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		<title>By: Trumpetbob15</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25722</link>
		<dc:creator>Trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tarran,

Sorry, but I didn&#039;t make myself clear.  I was not referring to people on this blog, else it wouldn&#039;t exist.  I was merely pointing out that those in the media who complain about Bush focus on him rather than on his actions, and that they would be happy with the Clinton&#039;s acting the same way.

On that note, however, after re-reading Reg&#039;s comment, there were some people with guns who tried to ignore Clinton&#039;s policies at Waco.  The government quickly overpowered them.  Maybe it has been too long, and I might be too young to remember right afterwards, but I seem to recall seeing the same gun rights advocates out in force advocating with Bill Clinton, rather than against his administration&#039;s actions.

Perhaps some day a debate will be enough.  Then again, this country wasn&#039;t founded on a debate alone so it would be unwise to assume a different fate in the future.  It is important that this site exists to continue to illuminate exactly what the media won&#039;t show so that we all can know exactly what is going on and then can fight accordingly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarran,</p>
<p>Sorry, but I didn&#8217;t make myself clear.  I was not referring to people on this blog, else it wouldn&#8217;t exist.  I was merely pointing out that those in the media who complain about Bush focus on him rather than on his actions, and that they would be happy with the Clinton&#8217;s acting the same way.</p>
<p>On that note, however, after re-reading Reg&#8217;s comment, there were some people with guns who tried to ignore Clinton&#8217;s policies at Waco.  The government quickly overpowered them.  Maybe it has been too long, and I might be too young to remember right afterwards, but I seem to recall seeing the same gun rights advocates out in force advocating with Bill Clinton, rather than against his administration&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>Perhaps some day a debate will be enough.  Then again, this country wasn&#8217;t founded on a debate alone so it would be unwise to assume a different fate in the future.  It is important that this site exists to continue to illuminate exactly what the media won&#8217;t show so that we all can know exactly what is going on and then can fight accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25715</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Trumpetbob,

I disagree.

I for one would be just as strenously objecting if Clinton was heading the illiberal things.

Granted, Bill Clinton&#039;s oratory would probably ruffle fewer feathers (although his wife, thankfully lacks  her husband&#039;s skill), but there would still be opposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Trumpetbob,</p>
<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>I for one would be just as strenously objecting if Clinton was heading the illiberal things.</p>
<p>Granted, Bill Clinton&#8217;s oratory would probably ruffle fewer feathers (although his wife, thankfully lacks  her husband&#8217;s skill), but there would still be opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Trumpetbob15</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25714</link>
		<dc:creator>Trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reg,

The public isn&#039;t fighting against Bush because he is taking away liberties.  Rather, those that watch the news hate Bush simply because they hate him; no one would have a problem if it were a person named Clinton taking away liberties.  Please keep that in mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg,</p>
<p>The public isn&#8217;t fighting against Bush because he is taking away liberties.  Rather, those that watch the news hate Bush simply because they hate him; no one would have a problem if it were a person named Clinton taking away liberties.  Please keep that in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25709</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reg,

I&#039;m sorry, but I have to ask you to explain what you mean;  Try as  I might, I can&#039;t figure out your argument.

Are you asserting that since we are not rising up to shoot George Bush, we should be disarmed?  If I were to run around screaming bloody murder, they&#039;d toss me in the loony bin.  If were to try to initiate an armed uprising against the United States government, I would be killed, and would hand the government yet another propaganda victory in its campaign to equate non-government-official-gun-owner with dangerous-lunatic in the eyes of the general public.

As to your comments about teaching children not to shoot each other, I would agree.  In fact, both my two year old and 6 year old know never to point a weapon at anyone, even a toy gun.

I&#039;m planning on getting the 6 year old a BB rifle in a few months.  This will be his first weapon that fires a projectile, and he will be learning much more about gun safety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I have to ask you to explain what you mean;  Try as  I might, I can&#8217;t figure out your argument.</p>
<p>Are you asserting that since we are not rising up to shoot George Bush, we should be disarmed?  If I were to run around screaming bloody murder, they&#8217;d toss me in the loony bin.  If were to try to initiate an armed uprising against the United States government, I would be killed, and would hand the government yet another propaganda victory in its campaign to equate non-government-official-gun-owner with dangerous-lunatic in the eyes of the general public.</p>
<p>As to your comments about teaching children not to shoot each other, I would agree.  In fact, both my two year old and 6 year old know never to point a weapon at anyone, even a toy gun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m planning on getting the 6 year old a BB rifle in a few months.  This will be his first weapon that fires a projectile, and he will be learning much more about gun safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg Grundie</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25708</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg Grundie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a load of C&amp;@p!

You need to get out from in front of your TV&#039;s and your PC&#039;s.  Get out on the streets and scream blue bloody murder.  Not mumble about obscure (1940&#039;s fer god&#039;s sake!!) demo&#039;s!

I&#039;ll make this nice and simple.  Stop allowing your kids to kill each other by allowing (pretty much unlimited) access to guns.  Yup, guns kill.  

How many people have been killed in debates?

*sigh*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of C&amp;@p!</p>
<p>You need to get out from in front of your TV&#8217;s and your PC&#8217;s.  Get out on the streets and scream blue bloody murder.  Not mumble about obscure (1940&#8242;s fer god&#8217;s sake!!) demo&#8217;s!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make this nice and simple.  Stop allowing your kids to kill each other by allowing (pretty much unlimited) access to guns.  Yup, guns kill.  </p>
<p>How many people have been killed in debates?</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25705</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, while people have not risen up against Bush, they have stopped tyranny, even at the National level within living memory through threats of armed resistance.

The case that immediately leaps to mind was the role they played in lifting agricultural price controls in the U.S. in the late 1940&#039;s.

Essentially, the price caps on meat meant that nobody was selling meat on the market.  Truman had his staff plan an operation by the National Guard (in Michigan I believe) to sweep through farms confiscating livestock.

It was the realization that the soldiers would face armed resistance from farmers, and would have to massacre them that caused him to give up the plan, and lift the price controls.  In contrast, England kept war-time rationing in place for nearly a decade afterwards.

Yes, most of my fellow countrymen are quite passive under the Bush regime. Frighteningly so.  however, this mindset is the product of nearly a century of propaganda that seeks to replace self-reliance with submission to government.  It is not an argument to further disarm the population, but rather an argument against the Prussian system of state schooling which dominates the world today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, while people have not risen up against Bush, they have stopped tyranny, even at the National level within living memory through threats of armed resistance.</p>
<p>The case that immediately leaps to mind was the role they played in lifting agricultural price controls in the U.S. in the late 1940&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Essentially, the price caps on meat meant that nobody was selling meat on the market.  Truman had his staff plan an operation by the National Guard (in Michigan I believe) to sweep through farms confiscating livestock.</p>
<p>It was the realization that the soldiers would face armed resistance from farmers, and would have to massacre them that caused him to give up the plan, and lift the price controls.  In contrast, England kept war-time rationing in place for nearly a decade afterwards.</p>
<p>Yes, most of my fellow countrymen are quite passive under the Bush regime. Frighteningly so.  however, this mindset is the product of nearly a century of propaganda that seeks to replace self-reliance with submission to government.  It is not an argument to further disarm the population, but rather an argument against the Prussian system of state schooling which dominates the world today.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg Grundie</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25704</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg Grundie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So guns will defend democracy?

Really?

Didn&#039;t see anyone with a gun attempt to stop Czar Bush.  Perhaps you should rethink this outstanding concept?  

No, you&#039;re right: Too hard.

Oh well, so much for logic then...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So guns will defend democracy?</p>
<p>Really?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t see anyone with a gun attempt to stop Czar Bush.  Perhaps you should rethink this outstanding concept?  </p>
<p>No, you&#8217;re right: Too hard.</p>
<p>Oh well, so much for logic then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25689</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Eric,

Quick question, which political party, holding both a majority in both houses of Congress and in the presidency, in the wake of 9/11 chose to continue victim disarmament on aircraft?

Hmmm?  

Which political party was dominating in government when it was decided that, in the face of what you call the greatest threat to our nation in its history, decided that a citizen of the United States should not be permitted to defend himself in the skies?

Which political party?

Hmm?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Eric,</p>
<p>Quick question, which political party, holding both a majority in both houses of Congress and in the presidency, in the wake of 9/11 chose to continue victim disarmament on aircraft?</p>
<p>Hmmm?  </p>
<p>Which political party was dominating in government when it was decided that, in the face of what you call the greatest threat to our nation in its history, decided that a citizen of the United States should not be permitted to defend himself in the skies?</p>
<p>Which political party?</p>
<p>Hmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/17/its-not-about-the-guns/#comment-25687</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And of course, if this had been Republicans pushing for some violations of our civil liberties, you all would have led off with that fact as the Headline in the story.  

As it is, not a single mention in your entire article that this is being proposed by the DEMOCRAT-SUPPORTING NY Times, and Liberals.  

I guess here at Liberty Papers only partisan affliation is identified when it&#039;s a chance to bash Republicans.  And if Rudy Giuliani has anything to do with it, it&#039;s a double whammy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, if this had been Republicans pushing for some violations of our civil liberties, you all would have led off with that fact as the Headline in the story.  </p>
<p>As it is, not a single mention in your entire article that this is being proposed by the DEMOCRAT-SUPPORTING NY Times, and Liberals.  </p>
<p>I guess here at Liberty Papers only partisan affliation is identified when it&#8217;s a chance to bash Republicans.  And if Rudy Giuliani has anything to do with it, it&#8217;s a double whammy.</p>
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