Comments on: Bong Hits 4 Jesus And Freedom Of Speech http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dr BLT http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-21371 Dr BLT Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:45:13 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-21371 This song reflects the tension involved in the competing desires of wanting to protect teens from drugs, on the one hand, and wanting to preserve free speech on the other: Bong Hits 4 Jesus (the song) Dr BLT words and music by Dr BLT (c) 2007 http://www.drblt.net/music/bongHITS4.mp3 This song reflects the tension involved in the competing desires of wanting to protect teens from drugs, on the one hand, and wanting to preserve free speech on the other:

Bong Hits 4 Jesus (the song)
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT (c) 2007
http://www.drblt.net/music/bongHITS4.mp3

]]> By: Glenn the Civics Teacher http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-20222 Glenn the Civics Teacher Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:57:43 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-20222 It is a free speech case....no more...no less He was on public property at a public event. The poster was his personal property. The principal attacked the boy, destroyed his property and then attempted to restrict the boys 1st Amendment rights. The 1st amendment is sacred...it's first for a reason. You may not like the message, but that is the point. The first amendment protects "unpopular" speech and thought. If you don't like it....move somewhere without the protection....and then see how "free" you are. It is a free speech case….no more…no less
He was on public property at a public event.
The poster was his personal property.
The principal attacked the boy, destroyed his property and then attempted to restrict the boys 1st Amendment rights.
The 1st amendment is sacred…it’s first for a reason.
You may not like the message, but that is the point.
The first amendment protects “unpopular” speech and thought.
If you don’t like it….move somewhere without the protection….and then see how “free” you are.

]]> By: Matt Alavi http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-20031 Matt Alavi Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:57:13 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-20031 Mike, when I made the following comments ““”"Consider this, if the protestor had lived in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, or anywhere else other than some of the European countries, that student would have been jailed and hanged after years of tortured just because he expressed his freedom of speech.”"” Your response was “Hey, asshole - consider this - in this wonderful country full of freedom - you can’t actually buy or sell a bong, buy or sell marijuana, smoke it, or carry it on your person or in your vehicle.” I am glad to know you are still alive and not in jail and tortured to be able to exercise your freedom of speech. If smoking or handling marijuana is illegal, then you have a chance with your vote to make a difference, no matter how small it is. Unlike some people who have no chance to make difference even with shedding their own blood. Be grateful you live in land of freedom and you can exercise your rights. There is old saying, “when you are not hungry, nothing taste good”. In another word, when you have all the freedoms, other than illegal activities, then no freedom is appealing. The word anarchy comes to mind. Mike, when I made the following comments ““””Consider this, if the protestor had lived in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, or anywhere else other than some of the European countries, that student would have been jailed and hanged after years of tortured just because he expressed his freedom of speech.”””
Your response was “Hey, asshole – consider this – in this wonderful country full of freedom – you can’t actually buy or sell a bong, buy or sell marijuana, smoke it, or carry it on your person or in your vehicle.”

I am glad to know you are still alive and not in jail and tortured to be able to exercise your freedom of speech.
If smoking or handling marijuana is illegal, then you have a chance with your vote to make a difference, no matter how small it is. Unlike some people who have no chance to make difference even with shedding their own blood.
Be grateful you live in land of freedom and you can exercise your rights.
There is old saying, “when you are not hungry, nothing taste good”. In another word, when you have all the freedoms, other than illegal activities, then no freedom is appealing. The word anarchy comes to mind.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19864 Ryan Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:41:08 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19864 To me, this whole case is another argument against public education. In theory, with private education, school administrators would be free to make their own policies regardding issues like this, and if students didn't like them, they'd go somewhere else. To me, this whole case is another argument against public education. In theory, with private education, school administrators would be free to make their own policies regardding issues like this, and if students didn’t like them, they’d go somewhere else.

]]> By: tarran http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19816 tarran Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:08:57 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19816 As a vet myself, I seriously question whether anything the military does defends the rights of Americans. Nothing I did ever defended a single American's civil liberties, in fact I cringe at the tax-dollars I helped consume to no good end. The Mexican war, the Indian Wars, the annexation of Hawaii, the Spanish American War, the brutal supression of the Phillipine independence movement, the forcible opening of Japanese ports, the interventions in China, <a href="http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm" rel="nofollow">our late entry into World War I</a>, <a href="http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/4_1/4_1_3.pdf" rel="nofollow">our involvement in World War II</a>, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Somalia, Yugoslavia, and now Iraq and Afghanistan, none of these wars were fought to protect Americans. Oh, often the government would come out and whip up the people into believing that they were defending American lives, and most of these wars seem to have been justified on the pretext that they had attacked our navy, but in the end, when you scratch deeply, often you find some group either engineering the war for their own profit, or accidentally trigerring it as they meddle and interfere overseas for their own profit. The fact is, with the exception of the War Between the States and the War of 1812, the United States Army has not defended American territory from attack. During those wars, the U.S. government behaved quite tyrannically, and certainly in no way respected the freedoms of the American citizenry. I would even go further and argue that each war eroded the freedom of the citizenry and permanently expanded government power. I think one can make a credible case for the War of 1812 being a primarily defensive war, certainly no other war ever was defensive. In fact, I find the first use of the United States Army after the ratification of the U.S. constitution is more representative of the spirit of its use: the army marched against farmers who refused to pay Alexander Hamilton's tax on whiskey. Most soldiers believe that they are defending their country. I certainly joined the U.S. Navy for that very reason. However, in practicality, the U.S. soldier goes where the president tells him to go. Shoots whomever the president tells him to, and often dies, not defending freedom, but advancing some scheme cooked up by a politically connected cabal for their own profit. If you really want to defend your country, my advice is to buy a rifle, become proficient in its use, and be ready to defend your land should <a>the notoriously warlike Canadians</a> or Mexicans ever invade. As a vet myself, I seriously question whether anything the military does defends the rights of Americans. Nothing I did ever defended a single American’s civil liberties, in fact I cringe at the tax-dollars I helped consume to no good end.

The Mexican war, the Indian Wars, the annexation of Hawaii, the Spanish American War, the brutal supression of the Phillipine independence movement, the forcible opening of Japanese ports, the interventions in China, our late entry into World War I, our involvement in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Somalia, Yugoslavia, and now Iraq and Afghanistan, none of these wars were fought to protect Americans. Oh, often the government would come out and whip up the people into believing that they were defending American lives, and most of these wars seem to have been justified on the pretext that they had attacked our navy, but in the end, when you scratch deeply, often you find some group either engineering the war for their own profit, or accidentally trigerring it as they meddle and interfere overseas for their own profit.

The fact is, with the exception of the War Between the States and the War of 1812, the United States Army has not defended American territory from attack. During those wars, the U.S. government behaved quite tyrannically, and certainly in no way respected the freedoms of the American citizenry. I would even go further and argue that each war eroded the freedom of the citizenry and permanently expanded government power. I think one can make a credible case for the War of 1812 being a primarily defensive war, certainly no other war ever was defensive.

In fact, I find the first use of the United States Army after the ratification of the U.S. constitution is more representative of the spirit of its use: the army marched against farmers who refused to pay Alexander Hamilton’s tax on whiskey.

Most soldiers believe that they are defending their country. I certainly joined the U.S. Navy for that very reason. However, in practicality, the U.S. soldier goes where the president tells him to go. Shoots whomever the president tells him to, and often dies, not defending freedom, but advancing some scheme cooked up by a politically connected cabal for their own profit.

If you really want to defend your country, my advice is to buy a rifle, become proficient in its use, and be ready to defend your land should the notoriously warlike Canadians or Mexicans ever invade.

]]> By: Nick M. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19714 Nick M. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:58 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19714 Ah yes, the old "I'm a vet, so my opinion is more important than yours" argument. Dude, your sentences barely make sense. I will agree that as along as you stay on your side of the line you are not dangerous to me. To others maybe, but not me. So, I couldn't care less. Yes, please do stop wasting space with your inane drivel. Gotta go, mom's making Velveeta Shells & Cheese. Nick Ah yes, the old “I’m a vet, so my opinion is more important than yours” argument. Dude, your sentences barely make sense. I will agree that as along as you stay on your side of the line you are not dangerous to me. To others maybe, but not me. So, I couldn’t care less.

Yes, please do stop wasting space with your inane drivel.

Gotta go, mom’s making Velveeta Shells & Cheese.

Nick

]]> By: ed http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19705 ed Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:27:52 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19705 I spent a lot of time in service for you rights,How about you Nick. Since you are opinionated and you will find fault with anything I say. I feel driving along side of you constitutes no harm as long as I do not cross the line. It's just annoying. I have wasted enough space and others have important things to say. Tell mom you are done with her computer now. I spent a lot of time in service for you rights,How about you Nick.
Since you are opinionated and you will find fault with anything I say.
I feel driving along side of you constitutes no harm as long as I do not cross the line.
It’s just annoying.
I have wasted enough space and others have important things to say.
Tell mom you are done with her computer now.

]]> By: Nick M. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19700 Nick M. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19700 I would like to clarify. The only thing I would even think about involving law in is the example of driving beside me, and only then if it actually was dangerous. Smoking, I would explain my issue to the smoker and try to work it out or leave. Movie theatre, I would ask the persone to quiet down, and if they did not, I involve management. Nick I would like to clarify. The only thing I would even think about involving law in is the example of driving beside me, and only then if it actually was dangerous.

Smoking, I would explain my issue to the smoker and try to work it out or leave.

Movie theatre, I would ask the persone to quiet down, and if they did not, I involve management.

Nick

]]> By: Nick M. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19696 Nick M. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:11:44 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19696 Ed, You are still using examples that harm people. Smoking - harms people with asthma talking loudly in the movie - ruins my movie experience which I paid for. driving alongside me - depends on the type of road, could be dangerous. None of these are free speech. In public, as long as my speech or actions aren't harming anyone, it's protected. Nude bicyclists aren't harming anyone. If you don't like it, take your kids elsewhere. This banner was not harming anyone. It was also getting a positive message out. Both Jesus and bong hits promote peace. As far as how far is too far, I will go with the standard, "My fredom to swing my fist ends at your nose." To put that in terms of free speech, my freedom to speak ends at the point that I cause you harm. Offending you isn't harm. Nick Ed,

You are still using examples that harm people.

Smoking – harms people with asthma
talking loudly in the movie – ruins my movie experience which I paid for.
driving alongside me – depends on the type of road, could be dangerous.

None of these are free speech. In public, as long as my speech or actions aren’t harming anyone, it’s protected.

Nude bicyclists aren’t harming anyone. If you don’t like it, take your kids elsewhere.

This banner was not harming anyone. It was also getting a positive message out. Both Jesus and bong hits promote peace.

As far as how far is too far, I will go with the standard, “My fredom to swing my fist ends at your nose.”

To put that in terms of free speech, my freedom to speak ends at the point that I cause you harm. Offending you isn’t harm.

Nick

]]> By: Mike http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19691 Mike Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:01:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19691 """Consider this, if the protestor had lived in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, or anywhere else other than some of the European countries, that student would have been jailed and hanged after years of tortured just because he expressed his freedom of speech.""" Hey, asshole - consider this - in this wonderful country full of freedom - you can't actually buy or sell a bong, buy or sell marijuana, smoke it, or carry it on your person or in your vehicle. Have enough of it, and you get thrown in jail. For years. Hypocrite. “”"Consider this, if the protestor had lived in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, or anywhere else other than some of the European countries, that student would have been jailed and hanged after years of tortured just because he expressed his freedom of speech.”"”

Hey, asshole – consider this – in this wonderful country full of freedom – you can’t actually buy or sell a bong, buy or sell marijuana, smoke it, or carry it on your person or in your vehicle.

Have enough of it, and you get thrown in jail. For years.

Hypocrite.

]]> By: ed http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19690 ed Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:59:32 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19690 NICK, Its just an example of what is too far? How about smoking within 25 feet of you(I do not smoke),talking as loud as I can in a movie theater,driving my car along side of you for 20 miles. In other words, it annoy's people and not one person rights over run everyone elses. Your opinion is yours,Not everyone who is in eye shot. In washington state we have a town that allows nude people no matter who to ride bicycles in a parade in front of kids, I don't like that either. I do not say your do not have the right of speech,I think it was the wrong message and he knew exactly what response it would bring. He is probably a rich boy who has always had his way.And used daddy's money to sue. NICK,
Its just an example of what is too far?
How about smoking within 25 feet of you(I do not smoke),talking as loud as I can in a movie theater,driving my car along side of you for 20 miles.
In other words, it annoy’s people and not one person rights over run everyone elses.
Your opinion is yours,Not everyone who is in eye shot.
In washington state we have a town that allows nude people no matter who to ride bicycles in a parade in front of kids, I don’t like that either.
I do not say your do not have the right of speech,I think it was the wrong message and he knew exactly what response it would bring.
He is probably a rich boy who has always had his way.And used daddy’s money to sue.

]]> By: Spacelab http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19688 Spacelab Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:45:25 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19688 And seriously, isn't "bong hits 4 jesus" something we all do, in our own living rooms, about 6 days a week? ...maybe that's just me. And seriously, isn’t “bong hits 4 jesus” something we all do, in our own living rooms, about 6 days a week?

…maybe that’s just me.

]]> By: stephen http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19687 stephen Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:41:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19687 to the sarcasticynic, does that mean Jesus wins?! to the sarcasticynic, does that mean Jesus wins?!

]]> By: stephen http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19684 stephen Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:37:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19684 The principal is wrong here. She should be reprimanded in some way. Suing her is silly though. I agree with her ripping the sign up but it should have nothing to do with school. If you're going to sue the Principal or school, then give the kid a drug test. If you're stupid enough to condone drug use (even if it's only a joke) then you should be tested for it. Making public jokes regarding religous figures is also highly ignorant. The principal is wrong here. She should be reprimanded in some way. Suing her is silly though.
I agree with her ripping the sign up but it should have nothing to do with school. If you’re going to sue the Principal or school, then give the kid a drug test. If you’re stupid enough to condone drug use (even if it’s only a joke) then you should be tested for it.
Making public jokes regarding religous figures is also highly ignorant.

]]> By: The Sarcasticynic http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19670 The Sarcasticynic Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:22:03 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/20/bong-hits-4-jesus-and-freedom-of-speech/#comment-19670 Maybe the kid should claim he left off part of the sign. It should have said, "Bong Hits 4, Jesus 9." Maybe the kid should claim he left off part of the sign. It should have said, “Bong Hits 4, Jesus 9.”

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