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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25931</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, quoting Revelation to an atheist doesn&#039;t get you too far...  But I have to take issue with you on this...

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Greed and corruption have resulted in expanding deserts and tremendous loss of productive land. Acid rain and radioactive clouds have damaged large areas. Food sources have been polluted. The air we breathe and the water we drink are contaminated. Industrial wastes threaten life on land and in the sea.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

All this, and we&#039;re living longer, healthier lives.  Food output is high enough that we have to pay farmers not to farm.  What pollutants are in the food supply?  And I&#039;d say with the recent organic craze, you have plenty of choices for &quot;non-polluted&quot; food, if you&#039;re actually worried about it.  Our water is quite clean.  Not sure what damage have been caused by acid rain and radioactive clouds; it doesn&#039;t seem to be affecting any aspect of life that I can find.  Not sure what life is threatened by industrial wastes, as I sit here looking out at a clear blue sky and lush, healthy foliage right outside my window.

So while you&#039;re making some wonderful accusations about just how bad things have gotten, it seems to me that things are constantly getting better.  About the only thing we may agree on is that warfare is generally bad and damaging to both economies and the environment.  But I guess when you start giving governments huge amounts of money, they need to justify their existence.  Wars do a great job of that, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, quoting Revelation to an atheist doesn&#8217;t get you too far&#8230;  But I have to take issue with you on this&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Greed and corruption have resulted in expanding deserts and tremendous loss of productive land. Acid rain and radioactive clouds have damaged large areas. Food sources have been polluted. The air we breathe and the water we drink are contaminated. Industrial wastes threaten life on land and in the sea.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>All this, and we&#8217;re living longer, healthier lives.  Food output is high enough that we have to pay farmers not to farm.  What pollutants are in the food supply?  And I&#8217;d say with the recent organic craze, you have plenty of choices for &#8220;non-polluted&#8221; food, if you&#8217;re actually worried about it.  Our water is quite clean.  Not sure what damage have been caused by acid rain and radioactive clouds; it doesn&#8217;t seem to be affecting any aspect of life that I can find.  Not sure what life is threatened by industrial wastes, as I sit here looking out at a clear blue sky and lush, healthy foliage right outside my window.</p>
<p>So while you&#8217;re making some wonderful accusations about just how bad things have gotten, it seems to me that things are constantly getting better.  About the only thing we may agree on is that warfare is generally bad and damaging to both economies and the environment.  But I guess when you start giving governments huge amounts of money, they need to justify their existence.  Wars do a great job of that, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25929</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please take notice of what our Creataor states about those ruining the earth!

â€œBut the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, â€¦â€¦ and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.â€ (Revelation 11:18) From 1914 onward the nations of the world have fiercely expressed their wrath against one another, against Godâ€™s Kingdom. 
 Throughout history the nations have been ruining the earth by their incessant warfare and bad management. Since 1914, however, this ruination has escalated to an alarming degree. Greed and corruption have resulted in expanding deserts and tremendous loss of productive land. Acid rain and radioactive clouds have damaged large areas. Food sources have been polluted. The air we breathe and the water we drink are contaminated. Industrial wastes threaten life on land and in the sea. At one time, the superpowers threatened complete ruination by way of nuclear annihilation of all humankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take notice of what our Creataor states about those ruining the earth!</p>
<p>â€œBut the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, â€¦â€¦ and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.â€ (Revelation 11:18) From 1914 onward the nations of the world have fiercely expressed their wrath against one another, against Godâ€™s Kingdom.<br />
 Throughout history the nations have been ruining the earth by their incessant warfare and bad management. Since 1914, however, this ruination has escalated to an alarming degree. Greed and corruption have resulted in expanding deserts and tremendous loss of productive land. Acid rain and radioactive clouds have damaged large areas. Food sources have been polluted. The air we breathe and the water we drink are contaminated. Industrial wastes threaten life on land and in the sea. At one time, the superpowers threatened complete ruination by way of nuclear annihilation of all humankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25902</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the fact that switching to ethanol won&#039;t necessarily reduce our carbon emissions. This is a pretty clear example of how promoting one technology over others is a dumb idea--what&#039;s really needed are proper incentives so that the market can work out what&#039;s the best solution. (Like better CAFE standards or a carbon tax.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the fact that switching to ethanol won&#8217;t necessarily reduce our carbon emissions. This is a pretty clear example of how promoting one technology over others is a dumb idea&#8211;what&#8217;s really needed are proper incentives so that the market can work out what&#8217;s the best solution. (Like better CAFE standards or a carbon tax.)</p>
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		<title>By: MrX_TLO</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25889</link>
		<dc:creator>MrX_TLO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dedicated E85 fuel is foolish because it would not only outstrip domestic supply but also requires new cars, tanks and pumps.

Transitioning all gas to E10 in an orderly manner is a much more efficient tactic because it works with existing vehicals and fuel delivery infrastructure.

It also cuts oil imports faster because 10% of all gas for all cars is alot more than 85% of gas for only a fraction of new vehicals.

At 10% ethanol has other benefits as well.  It replaces detergents in keeping the engine cleaner and anti-knock agents for reducing engine ping and allowing higher compression ratios meaning more power out of the same size engine.

So it&#039;s not the ultimate solution to our oil dependency but it helps now and we can do it now with the cars and equipment we have now, not some at some constantly receeding 10 year horizon like Hydrogen has been for decades.  (feel free to look it up, 30 years ago they told us we could have Hydrogen cars in 10 years)

Yes E10!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dedicated E85 fuel is foolish because it would not only outstrip domestic supply but also requires new cars, tanks and pumps.</p>
<p>Transitioning all gas to E10 in an orderly manner is a much more efficient tactic because it works with existing vehicals and fuel delivery infrastructure.</p>
<p>It also cuts oil imports faster because 10% of all gas for all cars is alot more than 85% of gas for only a fraction of new vehicals.</p>
<p>At 10% ethanol has other benefits as well.  It replaces detergents in keeping the engine cleaner and anti-knock agents for reducing engine ping and allowing higher compression ratios meaning more power out of the same size engine.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not the ultimate solution to our oil dependency but it helps now and we can do it now with the cars and equipment we have now, not some at some constantly receeding 10 year horizon like Hydrogen has been for decades.  (feel free to look it up, 30 years ago they told us we could have Hydrogen cars in 10 years)</p>
<p>Yes E10!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25886</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyrrik,

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m impugning conservatives too...  After all, this whole ethanol mandate is a big giveaway from Republicans to the farming interests.  The conservatives and leftists worked together to screw us on this one, with conservatives helping farmers, and leftists preaching about the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrrik,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m impugning conservatives too&#8230;  After all, this whole ethanol mandate is a big giveaway from Republicans to the farming interests.  The conservatives and leftists worked together to screw us on this one, with conservatives helping farmers, and leftists preaching about the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrrik Dresden</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25885</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrrik Dresden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, gasohol/ethanol seems to be a pretty poor choice as an alternative energy source for a number of reasons.

But the focus of your post seems more concerned with impugning liberals than with ethanol.

I must have stumbled into the wrong chat room!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, gasohol/ethanol seems to be a pretty poor choice as an alternative energy source for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>But the focus of your post seems more concerned with impugning liberals than with ethanol.</p>
<p>I must have stumbled into the wrong chat room!</p>
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		<title>By: trumpetbob15</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/04/19/save-the-planet-oppose-ethanol/#comment-25880</link>
		<dc:creator>trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

Actually, this fits in with the enviromentalists&#039; plan.  Now they have a reason to ban cars.  &quot;See, we even tried to find a safe fuel but that didn&#039;t work.&quot;  Though I wonder if any of them have ever lived with horses.  Although I haven&#039;t, it isn&#039;t something I really wanted to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Actually, this fits in with the enviromentalists&#8217; plan.  Now they have a reason to ban cars.  &#8220;See, we even tried to find a safe fuel but that didn&#8217;t work.&#8221;  Though I wonder if any of them have ever lived with horses.  Although I haven&#8217;t, it isn&#8217;t something I really wanted to try.</p>
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