Gratitude indeed.

The US of A, employed radical Islam to battle the Soviet. They used Saudi funding sources and Pakistani Intelligence to organize what we came to know as the Base, or AQ. After the Cold War, rather than tie up loose ends as the CIA did with flyers like Barry Seal, they intended to use radical Islam to pursue policy goals in Eastern Europe, reaching the point of becoming a de facto ally of Osama himself via the KLA.

The 9/11 conspiracy, the Israeli Art Students, the money laundering through Indian casinos, including one owned by Jack Ambramoff, run ins with the FBI, the myth of the box cutters that began with a government report designed to deflect liabilty from the government and the airline industry etc etc and what you have are lots of stories that should be told, each one in the excrutiating detail many of us grew up on regarding the JFK assassination, Waco and Vince Foster, regardless of where you come down on it.

Citing yet another “government report says government not guilty” is just plain silly from a Pat Henry son.

The trick you pro-State dupes employ is to conflate criticisms of the official story into a complete discreditation of any critique (implying the government got the story 100% correct) rather than even taking the time to offer nuance point by point. Frankly, I think the focus on the towers is a distraction, and the focus should be on the story of the pilots and how they got here, but that is a debate critics are having elsewhere, complete with a left and right, conspiracy theorists and skeptics, far and wide.

Wider than the range of debate gubmint bootlickers will ever pretend to understand or care about.

They probably thought Iraq was a threat, LOL.

US foreign policy post WWII is the excuse, the pretext, not the root. The root cause is two radically divergent views of culture, society and religion.

That doesn’t mean that the US shouldn’t alter our foreign policy in order to try and win said war, since our current approach is pretty broken.

Except for banks.

government, airlines and airports in the past were notoriously bad at security. Post 9/11 hasn’t made it all that much better ;-).

These days I’m a security officer and the biggest problem I face is how to control physical security without creating an oppressive work environment.

Like Griffin, et. al., I find the official story as just another wild conspiracy theory: 20 guys, trained to fly large commercial aircraft in a matter of months–on simulators only mind you, subverted the world’s most powerful defense apparatus using nothing more than $10.00 box cutters.

That is no less absurd than what the truthers are saying.

There are far too many unanswered questions to simply dismiss the truthers out of hand. This much I know.

If I retracted “WW2″ and restated, “ONE PART of the problem is American foreign policy”, would you be willing to look at the contemporary influences on our foreign policies as relevant?
Discounting any present context by historicity seems counterproductive or (hopefully not) a method to disparge on a point secondary to the issue.

You appear to find it easier to blame the proximate and call it the root.

None of which should be construed as implying I support the NeoCon version of this conflict.

My reference to foreign policy was to suggest a reaction to prevent this in the future. Your semantic assessment of my words assumes that I discount any application of fault or guilt with the intent to ridicule. I guarantee you, your assumption is wrong.

I await the report, PEACE.

but no one is discussing the root cause, which is American foreign policy since WW2.

Ahhhh, it finally comes out. Rather than lay the blame for the destruction of billions of dollars of property and the death of thousands on those who actually performed the deed, we will lay it on the “root cause”.

In 25 years look at a new structural text book and the answer will be there. It will either be a new chapter entitled something like, “What we learned from WTC 7 – falacies of moment frame redundancy”, or it will be a footnote after introductory moment frame analysis that points to the NIST report and anecdotally says, “we still don’t know why this happened.”

As to the discussion in general, I would suggest an open debate on the cause not the fault or the blame. Either side can scream patriotism or new world order with equal enthusiasm and create labels and factions around “grainy film” factoids, but no one is discussing the root cause, which is American foreign policy since WW2.

Watching grainy videos doesn’t prove anything besides the towers went down. The 9/11 truth movement has nothing but wild accusations from grainy videos. Where’s the hard evidence hmm? NIST has come to conclusion of what happened. Sibel Edmonds case hints at the corruption that lead to the foreknowledge going unheeded. All these movie stars come out saying it was an “inside job” instead of focusing on actual crime that has been covered up. Charlie Sheen on google news has over 500 articles. Sibel Edmonds has only 41 articles. The moral of the story is if your not delusional and have something important to say your ignored.

The 9/11 truth movement is unproductive. Because without proof they are all seen as crazy. It is filled with right wing populist (Alex Jones) and transnational progressives (David Griffin) who want their “global governance.” Strange how these two bitter enemies end up in a movement together against the Neoconservatives. I dislike the American Empire too I want my Republic back but I’m not going to confuse fantasy with reality like a schizophrenic.

I am not a “truther”. I am human. Aren’t we all?

Assumption and supposition to derive division is unproductive.

They think the bin laden video was faked. They claim BBC had foreknowledge of WTC 7 collapse.

I automatically don’t trust two of links in question (Whatreallyhappened.com and Prisonplanet.com or anything to do with Alex Jones in general).

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/JonesAnswersQuestionsWorldTradeCenter.pdf

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html