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		<title>By: Will the future include mindless professors? : Welcome to Fuglyville</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-14615</link>
		<dc:creator>Will the future include mindless professors? : Welcome to Fuglyville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 05:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Liberty Papers added this: In Orwellian logic, the bill sponsor, Republican state Senator Thayor Verschoor had this: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Liberty Papers added this: In Orwellian logic, the bill sponsor, Republican state Senator Thayor Verschoor had this: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-13169</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no one on this site is a conservative, nor do we even claim to be conservative. If you think we are, or claim to be, you are mistaken.

By the way, regulating my private property when I am not harming anyone else is not necessarily socialist, but it definitely is authoritarian. Most so-called conservatives today are authoritarians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no one on this site is a conservative, nor do we even claim to be conservative. If you think we are, or claim to be, you are mistaken.</p>
<p>By the way, regulating my private property when I am not harming anyone else is not necessarily socialist, but it definitely is authoritarian. Most so-called conservatives today are authoritarians.</p>
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		<title>By: jwberrie</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-13037</link>
		<dc:creator>jwberrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many so-called conservatives think that any laws regulating the ownership of private property is socialism. Most people would not go nearly that far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many so-called conservatives think that any laws regulating the ownership of private property is socialism. Most people would not go nearly that far.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12983</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Socialist is not hard to define objectively jwberrie. Of course, most &quot;progressives&quot; prefer to pretend the term doesn&#039;t apply to them because socialism is a very discredited idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialist is not hard to define objectively jwberrie. Of course, most &#8220;progressives&#8221; prefer to pretend the term doesn&#8217;t apply to them because socialism is a very discredited idea.</p>
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		<title>By: jwberrie</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12970</link>
		<dc:creator>jwberrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason, maybe you get ridiculed and insulted in class because your opinions are laughable. Did any of your professors tell you they were socialists? If not, you might ask them if they are or not. Don&#039;t you think the term socialist is subject to a variety of interpretations? Or perhaps you reserve the term for those who ridicule you in class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, maybe you get ridiculed and insulted in class because your opinions are laughable. Did any of your professors tell you they were socialists? If not, you might ask them if they are or not. Don&#8217;t you think the term socialist is subject to a variety of interpretations? Or perhaps you reserve the term for those who ridicule you in class.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12961</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason,
Speak up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
Speak up!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12957</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I go to a very liberal university, and most of my political science professors are basically socialist in their political views, and don&#039;t show any restraint in letting the students know about.  I am personally sick of not being able to express my opinions or values in class for fear of being ridiculed and insulted.  However, I think this bill goes a little too far to prevent this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go to a very liberal university, and most of my political science professors are basically socialist in their political views, and don&#8217;t show any restraint in letting the students know about.  I am personally sick of not being able to express my opinions or values in class for fear of being ridiculed and insulted.  However, I think this bill goes a little too far to prevent this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12914</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, there should defnitely NOT be any political issue advocacy in a publicly fundided institutions classrooms under any circumstances.

Most especially, no student should ever feel that they need to agree with a professors politics to get a good grade; or to deny their own politics to avoid recieving a bad one; and I know personally of dozens, and anecdotally of hundreds of students who have had jsut that problem.

The classroom is no place for ideology, it is a place for fact and critical thinking. 

Now, if a private institution wishes to include ideology in their teaching, so be it, the student has made the market driven choice to pay for such ideological isntruction. Public universities on the other hand are largely paid for by the public; and thus should be entirely ideologically neutral.

No, a rofessor should not be forced to preach against their own politics; but neither should they be allowed to preach for them; IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES AS A PROFESSOR.

In any other circumstance, they can preach whatever they like...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there should defnitely NOT be any political issue advocacy in a publicly fundided institutions classrooms under any circumstances.</p>
<p>Most especially, no student should ever feel that they need to agree with a professors politics to get a good grade; or to deny their own politics to avoid recieving a bad one; and I know personally of dozens, and anecdotally of hundreds of students who have had jsut that problem.</p>
<p>The classroom is no place for ideology, it is a place for fact and critical thinking. </p>
<p>Now, if a private institution wishes to include ideology in their teaching, so be it, the student has made the market driven choice to pay for such ideological isntruction. Public universities on the other hand are largely paid for by the public; and thus should be entirely ideologically neutral.</p>
<p>No, a rofessor should not be forced to preach against their own politics; but neither should they be allowed to preach for them; IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES AS A PROFESSOR.</p>
<p>In any other circumstance, they can preach whatever they like&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12876</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

I would assume that the argument is that since the government is employing these people, that as their employer they should be allowed to set the terms of employment.

In my mind, government doesn&#039;t operate by the normal rules of competition.  I.e. government can largely out-compete private institutions by relying on coercive taxation, and thus we should hold government &quot;enterprises&quot; to a different standard when it comes to free speech/discrimination than we might hold a private institution.

However, even if the argument that the state, as employer, should set these rules, I still disagree with the rules, and would oppose them politically.  But therein lies the problem with putting these sorts of rules up to democratic processes.  I, for example, think that we should be fostering open debate on our college campuses, where many of the people who lambast universities for being left-wing indoctrination centers want them to be little more than advanced job-training facilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>I would assume that the argument is that since the government is employing these people, that as their employer they should be allowed to set the terms of employment.</p>
<p>In my mind, government doesn&#8217;t operate by the normal rules of competition.  I.e. government can largely out-compete private institutions by relying on coercive taxation, and thus we should hold government &#8220;enterprises&#8221; to a different standard when it comes to free speech/discrimination than we might hold a private institution.</p>
<p>However, even if the argument that the state, as employer, should set these rules, I still disagree with the rules, and would oppose them politically.  But therein lies the problem with putting these sorts of rules up to democratic processes.  I, for example, think that we should be fostering open debate on our college campuses, where many of the people who lambast universities for being left-wing indoctrination centers want them to be little more than advanced job-training facilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, 

Why shouldn&#039;t the First Amendment apply in the classroom as well ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, </p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t the First Amendment apply in the classroom as well ?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/muzzling-professors/#comment-12866</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hold on a second here...

Ok, if these restrictions apply in the classroom of a state university, then fine I have no problem with it.

If those restrictions are general however, that&#039;s another story entirely. That&#039;s unlawful restraint of a persons freedom of conscience, and their freedom of association.

The source article has no detail on this proposal, and I can&#039;t find the text online yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on a second here&#8230;</p>
<p>Ok, if these restrictions apply in the classroom of a state university, then fine I have no problem with it.</p>
<p>If those restrictions are general however, that&#8217;s another story entirely. That&#8217;s unlawful restraint of a persons freedom of conscience, and their freedom of association.</p>
<p>The source article has no detail on this proposal, and I can&#8217;t find the text online yet.</p>
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