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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul, The Republicans, and the &#8220;Hidden Support&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28598</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, you&#039;ll note I say explicitly in my post that I like and respect Dr. Paul; and agree with him on 90% of the issues; but on this issue alone, I will not vote for him.

I don&#039;t call him a kook; I call the rabid doctrinaire non-intervention, non-agression principle Libertarians kooks (in fact I never explicitly said either in this post or comments, though I did imply the latter); and their behavior in this comment thread alone clearly bears that out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you&#8217;ll note I say explicitly in my post that I like and respect Dr. Paul; and agree with him on 90% of the issues; but on this issue alone, I will not vote for him.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t call him a kook; I call the rabid doctrinaire non-intervention, non-agression principle Libertarians kooks (in fact I never explicitly said either in this post or comments, though I did imply the latter); and their behavior in this comment thread alone clearly bears that out.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkCinPhx</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28594</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkCinPhx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris:
I&#039;ve read your article and the comments, as well as the description of yourself, and the founding reasons for &#039;The Liberty Papers&#039;.  With these in mind, I cannot understand your strong dislike of Dr. Paul.  I understand your disagreement with his stance on Iraq, but not how you can use that to totally disagree with him as a candidate.  Quite simply:  Dr. Paul is the closest candidate to the stated values on your description page, and the description page for this site.  Knocking him, calling him a kook, knocking his supporters, calling them kooks, does little to promote the values that you say you support.  Am I wrong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:<br />
I&#8217;ve read your article and the comments, as well as the description of yourself, and the founding reasons for &#8216;The Liberty Papers&#8217;.  With these in mind, I cannot understand your strong dislike of Dr. Paul.  I understand your disagreement with his stance on Iraq, but not how you can use that to totally disagree with him as a candidate.  Quite simply:  Dr. Paul is the closest candidate to the stated values on your description page, and the description page for this site.  Knocking him, calling him a kook, knocking his supporters, calling them kooks, does little to promote the values that you say you support.  Am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28564</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wait and watch you establishment asshole. My country will be better served by an honest man even if he is wrong than a lying sack of shit that is right.  America needs a wake up call and I hope this is it.  For the first time in 60 years I have someone I trust.  Ron Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait and watch you establishment asshole. My country will be better served by an honest man even if he is wrong than a lying sack of shit that is right.  America needs a wake up call and I hope this is it.  For the first time in 60 years I have someone I trust.  Ron Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Gino</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28298</link>
		<dc:creator>Gino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 22:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see some proof of the &quot;phantom&quot; number that is roaming the political ethereal world promoting more than one candidate. You see the difference between a mainstream candidate supporter and a Paul supporter is the fact that we act out of passion for our views, which he advocates very clearly. It seems very odd I assume and I must admit I feel a little weird about it because I have never been motivated politically like this in my life. The man makes it very easy for me to get involved. I literally feel like this is the unseen opportunity to make this country the majesty that it is supposed to be, and Iâ€™m tired as hell on thinking of the lesser evil. This time I can vote with a clear conscience and vote for principles I believe in. The first things we tell our kids when they begin school are â€œdonâ€™t start any fights; treat other as you want to be treatedâ€. Yet we canâ€™t follow that simple advice as a nation. I donâ€™t have kids yet, but I must assume that when a concerned parent tells their child that, he does so with honesty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see some proof of the &#8220;phantom&#8221; number that is roaming the political ethereal world promoting more than one candidate. You see the difference between a mainstream candidate supporter and a Paul supporter is the fact that we act out of passion for our views, which he advocates very clearly. It seems very odd I assume and I must admit I feel a little weird about it because I have never been motivated politically like this in my life. The man makes it very easy for me to get involved. I literally feel like this is the unseen opportunity to make this country the majesty that it is supposed to be, and Iâ€™m tired as hell on thinking of the lesser evil. This time I can vote with a clear conscience and vote for principles I believe in. The first things we tell our kids when they begin school are â€œdonâ€™t start any fights; treat other as you want to be treatedâ€. Yet we canâ€™t follow that simple advice as a nation. I donâ€™t have kids yet, but I must assume that when a concerned parent tells their child that, he does so with honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28294</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Liberty Paper: Funny enough, unlike the phantom Paul supporters, those people arenâ€™t hidden; theyâ€™re the ones campaigning for Duncan Hunter, and Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompsonâ€¦ or misguidedly supporting Romney because they think that somehow heâ€™s electable and at least better than McCain or Rudy. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Liberty Paper: Funny enough, unlike the phantom Paul supporters, those people arenâ€™t hidden; theyâ€™re the ones campaigning for Duncan Hunter, and Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompsonâ€¦ or misguidedly supporting Romney because they think that somehow heâ€™s electable and at least better than McCain or Rudy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28291</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a strong Ron Paul supporter because of his overall positions regarding the scope of government and a return to a government bound by its founding document, the U.S. Constitution. He is the only one of 20+ candidates - Democratic and Republican - who will surely shrink the role of government and not further expand it.

I&#039;m not a traditional supporter of his position on the War in Iraq, but I&#039;ll admit that he&#039;s been the most consistent, honest, and straightforward of all the candidates in his position on the war. In the first debate, Dr. Paul clearly articulated his views on limited government and eliminating the tax-and-spend culture of Washington, but he barely got noticed outside of the internet. In the second debate the media and Mayor Giuliani, not Dr. Paul, sought to make a big deal of his positions on the war, and it&#039;s help him to gain popularity and exposure.

So lovers of liberty, regardless of their views on the use of American force to oppose tyranny in other nations, should be supporting Ron Paul&#039;s 2008 bid. If his opposition to the war is the thing that it takes to get him national exposure, so be it; the more people who listen to him, the more people will hear his true convictions of liberty, freedom, and returning the government to its constitutional roles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a strong Ron Paul supporter because of his overall positions regarding the scope of government and a return to a government bound by its founding document, the U.S. Constitution. He is the only one of 20+ candidates &#8211; Democratic and Republican &#8211; who will surely shrink the role of government and not further expand it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a traditional supporter of his position on the War in Iraq, but I&#8217;ll admit that he&#8217;s been the most consistent, honest, and straightforward of all the candidates in his position on the war. In the first debate, Dr. Paul clearly articulated his views on limited government and eliminating the tax-and-spend culture of Washington, but he barely got noticed outside of the internet. In the second debate the media and Mayor Giuliani, not Dr. Paul, sought to make a big deal of his positions on the war, and it&#8217;s help him to gain popularity and exposure.</p>
<p>So lovers of liberty, regardless of their views on the use of American force to oppose tyranny in other nations, should be supporting Ron Paul&#8217;s 2008 bid. If his opposition to the war is the thing that it takes to get him national exposure, so be it; the more people who listen to him, the more people will hear his true convictions of liberty, freedom, and returning the government to its constitutional roles.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28288</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[17,500 real people now listed on myspace.

Real people, with real friends to verify they are real, seventeen thousand times over, and I am proud to say I am one of them.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron Paul&#039;s Myspace&lt;/a&gt;

Yup, there is your spam brigade.

17,680 phantom supporters.

Do the math.

I have been involved with the Libertarian Party since 2000.... but something feels really different this time with Ron Paul.  Magic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17,500 real people now listed on myspace.</p>
<p>Real people, with real friends to verify they are real, seventeen thousand times over, and I am proud to say I am one of them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul2008" rel="nofollow">Ron Paul&#8217;s Myspace</a></p>
<p>Yup, there is your spam brigade.</p>
<p>17,680 phantom supporters.</p>
<p>Do the math.</p>
<p>I have been involved with the Libertarian Party since 2000&#8230;. but something feels really different this time with Ron Paul.  Magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28282</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tarran,

Al-Qaeda would probably turn their immediate attention to the moderate Sunni Arab states first until another larger nation comes in as an ally to the Sunni Arab states; then that nation will be become the target.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarran,</p>
<p>Al-Qaeda would probably turn their immediate attention to the moderate Sunni Arab states first until another larger nation comes in as an ally to the Sunni Arab states; then that nation will be become the target.</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28280</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 16:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree js290 securing our border would make a great second step.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree js290 securing our border would make a great second step.</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28279</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points tarran. How about Israel? Wouldn&#039;t hate for Israel be used as a recruitment platform? 

js290, Where did I say that Rudy or any of those Bush clones knew what they were doing? I know Ron Paul is for dealing with the people who actually attacked us on 9/11 but how is he going to go about doing it? During his blowback comment he needed to re-emphasize going after Al Qaedia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points tarran. How about Israel? Wouldn&#8217;t hate for Israel be used as a recruitment platform? </p>
<p>js290, Where did I say that Rudy or any of those Bush clones knew what they were doing? I know Ron Paul is for dealing with the people who actually attacked us on 9/11 but how is he going to go about doing it? During his blowback comment he needed to re-emphasize going after Al Qaedia.</p>
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		<title>By: js290</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28278</link>
		<dc:creator>js290</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The second step is_________ .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home to protect our own borders.  That seems like a legitimate second step...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The second step is_________ .</p></blockquote>
<p>Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home to protect our own borders.  That seems like a legitimate second step&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: js290</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28277</link>
		<dc:creator>js290</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 15:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ron Paul didnâ€™t do himself favors by not addressing his desire to get Osama and how he is going to do that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You must have been swallowing Rudy cum when Ron Paul said the following regarding the ridiculous &quot;hypothetical terrorist&quot; attack question, &quot;We forgot about [bin Laden]... here we have a hypothetical attack, we ought to be dealing with the one (9/11) we have right now.&quot;

As Amy Poehler on SNL&#039;s Weekend Update pointed out:

&quot;A new hummingbird species was discovered in a cloud forest in Colombia, though still nothing on bin Laden.&quot;

So, what are the other candidates going to do about bin Laden?  Hell, what is Dubya doing about bin Laden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ron Paul didnâ€™t do himself favors by not addressing his desire to get Osama and how he is going to do that.</p></blockquote>
<p>You must have been swallowing Rudy cum when Ron Paul said the following regarding the ridiculous &#8220;hypothetical terrorist&#8221; attack question, &#8220;We forgot about [bin Laden]&#8230; here we have a hypothetical attack, we ought to be dealing with the one (9/11) we have right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Amy Poehler on SNL&#8217;s Weekend Update pointed out:</p>
<p>&#8220;A new hummingbird species was discovered in a cloud forest in Colombia, though still nothing on bin Laden.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, what are the other candidates going to do about bin Laden?  Hell, what is Dubya doing about bin Laden?</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28274</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Al Queda is violent.  However, against whom will they direct their violence?  Whomever stands in their way of establishing a caliphate.  They are a political organization that does not waste money on things that don&#039;t advance their cause.

Al Queda would probably focus its energies on fighting the Saudi Monarchy, which can afford to hire good fighters and equipment. Even if Al Queda won and toppled a country, they are going to need money, especially since Al Queda&#039;s tenets seem to discourage local manufacturing.  Thus they will have to import the weapons they need to oppress people etc, and export oil or heroin to pay for it.  People tend not to bomb their customers; it&#039;s bad for repeat business.

Additionally, if the U.S. were not seen as an invader, how much of al Queda&#039;s vision would resonate?  Look, even in the U.S. we have pretty wacky, violent, people. Take the founder of the Aryan nations, for example.  In the main, these guys have trouble even scraping together 40 - 50 followers.  And the quality of their followers are so pathetic that they probably couldn&#039;t successfully attack a church full of Amish kids. 

When Osama bin Laden met with the Saudi Crown Prince to pitch a mujahadeen style resistance to Saddam Hussein, he was laughed out of the meeting.  A major component of his ability to attract competent followers subsequently was the evidence he was able to point to that the U.S. was on a &quot;crusade against Islam&quot;.  If he had not been able to make a strong case, he would have been considered yet another loon suffering from a persecution complex instead of a visionary leader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Al Queda is violent.  However, against whom will they direct their violence?  Whomever stands in their way of establishing a caliphate.  They are a political organization that does not waste money on things that don&#8217;t advance their cause.</p>
<p>Al Queda would probably focus its energies on fighting the Saudi Monarchy, which can afford to hire good fighters and equipment. Even if Al Queda won and toppled a country, they are going to need money, especially since Al Queda&#8217;s tenets seem to discourage local manufacturing.  Thus they will have to import the weapons they need to oppress people etc, and export oil or heroin to pay for it.  People tend not to bomb their customers; it&#8217;s bad for repeat business.</p>
<p>Additionally, if the U.S. were not seen as an invader, how much of al Queda&#8217;s vision would resonate?  Look, even in the U.S. we have pretty wacky, violent, people. Take the founder of the Aryan nations, for example.  In the main, these guys have trouble even scraping together 40 &#8211; 50 followers.  And the quality of their followers are so pathetic that they probably couldn&#8217;t successfully attack a church full of Amish kids. </p>
<p>When Osama bin Laden met with the Saudi Crown Prince to pitch a mujahadeen style resistance to Saddam Hussein, he was laughed out of the meeting.  A major component of his ability to attract competent followers subsequently was the evidence he was able to point to that the U.S. was on a &#8220;crusade against Islam&#8221;.  If he had not been able to make a strong case, he would have been considered yet another loon suffering from a persecution complex instead of a visionary leader.</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28268</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 12:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[js290, Ron Paul got hammered for the part of the equation he left out. The version of Islam Al Qaedia subscribes to is violent. Ron Paul didn&#039;t do himself favors by not addressing his desire to get Osama and how he is going to do that. His opponents are high on declarations of violence but low on ideas. 

He is right that the first step is quit pissing them off. The second step is_________ . It isn&#039;t ignoring them. It isn&#039;t going over there playing hide and go seek.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>js290, Ron Paul got hammered for the part of the equation he left out. The version of Islam Al Qaedia subscribes to is violent. Ron Paul didn&#8217;t do himself favors by not addressing his desire to get Osama and how he is going to do that. His opponents are high on declarations of violence but low on ideas. </p>
<p>He is right that the first step is quit pissing them off. The second step is_________ . It isn&#8217;t ignoring them. It isn&#8217;t going over there playing hide and go seek.</p>
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		<title>By: js290</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/18/ron-paul-the-republicans-and-the-hidden-support/#comment-28255</link>
		<dc:creator>js290</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 07:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Because you canâ€™t debate kook&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Believing in The Golden Rule makes one a kook?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because you canâ€™t debate kook</p></blockquote>
<p>Believing in The Golden Rule makes one a kook?</p>
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