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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Constitutional For The Government To Harass You</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22410</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recognize that the Court is trying a narrow case, but, like Kelo before it, there is a broader principle involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize that the Court is trying a narrow case, but, like Kelo before it, there is a broader principle involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22408</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and that question boils down to, honestly, whether you own your property, or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and that question boils down to, honestly, whether you own your property, or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22407</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your suggesting that a central question is whether the feds have trespassed?

I think that one of the central questions here is not whether Robbins in any way acted illegally.  But as Ayn Rand once pointed out, when you make so many things illegal that it&#039;s impossible to live without breaking a law here or there, you&#039;re always going to be a lawbreaker.  If you watch someone closely enough, you&#039;ll find laws that they&#039;ve broken.  For example, they&#039;ve cited him in violation of the &quot;grazing laws&quot;.  I never knew there were grazing laws, but so be it.  The suit, though, suggests that they selectively cited him and singled him out for breaking the same laws his neighbors were breaking, in an effort to harass him.

The Supreme Court isn&#039;t answering a question as to whether the grazing laws are Constitutional. They&#039;re answering the question whether the selective and arbitrary enforcement of these laws, prosecuted in a way to be punitive and retaliatory to Robbins, is Constitutional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your suggesting that a central question is whether the feds have trespassed?</p>
<p>I think that one of the central questions here is not whether Robbins in any way acted illegally.  But as Ayn Rand once pointed out, when you make so many things illegal that it&#8217;s impossible to live without breaking a law here or there, you&#8217;re always going to be a lawbreaker.  If you watch someone closely enough, you&#8217;ll find laws that they&#8217;ve broken.  For example, they&#8217;ve cited him in violation of the &#8220;grazing laws&#8221;.  I never knew there were grazing laws, but so be it.  The suit, though, suggests that they selectively cited him and singled him out for breaking the same laws his neighbors were breaking, in an effort to harass him.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court isn&#8217;t answering a question as to whether the grazing laws are Constitutional. They&#8217;re answering the question whether the selective and arbitrary enforcement of these laws, prosecuted in a way to be punitive and retaliatory to Robbins, is Constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22391</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not saying that the question is whether he can say no about the easement. One central question here is, can a government agent come onto your property if you tell the agent no and there is no reason to believe you have broken a law? Did the BLM and BIA employees have warrants? Did they have court orders? I don&#039;t think, from reading the news stories so far, that they did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the question is whether he can say no about the easement. One central question here is, can a government agent come onto your property if you tell the agent no and there is no reason to believe you have broken a law? Did the BLM and BIA employees have warrants? Did they have court orders? I don&#8217;t think, from reading the news stories so far, that they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22389</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam,

I disagree as whether that&#039;s a primary issue in the case.  The question appears to largely center on whether the government can retaliate against you for not going along with what they ask.

Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/posts/1174425638.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this discussion at The Volokh Conspiracy&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the BLM did the same thing to punish Robbins for exercising his First Amendment right to criticize the agency, his Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures by the BLM, or his right to engage in religious practices that the BLM disapproves of, the unconstitutionality of the agency&#039;s actions would be unquestionable. Everyone agrees that these rights would be worthless, or at least gravely impaired, if government could punish people for exercising them. The same point applies to citizens&#039; constitutional right to avoid uncompensating takings of their property in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

Note that this issue is separable from the question of the substantive scope of constitutional property rights. Even if you believe that the scope of constitutional property rights should be very narrow, there is still good reason to forbid the government from punishing people for exercising those (admittedly narrow) rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What the BLM is doing here is no different from a a mafia protection racket.  You pay your protection money (in this case sign over an easement), and if you choose not to, they&#039;ll make sure your life is a living hell.

The question is not whether Robbins has the right to say no to the government when they request an easement, the question is whether the government should be allowed to harass and retaliate against him for &lt;strong&gt;legally&lt;/strong&gt; saying no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I disagree as whether that&#8217;s a primary issue in the case.  The question appears to largely center on whether the government can retaliate against you for not going along with what they ask.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1174425638.shtml" rel="nofollow">this discussion at The Volokh Conspiracy</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the BLM did the same thing to punish Robbins for exercising his First Amendment right to criticize the agency, his Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures by the BLM, or his right to engage in religious practices that the BLM disapproves of, the unconstitutionality of the agency&#8217;s actions would be unquestionable. Everyone agrees that these rights would be worthless, or at least gravely impaired, if government could punish people for exercising them. The same point applies to citizens&#8217; constitutional right to avoid uncompensating takings of their property in violation of the Fifth Amendment.</p>
<p>Note that this issue is separable from the question of the substantive scope of constitutional property rights. Even if you believe that the scope of constitutional property rights should be very narrow, there is still good reason to forbid the government from punishing people for exercising those (admittedly narrow) rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>What the BLM is doing here is no different from a a mafia protection racket.  You pay your protection money (in this case sign over an easement), and if you choose not to, they&#8217;ll make sure your life is a living hell.</p>
<p>The question is not whether Robbins has the right to say no to the government when they request an easement, the question is whether the government should be allowed to harass and retaliate against him for <strong>legally</strong> saying no.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22375</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real question, foundational to this case, is whether you have absolute rights over your property so long as you are a law abiding citizen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question, foundational to this case, is whether you have absolute rights over your property so long as you are a law abiding citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: William Whiteley</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22371</link>
		<dc:creator>William Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where the amicus stated the claim that hasrasment was &quot;not speciffically forbiddden in the Constitution&quot; then it would become a state perogative, not federal. The federal government is restricted to only those things that are specifically allowed to it in the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the amicus stated the claim that hasrasment was &#8220;not speciffically forbiddden in the Constitution&#8221; then it would become a state perogative, not federal. The federal government is restricted to only those things that are specifically allowed to it in the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22223</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I would hope that there would not need to be any kind of explanation or argument for this one...

How this isn&#039;t an intuitive understanding in all people... I just can&#039;t fathom it.

Fundamental rights of property, are so integral to our concept of freedom, liberty, and society; those who would abuse them in such a manner cannot possibly understand, or for that matter function within, our society or government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I would hope that there would not need to be any kind of explanation or argument for this one&#8230;</p>
<p>How this isn&#8217;t an intuitive understanding in all people&#8230; I just can&#8217;t fathom it.</p>
<p>Fundamental rights of property, are so integral to our concept of freedom, liberty, and society; those who would abuse them in such a manner cannot possibly understand, or for that matter function within, our society or government.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22198</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could say I was surprised, but sadly, I am not. More and more it seems that some people, both in and out of government, are forcing their way into our homes, our yards, and our lives, and tearing our rights away from us.

It&#039;s a sad thing, and I hope the supreme court rules for the homeowner. 

Considering the results of Georgia v. Randolph, I have high hopes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could say I was surprised, but sadly, I am not. More and more it seems that some people, both in and out of government, are forcing their way into our homes, our yards, and our lives, and tearing our rights away from us.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad thing, and I hope the supreme court rules for the homeowner. </p>
<p>Considering the results of Georgia v. Randolph, I have high hopes.</p>
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		<title>By: PLF on Eminent Domain</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/26/its-constitutional-for-the-government-to-harass-you/#comment-22168</link>
		<dc:creator>PLF on Eminent Domain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Robbins Editorial...&lt;/strong&gt;

Thanks to Liberty Papers for pointing out this editorial on Robbins v. Wilkie that appears in the Colorado Springs Gazette. The Papers has a few other choice comments as well....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robbins Editorial&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Thanks to Liberty Papers for pointing out this editorial on Robbins v. Wilkie that appears in the Colorado Springs Gazette. The Papers has a few other choice comments as well&#8230;.</p>
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