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	<title>Comments on: The Congruence of Rights and Utility</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/12/23/the-congruence-of-rights-and-utility/#comment-4968</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;But a utilitarian has no reason to see them as being immoral.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That’s the crux of the issue.  A hard-core utilitarian has already decided that coercion is a legitimate tool to fix various perceived problems.  What he fails to realize, though, is the inconsistency of his position: that coercion is fine as long as long as a desired end is achieved, but he will cry foul when &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; is the one being coerced to satisfy a different conception of morality than his.  For instance, when the Taliban uses coercion to enforce “piety”, the leftist utilitarian suddenly discovers that it actually &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; immoral to use force (or the threat of force) to institutionalize a narrow strain of morality.  This works for the right-wing religious zealot as well.

While true believers may be all but a lost cause, one hopes that average, middle-of-the-road folks who are naturally predisposed to either “social justice” or “tradition moral values” can eventually be persuaded by the value of logical consistency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But a utilitarian has no reason to see them as being immoral.</p></blockquote>
<p>That’s the crux of the issue.  A hard-core utilitarian has already decided that coercion is a legitimate tool to fix various perceived problems.  What he fails to realize, though, is the inconsistency of his position: that coercion is fine as long as long as a desired end is achieved, but he will cry foul when <i>he</i> is the one being coerced to satisfy a different conception of morality than his.  For instance, when the Taliban uses coercion to enforce “piety”, the leftist utilitarian suddenly discovers that it actually <i>is</i> immoral to use force (or the threat of force) to institutionalize a narrow strain of morality.  This works for the right-wing religious zealot as well.</p>
<p>While true believers may be all but a lost cause, one hopes that average, middle-of-the-road folks who are naturally predisposed to either “social justice” or “tradition moral values” can eventually be persuaded by the value of logical consistency.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Giving leftists the benefit of the doubt ... it seems that their ultimate goal really is “the greatest happiness to the greatest number”; but the means that they prefer not only have failed—and are failing—miserably, those means (coercion, confiscatory taxation, etc.) are intrinsically immoral.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is what I was talking about in regards to utilitarianism &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/12/20/libertarianism-and-utilitarianism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the other day&lt;/a&gt;.  To a utilitarian leftist, coercion and confiscatory taxation are not immoral if they achieve the ultimate goal, being the greatest good to the greatest number.

You&#039;re entirely right that these methods don&#039;t work, and won&#039;t work, given human behavior and the incentives these methods create.  But a utilitarian has no reason to see them as being immoral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Giving leftists the benefit of the doubt &#8230; it seems that their ultimate goal really is “the greatest happiness to the greatest number”; but the means that they prefer not only have failed—and are failing—miserably, those means (coercion, confiscatory taxation, etc.) are intrinsically immoral.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is what I was talking about in regards to utilitarianism <a href="http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/12/20/libertarianism-and-utilitarianism/" rel="nofollow">the other day</a>.  To a utilitarian leftist, coercion and confiscatory taxation are not immoral if they achieve the ultimate goal, being the greatest good to the greatest number.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re entirely right that these methods don&#8217;t work, and won&#8217;t work, given human behavior and the incentives these methods create.  But a utilitarian has no reason to see them as being immoral.</p>
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