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ziv wolf

> Defense of large corporations just because they are not government entities is not “libertarian” or “liberal”.

Other than that observation AL, I agree with your comment.

The “Founding Fathers” libertarian-like ideology I spoke of was more in line with Jefferson, Madison, Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalists), and to a certain extent George Washington.

Hamilton would be the opposition to them(Federalist, non-libertarian, mercantilist, elitist, global corporate oligarchist).

I agree with Tarran, the State of the Union is that the Hamilton philosophy was clearly the winner. We are a Hamilton styled state, that only pays lip service to true libertarian ideals.

If we can agree that Hamilton represents corporate greed, and that Jefferson represents libertarian values, one could ask the question, which one of the two would support exploitation of the working class? Which would support massive importation of cheap labor to depress wages?

Obviously, Hamilton would support it, and Jefferson would be against it.

The Liberty that Jefferson wanted was freedom from massive central government, and from oppressive mercantilism.

We should not be fooled when the false libertarian Oligarchists claim they support liberty, when they really want to oppress the lesser classes. The only liberty they really want is to pay you nothing, and to hold all of the cards. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Opposition to concentrated power is part of libertarianism.

Don’t be fooled when the richest men in the world claim that their exploitation of labor is “libertarian” or liberal. Their motivation should be transparent.

Jefferson would enjoy Lou Dobbs, and he would vote for Ron Paul.

And don’t forget, tarrifs were Jefferson’s ideal method for funding the government. Our current income tax system is another Hamilton inspired travesty…

I just want to say a simple word, shame on you as an American, are you afraid to compete with those foreign workers? You said you are a manager, but after I read your comment, I think you need to get fired ASAP! Don’t you know that our logo (in Microsoft) is “Pride in diversity” ?

Regarding to money spent during college years, Mr Steve, do you ever heard a full scholarship for a student who is not wealthy enough but has the ability to win in the competitive application pool? this is would also apply how HR department recruit people, am I right Mr Steve? You need to be eligible in the competitive pool to be accepted in the company. Can Microsoft survive until now if it is only based on nationality but not quality?, what can you offer to us is the most important thing, not your passport!

Rahul Sharma, do you really know him in Microsoft at Redmond Campus? I think you just made that up, don’t you?

Also, I think, foreigners have the right to work here in US the same as US citizens that work in foreign country. Think about that!

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A. Shirley

Let me just clarify a few things. First of all, I can only speak for MYSELF. I’ve never been to India and don’t know what the economy is like back there.

In my country, the demand for the particular skills that I’ve studied is not that high, therefore it makes more sense to be here.

About the government and the “GENEROSITY”. I understand there are rules and regulations for something. However, how many of us (Non-residents and residents) have enough money to “go to school” and just that? Because I’m not from a well off family means that I shouldn’t be able to get an education if I can’t pay cash for it up front?

This line “So, get a PHD and you will not be lumped with the rest of the crowd” was also a bit amusing. Again this comes back to the fact that these things cost money Steve. I guess being blessed and working at Microsoft doesn’t allow you to understand certain things that other people go through. To get a PHD I need some starter money. I need to pay off loans, these things cost money. Which is the entire point of the H1B application. Buy myself a couple years to pay some bills then get back into school.

To cut long story short. I would like to modify my last statement, since that’s what seems to have gotten you all heat. You’re right I should not be entitled to work here, on that you are correct. However I do feel that I should be entitled to a CHANCE to work here. You are trying to paint the “lazy immigrant” picture here where it does not apply. I’ve worked hard and for that I feel a chance is little to ask. And 65/150+ doesn’t seem to be a fair chance.

But, such is life. I do take comfort in knowing that arrogance and closed mindedness such as yours is not shared by all citizens of this country.

P.S. On another note. I believe that more regulations need to be taken with respect to alternative methods of staying in this country. I guess I should just get pregnant (Kind of hard with no female organs) then sit here and get welfare? Or maybe I should just front a nice young lady some money and have a pretend marriage. Then I would be here for good.

Why does the RIGHT and moral way to do something always seem to be the one with most resistance?

I think americanlibertarian is thinking of the Mercantilist wing of the founding fathers who were decidedly illiberal: guys like Madison and Hamilton.

The idea that most of the founding fathers were libertarians is laughable. A case may be made for Jefferson and some of the other Anti-Federalists being libertarian (although their tolerance of slavery I think fatally undermines any argument to that effect). Additionally, even Hamilton despite his love of tax and spend government seems libertarian today when compared to the mainstream of political thought, mainly because he underestimated how much government intervention the public would tolerate.

However, in the end, the government we have today is the logical result of the government Hamilton called for. There is no way one can consider Alexander Hamilton a libertarian. Mercantilism, whether the 18th century variety or the 21th century variety remains inherently unlibertarian.

I just checked the spam filter, and it was found in there… I’ve approved it, so it has now shown up above. I’m not sure why it was flagged as spam, though.