; of 9/11. But, that aside, it seems you are confusing non-aggression principles with pacifism.
Personally, I don&#039;t know one person that would not willingly give their life to defend this country against an invasion by a foreign force. However, I have no desire or see a need to have US troops invading and occupying 98 lb weakling countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I believe a solid and factual case could be made that &#8216;entangling alliances&#8217; were the &#8216;root cause&#8217; of 9/11. But, that aside, it seems you are confusing non-aggression principles with pacifism.<br />
Personally, I don&#8217;t know one person that would not willingly give their life to defend this country against an invasion by a foreign force. However, I have no desire or see a need to have US troops invading and occupying 98 lb weakling countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re not talking about &quot;entaggeling alliances&quot;, we&#039;re talking about survivial. If President Washington had lived to see a crowning achievement of American engineering destroyed in the space of two hours, I doubt he would have favored pacifism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;entaggeling alliances&#8221;, we&#8217;re talking about survivial. If President Washington had lived to see a crowning achievement of American engineering destroyed in the space of two hours, I doubt he would have favored pacifism.</p>
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		<title>By: John Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone read George Washington&#039;s Farewell Address? Maybe it&#039;s time to reread that instructive piece on how to run a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone read George Washington&#8217;s Farewell Address? Maybe it&#8217;s time to reread that instructive piece on how to run a country.</p>
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