Comments on: Hillary Clinton Meets Karl Marx http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:33:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: trumpetbob15 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29399 trumpetbob15 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:43:07 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29399 Matt, You are sadly mistaken. The latter part of the 19th century was one of the better times for America. You need to realize that corporations that only can exist if they serve customers are much, much different than a corporation that exists because of government subsidies and/or goverment outlawing competition. Without government backing up certain monopolistic powers through laws and regulations (best illustrated by the Post Office and the law banning actual profit making companies from delivering first-class mail), certain companies cannot survive. But should they survive? By the way, Rep. Ron Paul was just on <i>The Daily Show</i> and discussed this very issue. His example was Bill Gates. Sure, Gates is extermally wealthy, but aren't we all better off? (If you are an Apple fan, consider Steve Jobs instead.) Now some governmental types in Europe claim Microsoft is a monopoly, but if so, it is the only one I have heard of with not only a large competitor in Apple, but also random computer geeks trying to bring it down by offering open-source applications and operating systems. Now, if Microsoft were truly like the Post Office, it would lobby Congress and have open-source outlawed. Instead, the free market allows Microsoft to generate profits from those who choose to purchase a computer running Windows while still allowing everybody else to choose to buy a computer running Apple or Linux if they want. Matt,

You are sadly mistaken. The latter part of the 19th century was one of the better times for America. You need to realize that corporations that only can exist if they serve customers are much, much different than a corporation that exists because of government subsidies and/or goverment outlawing competition. Without government backing up certain monopolistic powers through laws and regulations (best illustrated by the Post Office and the law banning actual profit making companies from delivering first-class mail), certain companies cannot survive. But should they survive?

By the way, Rep. Ron Paul was just on The Daily Show and discussed this very issue. His example was Bill Gates. Sure, Gates is extermally wealthy, but aren’t we all better off? (If you are an Apple fan, consider Steve Jobs instead.) Now some governmental types in Europe claim Microsoft is a monopoly, but if so, it is the only one I have heard of with not only a large competitor in Apple, but also random computer geeks trying to bring it down by offering open-source applications and operating systems. Now, if Microsoft were truly like the Post Office, it would lobby Congress and have open-source outlawed. Instead, the free market allows Microsoft to generate profits from those who choose to purchase a computer running Windows while still allowing everybody else to choose to buy a computer running Apple or Linux if they want.

]]> By: Matt http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29397 Matt Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:22:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29397 Josh - The free market has had its chance to work freely, and it failed miserably, almost destroying America in the latter half of the 19th century through the horizontal and vertical integration of Carnegie and Rockefeller, to name to notable offenders. There were more. The fact is you simply cannot trust corporations to look out for anything but what's in their own interests, profit making by any means necessary and monopolizing their particular industry. And there are too many loopholes as is, too many routes by which to screw the consumer. I agree with you insomuch as we need to find a way to check that power, but mass liberalization of the market is, well, stupid. All you need to do is a little history to see that, though. I don't know what Hillary Clinton specifically has in mind, but at the moment I'd at least be willing to hear her out. Josh -

The free market has had its chance to work freely, and it failed miserably, almost destroying America in the latter half of the 19th century through the horizontal and vertical integration of Carnegie and Rockefeller, to name to notable offenders. There were more.

The fact is you simply cannot trust corporations to look out for anything but what’s in their own interests, profit making by any means necessary and monopolizing their particular industry.

And there are too many loopholes as is, too many routes by which to screw the consumer. I agree with you insomuch as we need to find a way to check that power, but mass liberalization of the market is, well, stupid. All you need to do is a little history to see that, though.

I don’t know what Hillary Clinton specifically has in mind, but at the moment I’d at least be willing to hear her out.

]]> By: kevinsmom http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29147 kevinsmom Thu, 31 May 2007 19:04:17 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-29147 Yes, Marx did write Das Kapital. Also ol' Billary Clinrod is/are (I think they're the same person) are apparently building a new house in the Dominican Republic, which figures. We plebes get left behind to deal with the mess that will be left to us, while the ruling elite get to live at our expense. Yes, Marx did write Das Kapital. Also ol’ Billary Clinrod is/are (I think they’re the same person) are apparently building a new house in the Dominican Republic, which figures. We plebes get left behind to deal with the mess that will be left to us, while the ruling elite get to live at our expense.

]]> By: js290 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28993 js290 Wed, 30 May 2007 06:00:19 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28993 Didn't Marx write Das Kapital? Didn’t Marx write Das Kapital?

]]> By: Wild Pegasus http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28991 Wild Pegasus Wed, 30 May 2007 05:50:14 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28991 Interestingly enough, I agree just about completely with her rhetoric. Free markets are an engine of prosperity - it's too bad we don't have them. The rich do get massive subsidies under our current system - we should abolish their special privileges. Growth isn't as important as fairness - stealing someone's land to build a new highway can create growth, but it is unjust. And so on. Problem is, her solutions and mine are diametrically opposed. I support a real engine for fairness, liberty, and economic power - the free market. She believes markets must be managed by an elite, ostensibly to protect the powerless, more likely to ensconce the power of the ruling elite. - Josh Interestingly enough, I agree just about completely with her rhetoric. Free markets are an engine of prosperity – it’s too bad we don’t have them. The rich do get massive subsidies under our current system – we should abolish their special privileges. Growth isn’t as important as fairness – stealing someone’s land to build a new highway can create growth, but it is unjust. And so on. Problem is, her solutions and mine are diametrically opposed. I support a real engine for fairness, liberty, and economic power – the free market. She believes markets must be managed by an elite, ostensibly to protect the powerless, more likely to ensconce the power of the ruling elite.

- Josh

]]> By: trumpetbob15 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28982 trumpetbob15 Wed, 30 May 2007 04:21:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28982 Too bad Hillary won't back up her mouth with her money. I am all willing to try her system of "shared responsibility." If she would only give me access to her bank accounts, I will gladly take on the "responsibility" of spending her money. Oh wait, you mean she doesn't want to actually have to give her money away? Oh darn. I got my hopes again. Too bad Hillary won’t back up her mouth with her money. I am all willing to try her system of “shared responsibility.” If she would only give me access to her bank accounts, I will gladly take on the “responsibility” of spending her money. Oh wait, you mean she doesn’t want to actually have to give her money away? Oh darn. I got my hopes again.

]]> By: Bobby McGee http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28979 Bobby McGee Wed, 30 May 2007 04:04:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28979 Oh come on Stephen. I agree with Douglas Macaroni. Thanks but no thanks. $5/hour min wage is fine for another 20 years. What, me inflation? Hillary just wants the lazy bums to be given free TB/Flu shots on OUR dime. Not to mention giving a chance for american workers to keep their jobs versus training their replacements in india. Down with marxism in the disguise of enlightened-post-WWII-social-democracy as proven workable by all scandanavian governments. i've said too much Oh come on Stephen. I agree with Douglas Macaroni. Thanks but no thanks. $5/hour min wage is fine for another 20 years. What, me inflation? Hillary just wants the lazy bums to be given free TB/Flu shots on OUR dime. Not to mention giving a chance for american workers to keep their jobs versus training their replacements in india. Down with marxism in the disguise of enlightened-post-WWII-social-democracy as proven workable by all scandanavian governments.

i’ve said too much

]]> By: Stephen Littau http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28960 Stephen Littau Tue, 29 May 2007 18:23:51 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/29/hillary-clinton-meets-karl-marx/#comment-28960 But Doug you don't understand. Hillary is so intelligent, she can succeed where, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have failed. Because Hillary is a woman, she is so much more compassionate then these brutes. Hillary's Communism is a "kinder and gentler" Communism. Actually, maybe she can call it "Compassionate Communism" or even better “Motherly Marxism.” What do you think; do you think this could catch on? But Doug you don’t understand. Hillary is so intelligent, she can succeed where, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have failed. Because Hillary is a woman, she is so much more compassionate then these brutes. Hillary’s Communism is a “kinder and gentler” Communism. Actually, maybe she can call it “Compassionate Communism” or even better “Motherly Marxism.” What do you think; do you think this could catch on?

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