Comments on: John Murtha Calls For A Draft http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:29:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: VRB http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23991 VRB Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:33:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23991 Kevin,
I don’t why you think that, there is noting in history that would indicate that. Is that you view because it supports your ideas. Blacks always got the short end of the stick, when it came to violence. The Panthers were murdered
while they slept, students were shot, just protesting. I am not talking about Kent State, but Jackson State. None of this inspired blacks to take to the streets and kill every white person in sight. King’s death caused riots in the black neighborhoods not the white’s. Even Malcolm X only spoke of violence as a means of self defense. There was a lot rhetoric at that time, but we knew that it would have been impossible for an armed revolt. Guns would not have been our solution because we would have been wiped out. Genocide would not be a solution to civil rights. And if you don’t think J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI didn’t know our week points, think again. Almost all Black organizations, including churches, and its members were under surveillance. Many were listed with House of Un-American Activities Committee. Civil rights activities were synonymous with Communist activities. (this is partly why I made the first comment)Under that umbrella, any crackdown on us would have been supported. One thing slavery had taught us, was how to survive. It was not white people’s fear that won part of the Civil Right battle; to some, they were moved to feel it was the right thing to do to, to others it was a matter upon how they were viewed by the world and others it was a matter of government coercion.

The point about passive resistance is that it is a moral stand that one takes, when you break a law that is unjust, you are willing to suffer the consequences. There were some that didn’t flee to Canada when they got drafted, they went to jail. They saw this as a choice. I thought that this is what you would have gotten from reading that letter.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23934 Kevin Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:05:59 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23934 VRB,

The reason why blacks won their freedom is because there would have been and there was violence if Jim Crow was maintained.

]]> By: Hardly News: Two House Democrats Support The Draft - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23925 Hardly News: Two House Democrats Support The Draft - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:54:10 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23925 [...] of blog rolls, here’s a good example of why some blogs stay on the blog roll and some do not. Liberty Papers is running this video with a comment giving the impression that this represents the position of [...]

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23922 Brad Warbiany Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:53:11 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23922 VRB,

If I thought a foreign power honestly was a threat to my freedom, and thought that my use of arms would assist to defeat that threat, I would fight for it.

Would I have gone to Vietnam, if I had been alive? Probably not, if I could have avoided it. Looking back on history, I don’t think that was a war that had any implications for the freedom of Americans here at home.

]]> By: VRB http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23919 VRB Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:43:08 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23919 Eric,
Are you calling many of the Viet Nam vets a bunch of slackers?

]]> By: VRB http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23918 VRB Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:39:27 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23918 Brad,
Where would you fight for it?

]]> By: VRB http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23917 VRB Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:34:37 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23917 Kevin,
“Letter from Birmingham Jail”
http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/popular_requests/frequentdocs/birmingham.pdf

]]> By: Eric Dondero http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23911 Eric Dondero Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:07:47 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23911 And let’s not forget who gave us a Return to Selective Service.

None other than President James Earl Carter.

And guess what political affiliation “Jimmy” has?

Right-o. You guessed it. DEMOCRAT.

And what’s the affiliation for the 20 or so Congressmen who regularly sign on to Cong. Ron Paul’s yearly bill to abolish Selective Service?

Take a wild guess…

Right!

REPUBLICAN.

So, what was that again, that silly idea that some Libertarians were pushing last year, how we Libertarians ought to “ally” ourselves with Liberals and Democrats?

Run that one by me again.

]]> By: Eric Dondero http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23909 Eric Dondero Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:05:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23909 The greatest argument against the Draft is that we Military guys (and Vets) do not want some weenie geek in the proverbial foxhold with us, who doesn’t want to be there. Draftees, in most cases, make poor soldiers and sailors.

I’m ex-Military. And I don’t think some guy who doesn’t want to be drafted is a coward. Hell, you’re actually doing me and other Military guys a favor by not being drafted. We don’t want you there by our side.

Plus, the more glory (and chics) for us, when we come home as Victors.

After all, girls really do love a man in a uniform.

Eric Dondero, Federal Appointee
Selective Service Board
20-year Appointment

]]> By: mike http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23906 mike Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:47:14 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23906 VRB, as someone who is planning on making a career out of voluntarily serving our country, the call for a draft is a slap in my face.

I can’t remember the exact quote, but Heinlein said something to the effect of a society that does not have volunteers to defend it is not worth defending.

]]> By: tarran http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23901 tarran Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:41:19 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23901 The U.S. military does not defend my freedom. In fact, looking through the long list of wars, you have to go back to the War of 1812 to find one where the U.S. Army was defending the United States.

I am quite happy to pay for my own security. I would not hire the United States government to provide such security since it is an incompetent organization that provides poor customer service and charges high prices.

One can decline to purchase a car made by Ford without being opposed to automobile usage.

]]> By: trumpetbob15 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23899 trumpetbob15 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:41:07 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23899 VRB wrote,
“You wont volunteer, you don’t think anything should be asked of you, but somehow you want all the benefits of freedom without lifting a finger.”

Now, I may not have joined the military, but I also never owned a garden or butchered a cow. Does that mean I am unfit to make dinner? Am I living off the back of someone else, eating “without lifting a finger,” as you say?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23890 Kevin Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:40:15 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23890 VRB,

Where has passive resistance accomplished anything?

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23888 Brad Warbiany Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:38:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23888 VRB,

What are you trying to say? Because I haven’t been in the military, and refuse to be forced into military service, I’m a coward and won’t fight for my freedom?

]]> By: VRB http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23882 VRB Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:26:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/30/john-murtha-calls-for-a-draft/#comment-23882 One would have a choice, serve, volunteer or go to jail; but passive resistance doesn’t seem to be the libertarian way. You wont volunteer, you don’t think anything should be asked of you, but somehow you want all the benefits of freedom without lifting a finger. You would protect your property, but don’t consider that you live in a society and can’t stand alone if the rest is devastated. I do realize that some of you on this platform have been in the military, but it is not the norm. If I have got this wrong, then you should think about how you describe yourselves.

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