Quite the contrary, I seek allies, and have a good nose for what Rothbard called libertarian con-men. Paul supporters are trying to build something. Dr. Paul represents cultural forces that are far bigger them himself, forces beyond the mere ideology you are attempting to, I suppose advance, or simply talk about, as boring and unromantic as that sounds.

If you wish to reduce the libertarian thang to an ideology, well, that is sad, I’d hate to see y’all do movie reviews.

At some, Eric, you’ll have to figure out that ideology only goes so far and is easy to manipulate to justify whatever position you want. Supporting the war, a debt financed invasion of non-threatening country is a crime. It supporters should be thought of as criminals worthy of the shun–that is how we radicals dish out punishment without the state.

It is simple history that the DC-regime, in the persons, by example, of Rep Charles Wilson, Richard Perle, Ollie North et al supported and created Al-Q and OBL himself. The 90s saw power elements attempt to employ AQ to further policy goals in Central and Eastern Europe as an ally, culminating in the Serbia-Kosovo debacles, where, the House Republicans heroically reported the truth on the matter, the US government was a direct ally of AQ and OBL. Convienent indeed, it all went away on 9-11.

And no, I don’t belive the gubmint’s story regarding Waco either.

To the others, is Kevin really considered part of the Pat Henry thing?

I remanin optismic about Hunter Thomspon’s “freak vote.” The pro-pot folks are naked leftists, but there is an alcohol contingent that can be found at Modern Drunkard Magazine that has developed sophisticated tactics, led by a subversive extrodinaire of our time, which could, if nothing else, challenge any rival from the Left spectrum, and ultimatley, with some well timed ballot intiatives, support a Paul run.

You have revealed yourself already, no need to spin for me, though we both know you are going through the motions for others. Please, continue to post. Self described libertarians need to pick a side with the traitors who support the income tax and wars against non-threats, or with organice American culture.

Tactical commentary on Dr. Paul’s approach will have to come from others to the extent this site has any value beyond “two cheers for liberty”.

I have to say that I really could care less about the goals of the various fringe groups that support Ron Paul. One of the basic points of freedom-based politics is to let the wackos do their thing. Under Paul’s applied principles, the South Carolina folks would have no reason to secede, since their core social issues could be legislated at the state level as they should be. Alex Jones could get an investigation he could trust. I hope.

There’s one more wacko group that would support Dr. Paul if they ever get the message…casual pot smokers. Ron Paul is the only major party candidate who doesn’t want to send them and everyone they know to jail. How many millions of votes is that? Are the rest of the wackos ready to admit that we will need these votes to win? The War on Drugs is off the radar screen at the moment… Paul’s campaign site doesn’t mention it at all (did I miss something?).

But if you are serious in backing Paul, than some tactical analysis of who the prospective social and intersts groups are in his favor

Let’s take a look at them shall we.

gun folks

He has a lot of competition in the Republican primary on that issue. Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, and Tom Tancredo also have strong pro-gun records. Fred Thompson if he enters the race also has a strong pro-gun record. Even John McCain would be acceptable on guns. Paul should not count on gun owners alone to win him the nomination because he’ll have competition in that vote.

Free Staters

A grand total of 450 currently in New Hampshire and a little over 7,000 signed up. This may help in New Hampshire, but again, he needs to build a bigger base.

Second Vermont Republic types

They can hold their convention in a phone booth.

pro-pot farming interests

Probably about the size of the Free Staters, except they’re less concentrated in one place.

Southern heritage communities

Only about 5-10% of white Southerners. Also, once you leave the South, that’s not exactly a group whose support I would be touting.

anti-Cuban Exile community FL Republicans

Another group that could hold their convention in a phone booth.

If Ron Paul hopes to be the Republican nominee for president, let alone winning the whole damn thing, he has to build a base outside of the kooks, the fringe, the one and two percenters, and courting groups where there is stiff competition. More importantly Charlie, the Ron Paul campaign understands that. Notice how Paul is staying away from Alex Jones and the 9/11 Truthers. Notice how Paul is getting press coverage from Fox News and Lou Dobbs. Notice Ron Paul is pursuing Richard Vigeruie(sp?), David Keene, Bob Barr, and other conservative leaders and trying to line up their support. Ron Paul is also touching on the immigration issue and he’s expousing a protectionist platform to go after the old Buchanan vote.

Kevin, already setting an arbitrary litmus test to anyone who questions the veracity of the 9/11 myth, and how the League of the South are traitors (Tancredo’s people called them racists when the hate groups of the Left– ADL/SPLC, complained.)

Charlie,

Do you really think the United States government had anything to do with 9/11?

As for calling the League of the South traitors, if I understand, their goal is the secession and independence of the South from the United States. As both a Southerner and a loyal American, I find that goal, along with their glorification of the Confederacy to be repugnant. Therefore I stand by comments, the League of the South are traitors because they seek the break up of the United States.

Why don’t you call yourselves the Heirs of Jack Kemp?

Seriously, at the tactical level, if you are suggestion the collective we (libertarians) should still look for scraps from the establishment, that is fine, I just disagree with the tactical approach. If you are just shooting the breeze because the Internet is fun, that is cool too.

But if you are serious in backing Paul, than some tactical analysis of who the prospective social and intersts groups are in his favor (gun folks, Free Staters, Second Vermont Republic types, pro-pot farming interests, Southern heritage communities etc etc), the opportunists (anti-Cuban Exile community FL Republicans) etc, that would be interesting.

If tactically speaking, you think staying your present position, a two cheers for Paul sort of thing, is best for the libertarians, I wonder what that is about let alone, if why claim Pat Henry as your (intellectual) father. He was a radical.

Who I, or any of the other contributors here, choose to make a campaign contribution to, or even if we choose to make one at all is quite honestly none of your business.

My goal is the expansion of liberty in our time. If Ron Paul can be a means to that end, then I will support him. If not, then I won’t

Pajamesmedia is “unreliable” to the point of being a 5th Column. They are the enemy. Micahel Ledeen’s record speaks for itself. One should begin with the assumption that their poll is a bright shining gatekeeper’s lie, which is exactly what it is.

The ‘us’, this collection of bloggers who are all Googled up, and by all means congrats on this, wish to truly aid a political revolution, which is what Dr. Paul represents and nothing short of it, then come join the fun with the radical fire of Pat Henry, not the centrist gate keepers of libertarian-right opinion.

Several of the contributors to this website support Ron Paul. A few do not. Most are anti-Giuliani, and (I believe) all are anti-McCain. If your beef is with the PJM folks, I don’t see how that has anything to do with us. The only interaction we’ve had with PJM is to call their poll unreliable (which even the initial post does).

So exactly what are you talking about?

Clinton’s sanction regime and Bush’s Iraq aggression has killed how many Iraqi’s a million? Is that a fair number? Is that a holocaust yet? A genocide? It’s indefensible under any sense of libertarian ethics.

Kevin,

Take your ball and go home, please. We don’t want you either. Secession, celebration of ones heritage, is an American political tradition, no wonder you hate it.

If Ron Paul said that it was an “inside job” I wouldn’t vote for him.

In the interests of fairness, he has not said that.

I like antiwar.com. I read it along with Drudge Report, World Net Daily, and Liberty Papers.