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	<title>Comments on: Have We Created A Nation Of Wimps ?</title>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/have-we-created-a-nation-of-wimps/#comment-26680</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of the students did what most of us would have done with no training or prior thought on what to do:  froze like a deer in the headlights.  I can&#039;t fault them for that, or for running.

I think, however, had one student made some effort to stop what was happening, or even started giving instructions, others would have followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of the students did what most of us would have done with no training or prior thought on what to do:  froze like a deer in the headlights.  I can&#8217;t fault them for that, or for running.</p>
<p>I think, however, had one student made some effort to stop what was happening, or even started giving instructions, others would have followed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/have-we-created-a-nation-of-wimps/#comment-26293</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I am not trying to second guess the students. Remember that, after killing the two students in the dorm, Cho shot another 45 people (killing 30). I believe he fired approximately 180 rounds. There are so many variables - distance he was from every student, degree of separation every student was relative to Cho, his aiming accuracy, etc. If, as the doctors have stated, he shot everyone at least 3 times each, then did he shoot each person multiple times in succession, or did his shooting pattern return back to prior victims? How many students were shot in the back (possibly indicating they were retreating)? I don&#039;t suppose we&#039;ll ever get a clear picture of how it transpired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I am not trying to second guess the students. Remember that, after killing the two students in the dorm, Cho shot another 45 people (killing 30). I believe he fired approximately 180 rounds. There are so many variables &#8211; distance he was from every student, degree of separation every student was relative to Cho, his aiming accuracy, etc. If, as the doctors have stated, he shot everyone at least 3 times each, then did he shoot each person multiple times in succession, or did his shooting pattern return back to prior victims? How many students were shot in the back (possibly indicating they were retreating)? I don&#8217;t suppose we&#8217;ll ever get a clear picture of how it transpired.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/have-we-created-a-nation-of-wimps/#comment-26095</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that people were tangled together? 

I remember one class I took in college, where the seats were so closely packed that even getting out of the desks in the front row required the cooperation of ones neighbors.

In press of panicking and falling bodies, it may be that those who wished to rush the gunman might have been hopelessly mired in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that people were tangled together? </p>
<p>I remember one class I took in college, where the seats were so closely packed that even getting out of the desks in the front row required the cooperation of ones neighbors.</p>
<p>In press of panicking and falling bodies, it may be that those who wished to rush the gunman might have been hopelessly mired in place.</p>
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		<title>By: grafted branch</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/have-we-created-a-nation-of-wimps/#comment-26091</link>
		<dc:creator>grafted branch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty...true enough.  My comment was posted before those details were released.  I will always err on the side of grace, choosing to believe the best about people until I know otherwise.

I, too, am disturbed by the stories of &quot;playing possum&quot; that are coming out, but still -- without some organization amongst their numbers (which perhaps they had not time for) I don&#039;t know what would have been reasonable to expect from them.  

One individual at a time, coming at Cho head on would have simply been &quot;picked off&quot; before he could have fully come to his feet.

Suffice it to say it was an unimaginable terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty&#8230;true enough.  My comment was posted before those details were released.  I will always err on the side of grace, choosing to believe the best about people until I know otherwise.</p>
<p>I, too, am disturbed by the stories of &#8220;playing possum&#8221; that are coming out, but still &#8212; without some organization amongst their numbers (which perhaps they had not time for) I don&#8217;t know what would have been reasonable to expect from them.  </p>
<p>One individual at a time, coming at Cho head on would have simply been &#8220;picked off&#8221; before he could have fully come to his feet.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say it was an unimaginable terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They just didnâ€™t know what, where, why or who was in danger.&quot;

Yes, it is very difficult to try and second guess the thoughts going through the students when Cho was shooting everyone in a classroom multiple times each. Yet it shouldn&#039;t take very long for the brain to process the information that everyone in the classroom was being shot multiple times each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They just didnâ€™t know what, where, why or who was in danger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it is very difficult to try and second guess the thoughts going through the students when Cho was shooting everyone in a classroom multiple times each. Yet it shouldn&#8217;t take very long for the brain to process the information that everyone in the classroom was being shot multiple times each.</p>
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		<title>By: grafted branch</title>
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		<dc:creator>grafted branch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big difference between VT and flight 93, don&#039;t you think, was time to think?  Time to plan.  Time to talk to spouses and parents.  Time to realize what in the world was going on!  

Those people at Virginia Tech couldn&#039;t know how many or few gunmen there were.  They couldn&#039;t have known if it was a targeted killing or an ambush.  They just didn&#039;t know what, where, why or who was in danger.

Should the deaths of the hero-professors (and there was more than one) have been in vain by the impulsive, blind movement of the very students they were trying to save? 

Combat readiness through military training would surely benefit our civilian ranks, but who is willing to mandate that of our young men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big difference between VT and flight 93, don&#8217;t you think, was time to think?  Time to plan.  Time to talk to spouses and parents.  Time to realize what in the world was going on!  </p>
<p>Those people at Virginia Tech couldn&#8217;t know how many or few gunmen there were.  They couldn&#8217;t have known if it was a targeted killing or an ambush.  They just didn&#8217;t know what, where, why or who was in danger.</p>
<p>Should the deaths of the hero-professors (and there was more than one) have been in vain by the impulsive, blind movement of the very students they were trying to save? </p>
<p>Combat readiness through military training would surely benefit our civilian ranks, but who is willing to mandate that of our young men?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t feel guilty about &quot;blaming the students.&quot;  As far as I&#039;m concerned, all of us are to blame for the fact that these students largely weren&#039;t prepared to fight back and defend themselves.  Society as a whole failed them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t feel guilty about &#8220;blaming the students.&#8221;  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, all of us are to blame for the fact that these students largely weren&#8217;t prepared to fight back and defend themselves.  Society as a whole failed them.</p>
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