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	<title>Comments on: Stuck in Iraq Longer Than WWII?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/11/27/stuck-in-iraq-longer-than-wwii/#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are missing the main point that should be stressed, which the main stream media either is too stupid to know or doesn&#039;t want to mention.

After WWII we did occupy both Germany and Japan. There was a concerted effort at an insurgency in Germany. However, it never got off the ground for several reasons. 

1. We kept about 300,000 troops in Germany and declared martial law. This kept peace and squelched any major resistance while the country rebuilt and establish the new government and security forces.
2. We also rebuilt the economy and infrastructure to some degree of self sufficiency.
3. We didn&#039;t leave till the basic foundations of government, security, and economy were up and running.

When you depose of the government and infrastructure you are left with a power vacuum. If that’s not replaced with something comparable then you have chaos, as in Iraq. If we followed a model similar to Germany or Japan after WWII and yes, left at least 300,000 troops in there to administer marshal law while will rebuild the infrastructure then it would and still could work. And no, the armed forces are not stretched too thin. Yes, it would be tough, but very doable in the sort term; 3-5 years as in Germany. US armed force total call up of regular forces and reserves is about 1.2 million... If we had left 3 or 4 hundred thousand troops in Iraq from the beginning secured control and secured the borders from interference from Iran and Syria, we actual be starting to bring them home NOW for good!

We, as a country, have become spoiled, lazy, and complacent. Expecting instant gratification from anything we do. (Just like the later Roman Empire)
We only look at the short term results and not long term consequences....

Rumsfeld should have been fired 3 years ago, as soon as things began to go wrong. It was a gamble to think that the Iraqis would step up like we hoped.They are more loyal to their religion than their country. What we have now in Iraq is our own fault for trying to do things on the cheap and be TOO nice...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing the main point that should be stressed, which the main stream media either is too stupid to know or doesn&#8217;t want to mention.</p>
<p>After WWII we did occupy both Germany and Japan. There was a concerted effort at an insurgency in Germany. However, it never got off the ground for several reasons. </p>
<p>1. We kept about 300,000 troops in Germany and declared martial law. This kept peace and squelched any major resistance while the country rebuilt and establish the new government and security forces.<br />
2. We also rebuilt the economy and infrastructure to some degree of self sufficiency.<br />
3. We didn&#8217;t leave till the basic foundations of government, security, and economy were up and running.</p>
<p>When you depose of the government and infrastructure you are left with a power vacuum. If that’s not replaced with something comparable then you have chaos, as in Iraq. If we followed a model similar to Germany or Japan after WWII and yes, left at least 300,000 troops in there to administer marshal law while will rebuild the infrastructure then it would and still could work. And no, the armed forces are not stretched too thin. Yes, it would be tough, but very doable in the sort term; 3-5 years as in Germany. US armed force total call up of regular forces and reserves is about 1.2 million&#8230; If we had left 3 or 4 hundred thousand troops in Iraq from the beginning secured control and secured the borders from interference from Iran and Syria, we actual be starting to bring them home NOW for good!</p>
<p>We, as a country, have become spoiled, lazy, and complacent. Expecting instant gratification from anything we do. (Just like the later Roman Empire)<br />
We only look at the short term results and not long term consequences&#8230;.</p>
<p>Rumsfeld should have been fired 3 years ago, as soon as things began to go wrong. It was a gamble to think that the Iraqis would step up like we hoped.They are more loyal to their religion than their country. What we have now in Iraq is our own fault for trying to do things on the cheap and be TOO nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comparing Iraq And World War II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comparing Iraq And World War II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/11/27/stuck-in-iraq-longer-than-wwii/#comment-3619</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Germany is portrayed as a wonderful, humanitarian thing where, as soon as Hitler was dead, everything was sweetness and light. There were still hold outs, Germany was &quot;de-nazified&quot;, significant crime occurred, etc. The country was split into four occupation zones, French, British, US and USSR. East Germany was the former USSR occupation zone. The country was under a military dictatorship from 1945 to 1949. In 1949 the US, Britain and France began transitioning their occupation zones to autonomous government, which ultimately became West Germany. 

Ultimately, West Germany didn&#039;t disintegrate into insurgency because we could focus them on the USSR. But, it could have easily gone that way once they started to recover. The biggest difference was that the infrastructure of Germany was destroyed and the people pretty well defeated. We did NOT do that to Iraq, nor do they have an external enemy to focus on that the US can help them against. Well, they do, but we haven&#039;t played it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany is portrayed as a wonderful, humanitarian thing where, as soon as Hitler was dead, everything was sweetness and light. There were still hold outs, Germany was &#8220;de-nazified&#8221;, significant crime occurred, etc. The country was split into four occupation zones, French, British, US and USSR. East Germany was the former USSR occupation zone. The country was under a military dictatorship from 1945 to 1949. In 1949 the US, Britain and France began transitioning their occupation zones to autonomous government, which ultimately became West Germany. </p>
<p>Ultimately, West Germany didn&#8217;t disintegrate into insurgency because we could focus them on the USSR. But, it could have easily gone that way once they started to recover. The biggest difference was that the infrastructure of Germany was destroyed and the people pretty well defeated. We did NOT do that to Iraq, nor do they have an external enemy to focus on that the US can help them against. Well, they do, but we haven&#8217;t played it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You didn&#039;t have the same amount of troupes committed to Germany or Japan as during the war. I was under the impression we stayed in Germany more for humanitarian reasons than as an occupier as in Japan, which was a condition of Japan&#039;s surrender. If we were going to do any comparison; I would say us going into Iraq is what General MacArthur wanted to do, continuing the fight(Korea) into China.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t have the same amount of troupes committed to Germany or Japan as during the war. I was under the impression we stayed in Germany more for humanitarian reasons than as an occupier as in Japan, which was a condition of Japan&#8217;s surrender. If we were going to do any comparison; I would say us going into Iraq is what General MacArthur wanted to do, continuing the fight(Korea) into China.</p>
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