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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-20115</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The â€œchickenhawkâ€ meme is simply absurd.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kevin,  I actually agree; for the most part, accusations of chickenhawkry are ridiculous.

On the other hand, when someone keeps calling me a coward, and begins to aggressively demand my enthusiastic suport for his colonial wars, the temptation to resort to such accusations can become quite overwhelming.

I&#039;ll try to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>The â€œchickenhawkâ€ meme is simply absurd.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Kevin,  I actually agree; for the most part, accusations of chickenhawkry are ridiculous.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when someone keeps calling me a coward, and begins to aggressively demand my enthusiastic suport for his colonial wars, the temptation to resort to such accusations can become quite overwhelming.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19869</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;While this may be rhetorically interesting, it isnâ€™t the basis for a rational discussion of U.S. foreign policy.

Iâ€™m beginning to think this particular conversation is over.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Eric is good entertainment value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<blockquote><p><i>While this may be rhetorically interesting, it isnâ€™t the basis for a rational discussion of U.S. foreign policy.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m beginning to think this particular conversation is over.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>But Eric is good entertainment value.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19868</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tarran

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hell, if you want to support the war on â€œIslamoFascismâ€, the U.S. government is suffering from a massive shortage of labor in its security apparatus. Iâ€™m sure you could fight your enemies more productively by re-enlisting than by noodling around on blogs.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So only teachers should have a say over education policy or only police should have a say over crime? The &quot;chickenhawk&quot; meme is simply absurd.

Seriously, would you want Eric having anything to do with the military :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarran</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Hell, if you want to support the war on â€œIslamoFascismâ€, the U.S. government is suffering from a massive shortage of labor in its security apparatus. Iâ€™m sure you could fight your enemies more productively by re-enlisting than by noodling around on blogs.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>So only teachers should have a say over education policy or only police should have a say over crime? The &#8220;chickenhawk&#8221; meme is simply absurd.</p>
<p>Seriously, would you want Eric having anything to do with the military :).</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19827</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

&lt;em&gt;You fucka with my country, we fucka with your country&lt;/em&gt;

While this may be rhetorically interesting, it isn&#039;t the basis for a rational discussion of U.S. foreign policy.

I&#039;m beginning to think this particular conversation is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p><em>You fucka with my country, we fucka with your country</em></p>
<p>While this may be rhetorically interesting, it isn&#8217;t the basis for a rational discussion of U.S. foreign policy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think this particular conversation is over.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19826</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, Eric, I feel the same way about your short, largely incoherent, childish tantrums. ;)

Have fun licking politicians&#039; boots, I understand access to the levers of power is quite the aphrodisiac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Eric, I feel the same way about your short, largely incoherent, childish tantrums. ;)</p>
<p>Have fun licking politicians&#8217; boots, I understand access to the levers of power is quite the aphrodisiac.</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19825</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bugs me is our government was sitting on its&#039; butt after several terrorist attacks doing nothing in the 90&#039;s. The attack on the USS Cole happened 11 months before 9/11 yet Bush and Clinton ignored it. Osama bin Laden declared war on the US in the late 90&#039;s and the government ignored it. We have plenty of reason to huntdown Salafis, cutting off their funds. Now the real irritating part is the government is supporting terrorist against the new bogey man, Iran. The Empire has a myopic vision when it comes to threats. We are battling Salafis in Iraq and the US government is allowing Saudis to fund these nuts against Iran. 

If the MS-13 can get inside the US through our open border so can Al Qaedia. It goes to show all the liberty squashing protections are to enslave the American people not to protect us. Counter Terrori$m is here to stay regardless of the threat because there is money in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bugs me is our government was sitting on its&#8217; butt after several terrorist attacks doing nothing in the 90&#8242;s. The attack on the USS Cole happened 11 months before 9/11 yet Bush and Clinton ignored it. Osama bin Laden declared war on the US in the late 90&#8242;s and the government ignored it. We have plenty of reason to huntdown Salafis, cutting off their funds. Now the real irritating part is the government is supporting terrorist against the new bogey man, Iran. The Empire has a myopic vision when it comes to threats. We are battling Salafis in Iraq and the US government is allowing Saudis to fund these nuts against Iran. </p>
<p>If the MS-13 can get inside the US through our open border so can Al Qaedia. It goes to show all the liberty squashing protections are to enslave the American people not to protect us. Counter Terrori$m is here to stay regardless of the threat because there is money in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19796</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And thus Tarran proves precisely why the Radical Libertarians never win.  They just keep spitting on our flag, spitting on America, banging away on their computer keyboards with their long-ass boring-ass diatribes that nobody has any time to read.

Tarran.  Evidence One as to why Radical Libertarians never succeed.  

You are a walking argument for Libertarians to stay, far, far away from you and your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thus Tarran proves precisely why the Radical Libertarians never win.  They just keep spitting on our flag, spitting on America, banging away on their computer keyboards with their long-ass boring-ass diatribes that nobody has any time to read.</p>
<p>Tarran.  Evidence One as to why Radical Libertarians never succeed.  </p>
<p>You are a walking argument for Libertarians to stay, far, far away from you and your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19792</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we need to kill 10 times more.

You fucka with my country, we fucka with your country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we need to kill 10 times more.</p>
<p>You fucka with my country, we fucka with your country</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19526</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, sweetie,

If the federal government hadn&#039;t been giving aid to the King of Saudi Arabia or the president for life of Egypt, then Al Queda would not have brought down the World Trade Center.

If the United States government hadn&#039;t forbidden U.S. citizens from carrying weapons an aircraft, then the hijackings would not have been attempted.

But that&#039;s all water pissed under the bridge. A gang sent some of its members on a suicide mission and knocked down a couple of skyscrapers causing billions of dollars&#039; damage and murdering 3,000 people.

Now, of course, it is hard to do anything about the murderers themselves: they all died with their victims. However, they had accessories.  So you go after them.  The U.S. government had a thread of SIGINT to begin pulling on.  Personally, if I were president, I would have given the Taliban the evidence we had of Al Queda&#039;s guilt.  Remember how they publicly demanded that evidence, and they promised to try him if it was sufficient?  Put them in the hot seat. Watch who travels where, who talks to whom in response. Do the standard things when trying to tease apoart a conspiracy.  Let them get complacent, sloppy. Let them think that they got away with it; it makes them complacent and lackadaisical about security.  

And, perhaps, if it was not possible to figure out who was responsible for the crime, yes, you move on.  If we had &quot;moved on&quot; the criminal mastermind might still be at large, and been widely viewed with contempt.  Our hamhanded actions have failed to capture the mastermind, and have strengthened support for him, his organization, and his tactics, his strategies and goals, and we have murdered tens of thousands of people to boot!  So, in the end, we&#039;re currently much worse off than if we ahd merely &quot;moved on&quot;!

Think about it!  The U.S. has now, in the war on terror, via &quot;collateral damage,&quot; killed far more innocent souls than were killed by Al Queada.

So somewhere in Afghanistan, somewhere in Iraq, Egypt, Turkmenistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, the Philipines, you&#039;ve got some angry guy screaming that they can not let the murders of the Americans go unpunished.  Some of them will act on their hatred and kill Americans, and then we kill a bunch of people in revenge, the cycle repeating indefinitely. Meantime, every war leads to a country that is less free, a larger military-industrial complex, more taxes and a tougher live to those who are not politically connected.

I have trouble believing you did anything much in the U.S. military: your claim that if Bush had been brave he would have immediately attacked Afghanistan exposes a complete lack of understanding of logistics and strategic planning.  Hell, even as a lowly Lieutenant working in the reactor rooms of an aircraft carrier I had  abetter idea how much planning an invasion requires.

I&#039;m still not sure how beating up people who burn a flag somehow protects anyone.  What, if they hate you more, they&#039;ll be less likely to commit an act of treason?   Hell, if you want to support the war on &quot;IslamoFascism&quot;, the U.S. government is suffering from a massive shortage of labor in its security apparatus.  I&#039;m sure you could fight your enemies more productively by re-enlisting than by noodling around on blogs.

Your diatribes in support of Giuliani and against Ron Paul have convinced me, though, that I should not support Ron Paul; anyone who would hire a flaming idiot like you and place you in a position of responsibility has to suffer from poor judgment.  The kind of poor judgment that leads to putting incompetent morons like Bernie Kerik in positions of responsibility.  Hmm... I wonder who lofted Bernie into the big-time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, sweetie,</p>
<p>If the federal government hadn&#8217;t been giving aid to the King of Saudi Arabia or the president for life of Egypt, then Al Queda would not have brought down the World Trade Center.</p>
<p>If the United States government hadn&#8217;t forbidden U.S. citizens from carrying weapons an aircraft, then the hijackings would not have been attempted.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s all water pissed under the bridge. A gang sent some of its members on a suicide mission and knocked down a couple of skyscrapers causing billions of dollars&#8217; damage and murdering 3,000 people.</p>
<p>Now, of course, it is hard to do anything about the murderers themselves: they all died with their victims. However, they had accessories.  So you go after them.  The U.S. government had a thread of SIGINT to begin pulling on.  Personally, if I were president, I would have given the Taliban the evidence we had of Al Queda&#8217;s guilt.  Remember how they publicly demanded that evidence, and they promised to try him if it was sufficient?  Put them in the hot seat. Watch who travels where, who talks to whom in response. Do the standard things when trying to tease apoart a conspiracy.  Let them get complacent, sloppy. Let them think that they got away with it; it makes them complacent and lackadaisical about security.  </p>
<p>And, perhaps, if it was not possible to figure out who was responsible for the crime, yes, you move on.  If we had &#8220;moved on&#8221; the criminal mastermind might still be at large, and been widely viewed with contempt.  Our hamhanded actions have failed to capture the mastermind, and have strengthened support for him, his organization, and his tactics, his strategies and goals, and we have murdered tens of thousands of people to boot!  So, in the end, we&#8217;re currently much worse off than if we ahd merely &#8220;moved on&#8221;!</p>
<p>Think about it!  The U.S. has now, in the war on terror, via &#8220;collateral damage,&#8221; killed far more innocent souls than were killed by Al Queada.</p>
<p>So somewhere in Afghanistan, somewhere in Iraq, Egypt, Turkmenistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, the Philipines, you&#8217;ve got some angry guy screaming that they can not let the murders of the Americans go unpunished.  Some of them will act on their hatred and kill Americans, and then we kill a bunch of people in revenge, the cycle repeating indefinitely. Meantime, every war leads to a country that is less free, a larger military-industrial complex, more taxes and a tougher live to those who are not politically connected.</p>
<p>I have trouble believing you did anything much in the U.S. military: your claim that if Bush had been brave he would have immediately attacked Afghanistan exposes a complete lack of understanding of logistics and strategic planning.  Hell, even as a lowly Lieutenant working in the reactor rooms of an aircraft carrier I had  abetter idea how much planning an invasion requires.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not sure how beating up people who burn a flag somehow protects anyone.  What, if they hate you more, they&#8217;ll be less likely to commit an act of treason?   Hell, if you want to support the war on &#8220;IslamoFascism&#8221;, the U.S. government is suffering from a massive shortage of labor in its security apparatus.  I&#8217;m sure you could fight your enemies more productively by re-enlisting than by noodling around on blogs.</p>
<p>Your diatribes in support of Giuliani and against Ron Paul have convinced me, though, that I should not support Ron Paul; anyone who would hire a flaming idiot like you and place you in a position of responsibility has to suffer from poor judgment.  The kind of poor judgment that leads to putting incompetent morons like Bernie Kerik in positions of responsibility.  Hmm&#8230; I wonder who lofted Bernie into the big-time?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tarran, what did you call 9/11 then?  Was that not an attack on our country?  Would you have just ignored it, and moved on?  No Military response?  

Doug: I&#039;m a Veteran, and damn Proud of it!  I&#039;ll do whatever it takes to defend my beloved United States of America.  I would GLADLY give my life for my country.  And if that means bashing a few heads of Leftist scumbag Flag burners, HELL YEAH! I&#039;m willing to spend 30 days in the County Jail for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tarran, what did you call 9/11 then?  Was that not an attack on our country?  Would you have just ignored it, and moved on?  No Military response?  </p>
<p>Doug: I&#8217;m a Veteran, and damn Proud of it!  I&#8217;ll do whatever it takes to defend my beloved United States of America.  I would GLADLY give my life for my country.  And if that means bashing a few heads of Leftist scumbag Flag burners, HELL YEAH! I&#8217;m willing to spend 30 days in the County Jail for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/09/why-rudy-giuliani-should-not-be-president/#comment-19073</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I&#039;m more intrigued by the fact that Eric apparently endorses the idea of assualting people exercising their Constitutional rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more intrigued by the fact that Eric apparently endorses the idea of assualting people exercising their Constitutional rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Kind of like that Louisiana law that states, that Burning the American Flag is completely legal in the State; However, Veterans and Active duty Military Personnel cannot be charged with assault for punching the living shit out of the Flag burners.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Eric, there is no law in Louisiana that says that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Kind of like that Louisiana law that states, that Burning the American Flag is completely legal in the State; However, Veterans and Active duty Military Personnel cannot be charged with assault for punching the living shit out of the Flag burners.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Eric, there is no law in Louisiana that says that.</p>
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		<title>By: Wild Pegasus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wild Pegasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Would you be more than happy to march every one of us off to the gulags for your precious &quot;national security&quot;?  Is there any freedom that you won&#039;t trample for its sake?

- Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Would you be more than happy to march every one of us off to the gulags for your precious &#8220;national security&#8221;?  Is there any freedom that you won&#8217;t trample for its sake?</p>
<p>- Josh</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

I want to pay for my defense, I don&#039;t want to pay for your offense.

You want to live off of my earnings and you call yourself a libertarian and me a free-loader? Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I want to pay for my defense, I don&#8217;t want to pay for your offense.</p>
<p>You want to live off of my earnings and you call yourself a libertarian and me a free-loader? Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong.  Dead wrong.  I&#039;m a big advocate of a tax write-off check-off box on our tax returns for those who do not wish to contribute to our country&#039;s National Defense.  

I&#039;m all in favor of you being able to opt out of supporting your country&#039;s Military.

This, so long as the names are made public, so that Patriots such as myself can publicly shame the yellow-bellied cowardly freeloaders among us.  

Kind of like that Louisiana law that states, that Burning the American Flag is completely legal in the State; However, Veterans and Active duty Military Personnel cannot be charged with assault for punching the living shit out of the Flag burners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.  Dead wrong.  I&#8217;m a big advocate of a tax write-off check-off box on our tax returns for those who do not wish to contribute to our country&#8217;s National Defense.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favor of you being able to opt out of supporting your country&#8217;s Military.</p>
<p>This, so long as the names are made public, so that Patriots such as myself can publicly shame the yellow-bellied cowardly freeloaders among us.  </p>
<p>Kind of like that Louisiana law that states, that Burning the American Flag is completely legal in the State; However, Veterans and Active duty Military Personnel cannot be charged with assault for punching the living shit out of the Flag burners.</p>
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