Comments on: Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, Who’s Right? http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29387 Joseph Fields Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:18:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29387 First of all, The US "interests" in foreign lands???? If we want to maintain OUR sovereignty we need to respect the sovereignty of OTHERS. Kind of a "golden rule" that applies to Nations as well as individuals. Second....who CARES what happens to Israel? What have they done for us lately???? An aniversary is coming up in a few days....se www.ussliberty.org Holding water for a foreign country is unamerican and NOT conservative. Let's put America first.... First of all, The US “interests” in foreign lands????
If we want to maintain OUR sovereignty we need to respect the sovereignty of OTHERS. Kind of a “golden rule” that applies to Nations as well as individuals.
Second….who CARES what happens to Israel? What have they done for us lately???? An aniversary is coming up in a few days….se http://www.ussliberty.org
Holding water for a foreign country is unamerican and NOT conservative. Let’s put America first….

]]> By: someguy http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29385 someguy Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:52:02 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29385 sorry, accidentally pushed the wrong button and posted that. As a final humorous memento, I found it interesting to hear some people trying to justify FDR and Perl Harbor, and then, if they believed that GB caused 911, condemning him. sorry, accidentally pushed the wrong button and posted that.

As a final humorous memento, I found it interesting to hear some people trying to justify FDR and Perl Harbor, and then, if they believed that GB caused 911, condemning him.

]]> By: someguy http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29384 someguy Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:50:34 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29384 whether each was a set-up is irrelevant to the point above. Even if George Bush planned 911, it still doesn't change the reality of OBL, and Al Queda Terrorists that are attacking US interests in foreign lands and in the case of 911 at home. Because of this threat, the US must act in its interest and attempt to quell these fanatics before they butcher all of Israel. whether each was a set-up is irrelevant to the point above. Even if George Bush planned 911, it still doesn’t change the reality of OBL, and Al Queda Terrorists that are attacking US interests in foreign lands and in the case of 911 at home. Because of this threat, the US must act in its interest and attempt to quell these fanatics before they butcher all of Israel.

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29371 Joseph Fields Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:43:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29371 "Pearl Harbor" was also a set-up. Roosevelt GOADED Japan into attacking, KNEW exactly when and where the attack would occur, and let it happen because the American people were overwhelmingly AGAINST involvement in the European war. 911 was another set-up, and an INSIDE job. see www.prisonplanet.com and www.americanfreepress.org “Pearl Harbor” was also a set-up. Roosevelt GOADED Japan into attacking, KNEW exactly when and where the attack would occur, and let it happen because the American people were overwhelmingly AGAINST involvement in the European war. 911 was another set-up, and an INSIDE job.
see http://www.prisonplanet.com and http://www.americanfreepress.org

]]> By: I am not drinking the Kool-Aid for GB anymore - Page 2 - TDR Roundtable http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29319 I am not drinking the Kool-Aid for GB anymore - Page 2 - TDR Roundtable Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:19:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-29319 [...] The Liberty Papers »Blog Archive » Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, Who’s Right? May 17, 2007 Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, Who’s Right? The slapping match between Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani at Tuesday night’s Republican debate has ignited a debate on foreign policy. Ron Paul made his controversial remarks ,which I have to disagree with my fellow contributor Doug about, that can be interpreted by a reasonable person as showing moral equivalence between the enforcement of the no fly zones by bombing anti-aircraft positions and radar towers in Iraq from 1991-2003 and the mass murder of over 3,000 civilians in the World Trade Center on 9/11. Having said though, I do not believe that Ron Paul was trying to show moral equivalence instead he was making his point about blowback but was very inarticulate, to say the least. Ron Paul’s position on the causes of terrorism, to paraphrase, is that terrorism is the result of American intervention in the Middle East. Rudy Giuliani’s position on the causes of terrorism, again to paraphrase, is that terrorism is the result of religious fanatics who hate our freedoms. Suffice to say, both men are right on certain aspects and both men are wrong about other aspects. To examine Al-Qaeda’s casus belli we need to examine a document, Osama Bin Laden’s first fatwa against America. In this document, he lays out several grievances he has against the United States as paraphrased by James Joyner: 1) The end of U.S. aid to Israel and the ultimate elimination of that state 2) The removal of U.S. and Western forces from the Arabian peninsula 3) The removal of U.S. and Western military forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Muslim lands 4) The end of U.S. support for the oppression of Muslims by Russia, China, and India 5) The end of U.S. protection for repressive, apostate Muslim regimes in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, et cetera 6) The conservation of the Muslim world’s energy resource and their sale at higher prices Just by these demands alone, we can dismiss Rudy Giuliani’s rhetoric of “they hate us for our freedom” as absurd. We can further dismiss the rhetoric by pointing out that there have been no terrorist attacks in Canada, which is even more socially liberal than the United States; and only isolated incidents in places like Holland which is one of the most hedonistic countries on the Earth. By this lack of depth on such a serious subject, Rudy Giuliani is simply not qualified to be president. "Al-Qaeda is motivated by a jihad ideology that calls for the following: Jihad ideology separates humanity into two hostile blocs: the community of Muslims (Dar ul-Islam), and the infidel non-Muslims (Dar ul-Harb). Allah commands the Muslims to conquer the entire world in order to rule it according to Koranic law. Hence Muslims must wage a perpetual war against those infidels who refuse to submit. This is the motivation for jihad. It is based on the inequality between the community of Allah and the infidels, as was re-emphasized in the Cairo Declaration. The first is a superior group, which must rule the world; the second must submit." Only by learning the ideology can we study the grievances more in depth. We can dismiss the fourth grievance out of hand. The United States has not supported China, India, or Russia in their actions against Islamic insurgencies in their countries. The purpose of the fourth grievance is the same as the grievance against the UN sanctions on Iraq, even though Saddam and UN bureaucrats siphoned off money that should have gone for food and medicine. It is a propaganda ploy designed to increase recruitment from the Arab street. While we do need to point out that there are legitimate grievances against American foreign policy (mostly the support for tyrannical Arab regimes); the main reason why Al-Qaeda is targeting the United States is that the United States is the only country that can stop them from forming the Islamic Caliphate they want. As long as the United States supports “moderate” Arab regimes and Israel, Al-Qaeda will fail to topple them. The question is, should we step out of the way of Al-Qaeda. The answer is clearly, no. To do so will condemn in the short term, the Jews in Israel to another Holocaust and secularists and non-Muslims in the Arab world to virtual slavery. In the long term, Al-Qaeda intends to reconquer first the lands previously held by the Islamic world and then conquer the remaining nations of the House of War. Ron Paul is absolutely wrong when he suggests we should withdrawal from the world, because as the lessons of Pearl Harbor show, the world will eventually come to us. Finally, to leave the Middle East to Al-Qaeda will only tell others that you can change American policy by committing mass murder against American citizens. While you may have grievances against American policy, mass murder is never an acceptable means of expression. That’s what Ron Paul is saying, even though he may not mean to, when he suggests the only solution for terrorism is to give in to terrorist demands. For these naive views of the world, Ron Paul is simply not fit to be president. America, like all nations, has the right to act in its own self-interest and according to its own values. Defeating Islamofascism is in America’s best interest because they will not stop until they rule the world. Just listen to them. However, Ron Paul is correct when he says we cannot be the world’s policeman. We must factor that in when developing the post-Cold War foreign policy. [...] [...] The Liberty Papers »Blog Archive » Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, Who’s Right? May 17, 2007 Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, Who’s Right? The slapping match between Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani at Tuesday night’s Republican debate has ignited a debate on foreign policy. Ron Paul made his controversial remarks ,which I have to disagree with my fellow contributor Doug about, that can be interpreted by a reasonable person as showing moral equivalence between the enforcement of the no fly zones by bombing anti-aircraft positions and radar towers in Iraq from 1991-2003 and the mass murder of over 3,000 civilians in the World Trade Center on 9/11. Having said though, I do not believe that Ron Paul was trying to show moral equivalence instead he was making his point about blowback but was very inarticulate, to say the least. Ron Paul’s position on the causes of terrorism, to paraphrase, is that terrorism is the result of American intervention in the Middle East. Rudy Giuliani’s position on the causes of terrorism, again to paraphrase, is that terrorism is the result of religious fanatics who hate our freedoms. Suffice to say, both men are right on certain aspects and both men are wrong about other aspects. To examine Al-Qaeda’s casus belli we need to examine a document, Osama Bin Laden’s first fatwa against America. In this document, he lays out several grievances he has against the United States as paraphrased by James Joyner: 1) The end of U.S. aid to Israel and the ultimate elimination of that state 2) The removal of U.S. and Western forces from the Arabian peninsula 3) The removal of U.S. and Western military forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Muslim lands 4) The end of U.S. support for the oppression of Muslims by Russia, China, and India 5) The end of U.S. protection for repressive, apostate Muslim regimes in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, et cetera 6) The conservation of the Muslim world’s energy resource and their sale at higher prices Just by these demands alone, we can dismiss Rudy Giuliani’s rhetoric of “they hate us for our freedom” as absurd. We can further dismiss the rhetoric by pointing out that there have been no terrorist attacks in Canada, which is even more socially liberal than the United States; and only isolated incidents in places like Holland which is one of the most hedonistic countries on the Earth. By this lack of depth on such a serious subject, Rudy Giuliani is simply not qualified to be president. “Al-Qaeda is motivated by a jihad ideology that calls for the following: Jihad ideology separates humanity into two hostile blocs: the community of Muslims (Dar ul-Islam), and the infidel non-Muslims (Dar ul-Harb). Allah commands the Muslims to conquer the entire world in order to rule it according to Koranic law. Hence Muslims must wage a perpetual war against those infidels who refuse to submit. This is the motivation for jihad. It is based on the inequality between the community of Allah and the infidels, as was re-emphasized in the Cairo Declaration. The first is a superior group, which must rule the world; the second must submit.” Only by learning the ideology can we study the grievances more in depth. We can dismiss the fourth grievance out of hand. The United States has not supported China, India, or Russia in their actions against Islamic insurgencies in their countries. The purpose of the fourth grievance is the same as the grievance against the UN sanctions on Iraq, even though Saddam and UN bureaucrats siphoned off money that should have gone for food and medicine. It is a propaganda ploy designed to increase recruitment from the Arab street. While we do need to point out that there are legitimate grievances against American foreign policy (mostly the support for tyrannical Arab regimes); the main reason why Al-Qaeda is targeting the United States is that the United States is the only country that can stop them from forming the Islamic Caliphate they want. As long as the United States supports “moderate” Arab regimes and Israel, Al-Qaeda will fail to topple them. The question is, should we step out of the way of Al-Qaeda. The answer is clearly, no. To do so will condemn in the short term, the Jews in Israel to another Holocaust and secularists and non-Muslims in the Arab world to virtual slavery. In the long term, Al-Qaeda intends to reconquer first the lands previously held by the Islamic world and then conquer the remaining nations of the House of War. Ron Paul is absolutely wrong when he suggests we should withdrawal from the world, because as the lessons of Pearl Harbor show, the world will eventually come to us. Finally, to leave the Middle East to Al-Qaeda will only tell others that you can change American policy by committing mass murder against American citizens. While you may have grievances against American policy, mass murder is never an acceptable means of expression. That’s what Ron Paul is saying, even though he may not mean to, when he suggests the only solution for terrorism is to give in to terrorist demands. For these naive views of the world, Ron Paul is simply not fit to be president. America, like all nations, has the right to act in its own self-interest and according to its own values. Defeating Islamofascism is in America’s best interest because they will not stop until they rule the world. Just listen to them. However, Ron Paul is correct when he says we cannot be the world’s policeman. We must factor that in when developing the post-Cold War foreign policy. [...]

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28746 Joseph Fields Fri, 25 May 2007 18:44:11 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28746 A short article on just ONE reason "they" hate us....and our "feedom" (sic) has absolutely NOTHING to do with it..... -J.F.- The 60 Year Old Bleeding Ulcer Posted by Lewis Doherty on: 2007-05-25 17:57:07 in category: General [ Print] Photo: Palestinian refugee shows key to his house which the Jews seized from him. Imagine telling the Jews that all of the property they left behind during World War II was "abandoned" and that they had no right to it which is what the Jews tell the Arabs. Or, imagine stating that these European countries would return Jewish property when the Jews return Arab property. That would be a laugh. The television news has been running the battles between the Lebanese army and the militants in the Palestinian refugee camps with voice overs about the "extremists." Some viewers sit there and actually wonder, refugee camps, what is this all about? These camps are the populations driven out of Israel/Palestine by the Israelis. The Israelis won’t let them return home. While Rice complains about extremists destabilising democratic governments, one must ask who is actually destabilising the governments and preventing democracy from operating. The Palestinians in the camps don’t see themselves as Lebanese and the Lebanese don’t see them as Lebanese. They are displaced people by the actions of the Jews. The Jews won’t let them return because they have stolen their land. If the Palestinians do return, eventually Israel would have a majority Arab government. So this fight in a refugee camp is "news," for America, not because it is really important to the average American, but because it is important to the Jews who dominate the media. The Jews make it important to America by hyping it. After 60 years, the Jews have been unable to live with the non-Jewish populations in their areas. Is this any surprise given their history? Of course, they indicate the problems are caused by everyone else in the world, not them. The Jewish dominated media in the U.S. and groups like AIPAC make sure that the problems the Jews cause become the problems of the U.S. Media Link News Source: A short article on just ONE reason “they” hate us….and our “feedom” (sic) has absolutely NOTHING to do with it…..
-J.F.-

The 60 Year Old Bleeding Ulcer
Posted by Lewis Doherty on: 2007-05-25 17:57:07 in category: General [ Print]

Photo: Palestinian refugee shows key to his house which the Jews seized from him. Imagine telling the Jews that all of the property they left behind during World War II was “abandoned” and that they had no right to it which is what the Jews tell the Arabs. Or, imagine stating that these European countries would return Jewish property when the Jews return Arab property. That would be a laugh.

The television news has been running the battles between the Lebanese army and the militants in the Palestinian refugee camps with voice overs about the “extremists.”

Some viewers sit there and actually wonder, refugee camps, what is this all about?

These camps are the populations driven out of Israel/Palestine by the Israelis. The Israelis won’t let them return home.

While Rice complains about extremists destabilising democratic governments, one must ask who is actually destabilising the governments and preventing democracy from operating.

The Palestinians in the camps don’t see themselves as Lebanese and the Lebanese don’t see them as Lebanese. They are displaced people by the actions of the Jews.

The Jews won’t let them return because they have stolen their land. If the Palestinians do return, eventually Israel would have a majority Arab government.

So this fight in a refugee camp is “news,” for America, not because it is really important to the average American, but because it is important to the Jews who dominate the media. The Jews make it important to America by hyping it.

After 60 years, the Jews have been unable to live with the non-Jewish populations in their areas. Is this any surprise given their history? Of course, they indicate the problems are caused by everyone else in the world, not them.

The Jewish dominated media in the U.S. and groups like AIPAC make sure that the problems the Jews cause become the problems of the U.S.

Media Link

News Source:

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28745 Joseph Fields Fri, 25 May 2007 18:30:21 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28745 Ron Paul and a former top agent for the CIA educate Rudy Giuliani on the realities of "Blow-back: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2007/250507Educating.htm Lesson is...if you don't want trouble, don't go looking for it. Ron Paul and a former top agent for the CIA educate Rudy Giuliani on the realities of “Blow-back: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2007/250507Educating.htm

Lesson is…if you don’t want trouble, don’t go looking for it.

]]> By: uhm http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28712 uhm Fri, 25 May 2007 09:27:00 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28712 <i>"The growth of the official and unofficial Saudi and Jordanian support for the militants is one of the most worrying developments," a senior British officer has told me privately after a visit to Iraq.</i> http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=1147 We need to take the honey pot to Saudi Arabia. “The growth of the official and unofficial Saudi and Jordanian support for the militants is one of the most worrying developments,” a senior British officer has told me privately after a visit to Iraq.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=1147

We need to take the honey pot to Saudi Arabia.

]]> By: Stephen Littau http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28704 Stephen Littau Fri, 25 May 2007 04:37:18 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28704 Kevin: "Your premise has a major flaw, the Nazis declared war on the United States; making your premise irrelevant." That's a very good point. I asked the question because I was trying to understand where Tarran was coming from. Once one nation declares war against another, its completly appropriate to respond with a declaration of war. Gunnar: I tend to agree with your answers to my questions. Kevin:

“Your premise has a major flaw, the Nazis declared war on the United States; making your premise irrelevant.”

That’s a very good point. I asked the question because I was trying to understand where Tarran was coming from. Once one nation declares war against another, its completly appropriate to respond with a declaration of war.

Gunnar:

I tend to agree with your answers to my questions.

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28683 Joseph Fields Fri, 25 May 2007 00:28:40 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28683 Gunnar, I know you won't bother reading anything that challenges your pre-conceived notions, but here is a place you can go to compare the ages old and UNCHANGING teachings of the Church, to the novelties and heresies of the V-2 marrano council: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ also see www.catholiccounterpoint.com BTW...You send me liberal ESTABLISHMENT links like CNN and Time Magazine to prove a case??!!! GET REAL! Gunnar,
I know you won’t bother reading anything that challenges your pre-conceived notions, but here is a place you can go to compare the ages old and UNCHANGING teachings of the Church, to the novelties and heresies of the V-2 marrano council: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/
also see http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com
BTW…You send me liberal ESTABLISHMENT links like CNN and Time Magazine to prove a case??!!! GET REAL!

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28682 Joseph Fields Fri, 25 May 2007 00:18:05 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28682 Gunnar, No you won't "waste your time" with my posts, because you have no valid ARGUMENTS...only ad-hominem attack. If I am a "heretic" then so are all of the Catholics down through the ages...they practiced a Faith VERY different from the one calling itself "Catholic" today. I am a Traditional Roman Catholic and attend Mass at a Chapel run by the Society of St.Pius X ( see www.sspx.org Many loyal Catholics who have a sense of history have recognized the chasm between the Church teaching of the ages and the V-2 sect, therefor many have joined the Traditionalist movement ( Mel Gibson is a good example) As for being a "Nazi"...just another name thrown around by jews and those who revolve around them. You don't bother reading or thinking...that much is obvious from the way you argue...and others can see that too from reading your posts. Gunnar,
No you won’t “waste your time” with my posts, because you have no valid ARGUMENTS…only ad-hominem attack. If I am a “heretic” then so are all of the Catholics down through the ages…they practiced a Faith VERY different from the one calling itself “Catholic” today. I am a Traditional Roman Catholic and attend Mass at a Chapel run by the Society of St.Pius X ( see http://www.sspx.org Many loyal Catholics who have a sense of history have recognized the chasm between the Church teaching of the ages and the V-2 sect, therefor many have joined the Traditionalist movement ( Mel Gibson is a good example) As for being a “Nazi”…just another name thrown around by jews and those who revolve around them.
You don’t bother reading or thinking…that much is obvious from the way you argue…and others can see that too from reading your posts.

]]> By: uhm http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28677 uhm Thu, 24 May 2007 23:37:33 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28677 Our news media is transnationalist run by a bunch of socialist and neo-idiots. My point is they aren't going to listen to us as we continue to support countries like Saudi Arabia, and occupy Muslim land. We send foreign aid (tribute) to these countries of all places. http://www.gopusa.com/opinion/aw_1021.shtml Iraq the Model is this? http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ Our news media is transnationalist run by a bunch of socialist and neo-idiots.

My point is they aren’t going to listen to us as we continue to support countries like Saudi Arabia, and occupy Muslim land. We send foreign aid (tribute) to these countries of all places.
http://www.gopusa.com/opinion/aw_1021.shtml

Iraq the Model is this?
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Gunnar http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28676 Gunnar Thu, 24 May 2007 23:28:53 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28676 >>heretical Vatican II Council By definition, a church council cannot be "heretical". However, claiming so is probably heresy, which causes automatic excommunication. >> He was NOT officially “excommunicated” Yes, he was: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,822681,00.html?iid=chix-sphere Now, since I've determined that you seem to be both a Nazi and a heretic, I won't waste my time with your posts anymore. >>heretical Vatican II Council

By definition, a church council cannot be “heretical”. However, claiming so is probably heresy, which causes automatic excommunication.

>> He was NOT officially “excommunicated”

Yes, he was: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,822681,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

Now, since I’ve determined that you seem to be both a Nazi and a heretic, I won’t waste my time with your posts anymore.

]]> By: Gunnar http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28674 Gunnar Thu, 24 May 2007 23:06:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28674 >> We aren’t going to win the war on ideas You can only fight a war of ideas WITH ideas. And what ideas have we been putting out there? Our MSM is actively supporting the terrorists point of view, encouraging them. Our MSM is Al Jazeera light. >> They see everyday Iraqi children blown to bits Unlike the MSM, most Iraqis aren't so stupid as to believe that Americans are blowing people up. Read Iraq the Model >> We aren’t going to win the war on ideas

You can only fight a war of ideas WITH ideas. And what ideas have we been putting out there? Our MSM is actively supporting the terrorists point of view, encouraging them. Our MSM is Al Jazeera light.

>> They see everyday Iraqi children blown to bits

Unlike the MSM, most Iraqis aren’t so stupid as to believe that Americans are blowing people up. Read Iraq the Model

]]> By: Joseph Fields http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28670 Joseph Fields Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:19 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/17/ron-paul-and-rudy-giuliani-whos-right/#comment-28670 Here's more on Father Feeny and his so-called "heresy" and "excomunication." His only "crime" was defending a dogma of the Catholic Faith against liberals and traitors from within, as this brief bio will tell you: http://www.fatherfeeney.org/other/athan1.html Here’s more on Father Feeny and his so-called “heresy” and “excomunication.” His only “crime” was defending a dogma of the Catholic Faith against liberals and traitors from within, as this brief bio will tell you:
http://www.fatherfeeney.org/other/athan1.html

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