If the Confederate flag disappeared tomorrow nothing would change. God bless you friend.

I think we can assume that you agree with the second proclamation, which exposes you for the complete farce that you really are.

Agreeing that a symbol of oppression and racism should be removed makes us a farce? Wow, glad to know that.

The US flag represented the words, The Declaration of Independence. If you read some of Dr. Kings fwritings you would know.

It seemed like it was a subversive thing to say about black people. I don’t hate, but get angry of
those trying to rehabilitate the South as a beacon of democracy and liberty.

Black people always had a white mask, so it would not be possible to know what one was feeling. Of course none has to believe me and your white version of history has to be right. So what dialog? I don’t argue, because it is useless. It is like trying to argue with a Christian that believes the world was made in six days, that evolution is a fact. I can only speak of my experience and since it doesn’t jive with some else’s perception, then my experience is not valid. I alway get a history lesson, too. I have heard this all before.
Also, when I make comments I don’t necessarily want to make an argument. I know this is mostly the nature of this blog.

I think we can assume that you agree with the second proclamation, which exposes you for the complete farce that you really are.

But as William Scott stated in his review of the Frank Conner book “The South Under Siege” , The New England Puritan was violent and of the mindset that: “We believe in the Universal brotherhood of mankind, and if you don’t agree we will kill you”.

Obviously it is not the mindset of the modern day Puritan Yankee to kill those who disagree with them. However; it is evident that the Purian Yankee still thinks that we are all one, and should think like him.

You may not believe me here but I understand your remarks. There’s so much hate out there. Don’t be a hater.

jowee
the stars and bars is not in question here the stars and bars refers to the first national confederate flag, which looked similar to the american flag. how can you even logically discuss something that you know nothing about, save for what you have heard second hand by other self confessed “experts”

everyone
Let this be known. I am a confederate southern nationalist. My country is the confederate states of America. I come from the state of georgia, which at the time of the peace treaty ending the american revolution was a recognized country preceding the U.S.A (as were ALL original thirteen colonies; the british crown signed the treaty to each state respectively as opposed to signing to one “united” country.) the south has , as early as the time of Washington, had differences with the north. your four years speech is irrelevant. North and south are two completely different cultures. the others and myself have tried top reason with ya’ll but unfortunately you are too federally brainwashed to want to learn any historical truth.

“What happened to that mammy relationship when the child became an adult.”

You need to read my post again to answer that question.

“The mammy being as much in the family as the family pet”

A childish analogy.

“What you all don’t get, is that how well one was treated didn’t change the fact the person is a slave or has been one.”

Really! Then why do I have a picture of five generations born and bred at Mosby Hall of which the originator was born a slave and the rest stayed with him? 1907……The same year as another picture I mentioned, if you bothered to digest it.

“I don’t why you are on this site, where discussing liberty is paramount.

An asinine question, since I am obviously defending my ancestors who have been here since 1709 and have fought in every war. By the way, I am a 100% service related disabled Vietnam veteran with eight years in-country. What have you done for this nation besides complaining?

“maybe if the South had won there would have been a slave revolt and we would not be having this conversation and your ancestors would not have survived.”

Slave revolt where? In the North where slavery was still legal until eight months after Lee’s surrender? It never happened in the South, though the EP was supposed to have prompted it.

I was hoping to reach a common ground debating you, but see that will not be the case. Ignorance is bliss.

There were many proponents of separate societies amongst whites and blacks which included going back to Africa. Some include Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, and the original Black Panther Party. Booker T Washington suggested a separate economic system for blacks. Jim Crow was an example of two peoples living together separately to maintain the peace. Indian Reservations by today’s standard could be considered a racist arrangement. There was an attempt to create a separate reservation for freed slaves in the form of 40 acres and a mule. The 40 acres was not scattered about, but concentrated to the extreme south east where the rice plantation existed. I believe the Federal Government feared losing control of the black opinion if it had happened and even a possible South/black allegiance.

You evidently grew up in a different part of the South than I. I was born in Raleigh and grew up in “Mosby Country,” Northern Virginia. Yes, the races were segregated, but there was never any hate that I ever saw between the two. My best friend as a child, Johnny, was black. I used to play with him most every afternoon. My only bad recollection was when I came home from school one day in the third grade and asked my mother what a “nigger” was. What came afterwards wasn’t pleasant. Needless to say, I got an answer to my question in more than one way! My great Aunt Dixie had a Mammy (1863) and I have a picture of them in 1907 when Aunt Dixie was 43. They are hugging. My mother was wet nursed by Aunt Emily whose many pictures I have. I also have an Aunt Dixie, and a Cousin Dixie, both black. My fifth daughter, 10, is also name Dixie. I could go on and on. What I am trying to put forth is that all race relations in the South were not like yours. Many were most loving. Just because some people used the Battle Flag badly does not mean all do. I honor it proudly for my many ancestors who fought and died in the WBTS for the same principles than my g,g,g grandfather did as an Ensign at the battle of Brandywine in the Revolution War. Don’t forget we broke from England, but still kept slavery. The New England slave ship merchants weren’t about to go against it, that is not until it wasn’t profitable anymore……

Brock

This flag issue is irrelevant to the problems we face today. Shouldn’t we be focused on corporate welfare, maintaining Afganistan’s eastern border, educating our children, SUVs, plasma TVs and such ?

Being born in Carolina, raised in Delaware, U.S.Army tours in Colorado, New York, New Jersey and Panama and 27 years of living in Maryland I can tell you … rednecks who wrap themselves in the Stars and Bars to make a racial statement are everywhere … but nowhere. Only those of us raised by the children of Confederate soldiers and were told of the atrocities committed on the poor, black AND white, NON-slave holders in the “re-constructed” South would understand.

I never really considered the ramifications of the Stars and Bars because my childhood friends, both black and white, and I were the same in Carolina … poor share croppers. I never heard the word nigger until I moved from Carolina to Delaware. I never flew or displayed that flag out of apathy. But now, now that the consensus is that the flag is wrong, that it stands for evil, that, as an American, I may not be allowed to display it in the near future … well you can kiss my red, white and blue butt … I’m gettin’ one tomorrow.

I am from the south too, and most every body in the south claims to be part native American.

If slavery was going to be soon ended without the proclamation, all I would see that the Jim Crow laws would have been passed earlier. Freeing slaves would not have given them full citizenship. It may have been expedient on Lincoln’s part, but as a black person I could care less about his motives.

I think now, we will hear arguments how unfree blacks fought in the civil war and that its their flag too. The South lost the War. It has no place to put symbols of failure along with the governments. It it similar to flying the Swasticka with the flag of Germany. Hitler co-opted the symbol and gave it new meaning and most of the world associates that symbol with the Nazi’s.

It seems now that the revisionist think they have found a home with conservatives and libertarians, with their states rights issue. Since the South lost, what is the point; unless it is to prove that slavery wasn’t brutal and the Civil War was honorable. Most people who the flag offends don’t really care about how honorable the Civil War was, when there is no honor in enslaving people and actively denying them their citizenship.

On thing I could not understand, was the hate I saw in this woman’s eyes and the crap that spewed from her mouth when a black child was being escorted into school. To me, that is the old South’s dignity.