Comments on: House Sustains Bush’s Iraq Veto; What’s The Plan Now ? http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:11:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Michael http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26657 Michael Thu, 03 May 2007 13:29:21 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26657 Mmm...I don't know. I would consider cutting Dubya's salary more of a threat if he didn't have other sources of income. I will be sincerely surprised if he isn't showered with lavish gifts after he no longer occupies the White House. His tax cuts have created a lot of grateful people among large corporations and wealthy families. Mmm…I don’t know. I would consider cutting Dubya’s salary more of a threat if he didn’t have other sources of income. I will be sincerely surprised if he isn’t showered with lavish gifts after he no longer occupies the White House. His tax cuts have created a lot of grateful people among large corporations and wealthy families.

]]> By: Newt http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26654 Newt Thu, 03 May 2007 12:55:31 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26654 What they SHOULD have done is threaten to cut Bush's pay by, I dunno, maybe 50% unless he got behind leaving Iraq. "If you're not going to lead, you won't be PAID to be a leader." It would have been a very effective rallying cry, because people secretly love punishment. It also might have actually moved Bush - he doesn't give a fig what happens to "the troops," but you can bet the piker watches HIS wallet. What they SHOULD have done is threaten to cut Bush’s pay by, I dunno, maybe 50% unless he got behind leaving Iraq.

“If you’re not going to lead, you won’t be PAID to be a leader.” It would have been a very effective rallying cry, because people secretly love punishment. It also might have actually moved Bush – he doesn’t give a fig what happens to “the troops,” but you can bet the piker watches HIS wallet.

]]> By: Michael http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26629 Michael Thu, 03 May 2007 04:01:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26629 I apologize; I didn't mean to imply that withdrawal from Iraq would be easy. The insurgents will dog our military every step of the way, just like the Afghan tribes did to the Soviets when they finally withdrew. I'm saying that forcing the issue of withdrawal is easy: keep up the stalemate if the President won't sign a law enforcing a timetable for an end to our occupation. By denying the funds necessary for prolonging the war, the Democrats can force the Pentagon to use the money already allocated to them to begin the withdrawal. Our Glorious Leader can't fund the war without the support of Congress unless he wants to add another impeachable offense to his growing list. Stalemate IS an option, and it may be the only one given Republican support for the war. Don't kid yourselves: this country is already in the grips of a crisis unlike anything it has seen in its history. We've never gone so far down the path of turning an elected Executive into a monarch, and I can only hope that we have the courage to turn back now. I apologize; I didn’t mean to imply that withdrawal from Iraq would be easy. The insurgents will dog our military every step of the way, just like the Afghan tribes did to the Soviets when they finally withdrew. I’m saying that forcing the issue of withdrawal is easy: keep up the stalemate if the President won’t sign a law enforcing a timetable for an end to our occupation. By denying the funds necessary for prolonging the war, the Democrats can force the Pentagon to use the money already allocated to them to begin the withdrawal. Our Glorious Leader can’t fund the war without the support of Congress unless he wants to add another impeachable offense to his growing list.

Stalemate IS an option, and it may be the only one given Republican support for the war. Don’t kid yourselves: this country is already in the grips of a crisis unlike anything it has seen in its history. We’ve never gone so far down the path of turning an elected Executive into a monarch, and I can only hope that we have the courage to turn back now.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26620 Doug Mataconis Thu, 03 May 2007 02:56:30 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26620 Kevin, If you are right, then I'm thinking that this country will face a crisis unlike anything it's ever seen. Stalemate isn't really an option. Leaving tomorrow isn't an option either. Anyone who thinks that withdrawal from Iraq will be easy is kidding themselves. Kevin,

If you are right, then I’m thinking that this country will face a crisis unlike anything it’s ever seen.

Stalemate isn’t really an option. Leaving tomorrow isn’t an option either.

Anyone who thinks that withdrawal from Iraq will be easy is kidding themselves.

]]> By: Michael http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26610 Michael Thu, 03 May 2007 01:16:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26610 I'm happy to be a nutroot. The war is not going to end well, so we may as well bow out as gracefully as possible. No amount of intervention on our part is going to quell the insanity and violence over there, and we've already ignored requests from the Iraqi people and government to leave. It's time to start the withdrawal, either through compromise or by simply denying additional funds. Let the stalemate continue. Aside from bad press, the worst it will do is force the military to destroy sensitive equipment that it's forced to abandon. No soldier will be left without food or ammunition because of it. I’m happy to be a nutroot. The war is not going to end well, so we may as well bow out as gracefully as possible. No amount of intervention on our part is going to quell the insanity and violence over there, and we’ve already ignored requests from the Iraqi people and government to leave. It’s time to start the withdrawal, either through compromise or by simply denying additional funds.

Let the stalemate continue. Aside from bad press, the worst it will do is force the military to destroy sensitive equipment that it’s forced to abandon. No soldier will be left without food or ammunition because of it.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26594 Kevin Wed, 02 May 2007 23:51:44 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26594 <blockquote><i>The Bush Administration will never accept deadlines for withdrawal, so what I expect to see are benchmarks set for the Iraqi Government to meet in order for US military and economic aid to continue. In conjunction with this, I would expect to see the Bush Administration take a harder line with the Malki Government in Baghdad. If, and probably when, those benchmarks are not met, the United States will begin the gradual process of letting the Iraqi people commit national suicide.</i></blockquote> Many war opponents will <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/2/14520/05465" rel="nofollow">never go along with this.</a> Also, war supporters, <a href="http://victorycaucus.com/" rel="nofollow">won't go along with benchmarks</a>. My guess is, the Democrats, egged on by the nutroots and with <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/05/parsing_the_polls_no_room_for.html" rel="nofollow">some polls</a> supporting their position of not enacting an Iraq bill without a withdrawal date; will not send a bill Bush wants. There will be a stalemate until the military is so broke it cannot fight any longer or Bush turns public opinion his way.

The Bush Administration will never accept deadlines for withdrawal, so what I expect to see are benchmarks set for the Iraqi Government to meet in order for US military and economic aid to continue. In conjunction with this, I would expect to see the Bush Administration take a harder line with the Malki Government in Baghdad. If, and probably when, those benchmarks are not met, the United States will begin the gradual process of letting the Iraqi people commit national suicide.

Many war opponents will never go along with this. Also, war supporters, won’t go along with benchmarks.

My guess is, the Democrats, egged on by the nutroots and with some polls supporting their position of not enacting an Iraq bill without a withdrawal date; will not send a bill Bush wants. There will be a stalemate until the military is so broke it cannot fight any longer or Bush turns public opinion his way.

]]> By: Michael http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26590 Michael Wed, 02 May 2007 23:44:15 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26590 The Democrats and the American people need to stop buying into the propaganda that defunding the war is the same as leaving the troops in the lurch. If Congress were to simply cut off all funds immediately, the troops would still have enough money to get out. It wouldn't necessarily be pretty or orderly, but the funds would still be there to sustain them before all the money ran dry. These appropriations aren't for immediate need, they're for future use. To truly win this and force Bush out of his illegal war, the Democrats need to remind people the truth: cutting funding does not abandon the troops, it forces the Pentagon to begin withdrawal sooner than Bush would like. The Democrats and the American people need to stop buying into the propaganda that defunding the war is the same as leaving the troops in the lurch. If Congress were to simply cut off all funds immediately, the troops would still have enough money to get out. It wouldn’t necessarily be pretty or orderly, but the funds would still be there to sustain them before all the money ran dry.

These appropriations aren’t for immediate need, they’re for future use. To truly win this and force Bush out of his illegal war, the Democrats need to remind people the truth: cutting funding does not abandon the troops, it forces the Pentagon to begin withdrawal sooner than Bush would like.

]]> By: Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » The Next Step On Iraq http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26584 Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » The Next Step On Iraq Wed, 02 May 2007 23:12:34 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/02/house-sustains-bushs-iraq-veto-whats-the-plan-now/#comment-26584 [...] got my own theory, and I’ve written about it at The Liberty Papers.   [...] [...] got my own theory, and I’ve written about it at The Liberty Papers.   [...]

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