You want to fix immigration? First, rid yourself of socialism and recognize that economics is not a zero sum game. Don’t listen to the socialists or the conservatives. The socialists believe in a zero sum game that must be distributed fairly. The conservatives believe in a zero sum game that some people will get more of than others. Both are wrong, of course. Just ask Adam Smith. Or Uncle Milt.

That doesn’t seem to be the effect in the current system.

When the same worker has no desire to assimilate, pay taxes, or share the burden for services (healthcare, education, police), that is what I call the subculture. That is the group I call beggars.

No sensible person wants to continue the tyrannical rule of dictators and despots who ride the backs of their people. At the same time, the US cannot militarily impose our value system upon Mexico or any other country. We must do so economically… sometimes slowly and judiciously. We cannot accomplish the end of tyranny by simply opening the borders. A real trading partner, one that shares a symbiotic relationship is better.

As Walter Williams would probably respond, people arriving with their hands out is not a problem of immigration, “that’s a problem of socialism”. As someone who routinely sees large amounts of money disappear from my paycheck, I’m not happy to see more people coming here to demand more of what I earn.

I’ll agree with that point. Socialism, particularly in a rich country, is mutually exclusive with a policy of unrestricted immigration. If we cave in to people (either foreign or domestic, actually) with their hand out, without any limits, we’ll quickly bankrupt ourselves by starving the economy of much-needed capital to expand. I.e. Russia, Cuba, North Korea, etc.

But where I break with you is on the employment side. If someone wants to come to the United States and apply for a job, that doesn’t take money out of my pocket to feed them. It may mean I have stiffer competition to find work for myself, but it’s simply allowing another person the exact same liberties I have (whereas socialism is allowing other people to steal from me, giving them special benefits and myself special costs). The liberty to travel and work are rights that I refuse to restrict only to US citizens.

I agree that the Rights of Man and Common Sense are valid documents prescribing the desired human condition. I also agree that “they believed these rights to be inherent in all of humanity.”

However, I do not agree that any one set of people who are governed and taxed and regulated should bear the costs of providing governance, services and regulation for others “stuck in horrible third-world countries.” Every condition of America’s stength in economy is based upon market conditions either allowed or imposed by our government. Our government is unique because of our love of liberty. Our place in the world economy is not enhanced by giving away the store whenever beggars appear at the door.

They believed these rights to be inherent in all of humanity. And initially the doors were open to all who would abide by the laws, customs and conditions imposed by our lawful government. Nothing was immediate and nothing was easily derived.

Appear at the door with hands out, insisting on education and healthcare and access to all that others have achieved and pay for. Immigration is not the focus of complaint. Illegal subcultures existing on the backs of others is the point.

In Europe I see open borders, free trade and many people publicly singing Kumbaya. I do not see nations capable of defending their own cultures, economies or borders. Socialism is engrained.

Protectionism as applied to bolster US business (not hand-outs or corporate welfare) is something I do support. Economic welfare of America’s middle class is worth defending – else we develop a “trade union economy” similar to the EU.

Protecting and defending the US Constitution, America’s borders, America’s business and American workers is a worthy cause. Opening borders to welcome massive populations that will drain resources and further inhibit America’s middle class is not. Allowing offshore business offices to avoid paying US taxation also not a worthy condition.

Any person or business entity taking advantage of services, conditions, defense and liberty provided by the United States can, should and must adhere to an America-First principle. Failing that, I see encroaching socialism…. the stuff that NAFTA, CAFTA,open borders and Kumbaya are made of.

Thanks for allowing me to explain, defend my position and vent.

I think it would be beneficial to combine Canada’s resources, American capital, and Mexico’s potential into a super alliance to take on Europe.

Or am I being just a bit idealistic?