Comments on: George Bush Ignores The Constitution http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6327 Kevin Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:08:38 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6327 <blockquote><i>Aside from an its obvious defect of being a law likely to be overturned by the Supremes, why isn’t anybody (including Ted Kennedy) talking about the War Powers Act? If Congress is really serious about a “redeployment,” why not invoke the War Powers Act and bring the troops home in 90 days?</i></blockquote> Because they don't want to be seen as "anti-military" and "anti-American" for starters.

Aside from an its obvious defect of being a law likely to be overturned by the Supremes, why isn’t anybody (including Ted Kennedy) talking about the War Powers Act? If Congress is really serious about a “redeployment,” why not invoke the War Powers Act and bring the troops home in 90 days?

Because they don’t want to be seen as “anti-military” and “anti-American” for starters.

]]> By: A Waco Farmer http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6326 A Waco Farmer Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:54:54 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6326 Aside from an its obvious defect of being a law likely to be overturned by the Supremes, why isn't anybody (including Ted Kennedy) talking about the War Powers Act? If Congress is really serious about a "redeployment," why not invoke the War Powers Act and bring the troops home in 90 days? Aside from an its obvious defect of being a law likely to be overturned by the Supremes, why isn’t anybody (including Ted Kennedy) talking about the War Powers Act? If Congress is really serious about a “redeployment,” why not invoke the War Powers Act and bring the troops home in 90 days?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6313 Kevin Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:29:40 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6313 Romeo13, <blockquote><i>They do NOT have the authority to DECLARE an armistance, or make PEACE. That is the province of the State Department, part of the Executive Branch, who would conclude a treaty, which would then be ratified by the Congress.</i></blockquote> But they can refuse to fund a war and the Executive Branch would have no choice but to seek peace. Romeo13,

They do NOT have the authority to DECLARE an armistance, or make PEACE. That is the province of the State Department, part of the Executive Branch, who would conclude a treaty, which would then be ratified by the Congress.

But they can refuse to fund a war and the Executive Branch would have no choice but to seek peace.

]]> By: JoJoJams http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6312 JoJoJams Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:10:21 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6312 Umm, slick?? actually, we are already in a war that congress has authorized. And as commander in chief, Bush is executing that war. (How well or not is a whole different debate) All that he is doing is bringing in additional, needed, troops - which a commander in chief has every constitutional right to do. Now, congress has the authority to cut off the funding for it....that's part of their constitutional right/duty - like how we lost/ran from Vietnam. Rest assured...if they cut off the funding this time, too, there will also be another bloodbath we leave behind - Call it a "cultural" thing, but if we run, it will happen. -- and we will never be trusted again by those that are for Liberty and Freedom in the Arab world - or anywhere else despots rule, for that matter.... Umm, slick?? actually, we are already in a war that congress has authorized. And as commander in chief, Bush is executing that war. (How well or not is a whole different debate) All that he is doing is bringing in additional, needed, troops – which a commander in chief has every constitutional right to do. Now, congress has the authority to cut off the funding for it….that’s part of their constitutional right/duty – like how we lost/ran from Vietnam. Rest assured…if they cut off the funding this time, too, there will also be another bloodbath we leave behind – Call it a “cultural” thing, but if we run, it will happen. — and we will never be trusted again by those that are for Liberty and Freedom in the Arab world – or anywhere else despots rule, for that matter….

]]> By: Romeo13 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6310 Romeo13 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:31 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6310 "To Declare War"... Congress has the ability and authority to DECLARE war, which they did (or at least under their own stupid War Powers Act gave him the authority to invade). They do NOT have the authority to DECLARE an armistance, or make PEACE. That is the province of the State Department, part of the Executive Branch, who would conclude a treaty, which would then be ratified by the Congress. Sorry, you understanding of the Constitution, and history, seems limited. “To Declare War”…

Congress has the ability and authority to DECLARE war, which they did (or at least under their own stupid War Powers Act gave him the authority to invade).

They do NOT have the authority to DECLARE an armistance, or make PEACE. That is the province of the State Department, part of the Executive Branch, who would conclude a treaty, which would then be ratified by the Congress.

Sorry, you understanding of the Constitution, and history, seems limited.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6305 Kevin Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:32 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6305 Doug, The Constitution is on Bush's side vis a vis the surge. Congress can declare war and can fund the war. However, the conduct and strategy of the war is up to the president. The "surge" is a strategy of the president to a war that Congress has already approved (whether or not the approval of the Iraq War is legal is another issue). Congress has no authority to deny funding for the "surge" or to tie funding to it. That would be Congress trying to dictate strategy, which they cannot do under the Constitution. However, what they can do is cut off funding for the entire Iraq War and there is nothing Bush can do about it. Doug,

The Constitution is on Bush’s side vis a vis the surge. Congress can declare war and can fund the war. However, the conduct and strategy of the war is up to the president. The “surge” is a strategy of the president to a war that Congress has already approved (whether or not the approval of the Iraq War is legal is another issue).

Congress has no authority to deny funding for the “surge” or to tie funding to it. That would be Congress trying to dictate strategy, which they cannot do under the Constitution. However, what they can do is cut off funding for the entire Iraq War and there is nothing Bush can do about it.

]]> By: Stevend http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6302 Stevend Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:44 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6302 Never, Never, Never Surrender. Never, Never, Never Surrender.

]]> By: gregdn http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6301 gregdn Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:06:25 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6301 Phil: I personally think the whole 'let's fight 'em there so we don't have to fight them here' thing is hogwash. Terrorists will try to slip in this country no matter what happens in Iraq. We need better border security to prevent that. I do hope the 'surge' works but if, after 6 mos. violence isn't down in Baghdad I think we should pull the plug. Phil: I personally think the whole ‘let’s fight ‘em there so we don’t have to fight them here’ thing is hogwash.
Terrorists will try to slip in this country no matter what happens in Iraq. We need better border security to prevent that.
I do hope the ‘surge’ works but if, after 6 mos. violence isn’t down in Baghdad I think we should pull the plug.

]]> By: Phil Dillon http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6299 Phil Dillon Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:41:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6299 What folks seem to be forgetting is that the House and Senate both authorized the use of military force by overwhelming margins. It's really easy now to say "get out." Things are going badly in Iraq. Who among us doesn't want to leave. It's a great temptation. I wonder where some of critics would have been back in 1864 when things were going badly for the Union in our Civil War. My guess is they'd have probably been in the majority, characterizing Lincoln as a monkey and calling for a settlement with the confederacy. I also wonder where this might put us today. It could be that we wouldn't be celebrating Martin Luther King and his legacy of civil rights. It could be that involuntary servitude would still be the law of the land in some parts of this country. We may even have wound up with two countries. Yeah, it is easy. Just flow with the tide of unpopularity, like chaff in the wind. Pretend that you're constitutional experts while you're not much more than outhouse lawyers. There's one other thing I'm wondering about. What do you propose we do when we fail in Iraq and the wolf of international terrorism comes to our shores in iderations far more deadly than 9-11? Or, do you propose we covene a consortium of outhouse lawyers to solve the problem? What folks seem to be forgetting is that the House and Senate both authorized the use of military force by overwhelming margins.

It’s really easy now to say “get out.” Things are going badly in Iraq. Who among us doesn’t want to leave. It’s a great temptation.

I wonder where some of critics would have been back in 1864 when things were going badly for the Union in our Civil War. My guess is they’d have probably been in the majority, characterizing Lincoln as a monkey and calling for a settlement with the confederacy.

I also wonder where this might put us today. It could be that we wouldn’t be celebrating Martin Luther King and his legacy of civil rights. It could be that involuntary servitude would still be the law of the land in some parts of this country. We may even have wound up with two countries.

Yeah, it is easy. Just flow with the tide of unpopularity, like chaff in the wind. Pretend that you’re constitutional experts while you’re not much more than outhouse lawyers.

There’s one other thing I’m wondering about. What do you propose we do when we fail in Iraq and the wolf of international terrorism comes to our shores in iderations far more deadly than 9-11? Or, do you propose we covene a consortium of outhouse lawyers to solve the problem?

]]> By: Vlatro http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6290 Vlatro Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:55:41 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6290 I personally support the war in Iraq. More troops are in fact needed. That does not however give the president the power to make that happen. There are many convincing arguments for the war and I believe congress would grant a request for additional forces. Even strong opponents of the war have supported the deployment of additional troops. Sadly, in our political system, the idea of war is supported or rejected by many without regard to the objective of that war. That objective is largely to uphold the integrity of this nation. I believe Bush is trying to do that from one perspective; He does not want to leave the job unfinished. He's right in that regard. However, too much of his time and effort are spent trying to justify the war, rather than fight it. It's a little late in the game for justification, that needed to be done before any troops were deployed at all. A greater respect for due process could have helped him evade many of these problems and allow him to focus on his role as commander and chief. The job of justifying our nations actions would have fallen to Congress. 535 men and women from every part of the country and representing the wider spectrum of political affiliations would have greater merit and credibility than one man from one party. Bush could've been seen as the respectable leader, admired by his people. His haste has instead made him the subject of a political witch hunt, and we, the people are paying for it. I personally support the war in Iraq. More troops are in fact needed. That does not however give the president the power to make that happen. There are many convincing arguments for the war and I believe congress would grant a request for additional forces. Even strong opponents of the war have supported the deployment of additional troops. Sadly, in our political system, the idea of war is supported or rejected by many without regard to the objective of that war. That objective is largely to uphold the integrity of this nation. I believe Bush is trying to do that from one perspective; He does not want to leave the job unfinished. He’s right in that regard. However, too much of his time and effort are spent trying to justify the war, rather than fight it. It’s a little late in the game for justification, that needed to be done before any troops were deployed at all. A greater respect for due process could have helped him evade many of these problems and allow him to focus on his role as commander and chief. The job of justifying our nations actions would have fallen to Congress. 535 men and women from every part of the country and representing the wider spectrum of political affiliations would have greater merit and credibility than one man from one party. Bush could’ve been seen as the respectable leader, admired by his people. His haste has instead made him the subject of a political witch hunt, and we, the people are paying for it.

]]> By: Rue-Mur http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6276 Rue-Mur Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:22:54 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/15/george-bush-ignores-the-constitution/#comment-6276 Hey, Sport! Don't get too excited! Really! When you stop and think about it, Bush isn't even close to ol' Andy Jackson. Now that guy really knew how to twist Congress and the Constitution into knots. No, I personally think J.R.'s just getting a late start. He hasn't actually done anything since he won re-election two years ago. And since he only has less than two years left, I can't imagine he can really do too much harm to the Constitution. Not with all those "Wanna-Be-President" Senators out sound-biting all over the country and not earning their paychecks in the Senate. Not to worry! Thing's will be OK. PS: Wouldn't it be fantastic if he actually started acting like our Commander-in-Chief? Oh well, it doesn't hurt to dream. Right? Hey, Sport! Don’t get too excited! Really! When you stop and think about it, Bush isn’t even close to ol’ Andy Jackson. Now that guy really knew how to twist Congress and the Constitution into knots. No, I personally think J.R.’s just getting a late start. He hasn’t actually done anything since he won re-election two years ago. And since he only has less than two years left, I can’t imagine he can really do too much harm to the Constitution. Not with all those “Wanna-Be-President” Senators out sound-biting all over the country and not earning their paychecks in the Senate. Not to worry! Thing’s will be OK.
PS: Wouldn’t it be fantastic if he actually started acting like our Commander-in-Chief? Oh well, it doesn’t hurt to dream. Right?

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