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June 19, 2007

Tax Reform Group And Christian Group Snubbing Ron Paul?

by Brad Warbiany

For a guy who wants to do away with the IRS, and is pro-life, this just makes no sense:

Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance will host a presidential candidates forum on Saturday, June 30th in Des Moines. Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, and Tom Tancredo will participate.

Ron Paul, however, will not participate. Why? Because he wasn’t invited.

We heard about this forum from numerous supporters in Iowa who asked why Dr. Paul was not going to participate. Those supporters assumed that Dr. Paul was invited.

The campaign office had not received an invitation so we called this morning; thinking we might have misplaced the invitation or simply overlooked it. Lew Moore, our campaign manager, called Mr. Edward Failor, an officer of Iowans for Tax Relief, to ask about it. To our shock, Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended.

Lew then called Mr. Steve Sheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance, to talk with him. Mr. Sheffler did not answer so Lew left a message. He has yet to respond.

They’ve got guys like Gilmore and Tommy Thompson in there, but no Ron Paul? Huckabee (FairTax proponent) and Brownback (social conservative) I can understand, but there’s no reason guys like Gilmore & Thompson should be ahead of Paul.

This makes no sense to me. What did Ron Paul do to piss these guys off?

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30 Comments

  1. Just like liberals, many establishment conservatives are showing they’d rather ban certain ideas they don’t like, instead of having an open debate about ideas, which they supposedly support. As a conservative myself, I grow tired of the GOP double-speak and hypocrisies.

    Comment by Adam — June 19, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
  2. Because even those who are for Tax reform, or agree with Ron Paul on abortion, don’t agree with him on the major issue – what liberty actually is. The idea that the government shouldn’t be your moral police, or that the government shouldn’t be busy in attempt to build nations, is against what these guys believe in, and people like Ron Paul scare them.

    Comment by Rogel — June 19, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
  3. The event is Co-Sponsored by: Coldwell Banker Mid America Group, Realtors, Krishna Engineering Consultants, Inc, & Light Expressions by Shaw. Might want to contact them also.

    Comment by Sean — June 19, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
  4. Fair Tax:
    Phone: 713-963-9023
    Toll-Free: 1-800-324-7829

    Light Expressions by Shaw
    563-323-3611

    I called and just got busy signals. I will try again tomorrow.

    Comment by Andy — June 19, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
  5. TRUTH scares them away from Ron Paul. They don’t want to hear the truth. I thought about this and came up with a “Ron Paul Test”. If media tells the truth about Ron Paul, they get a “Pass” and a new subscriber. If they Fail, they lose a subscription and respect. You PASS.

    Comment by Jeanette Doney — June 19, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
  6. Check out the comment at this site. It explains a lot about why Dr. Pauls was excluded. Apparently this Edward D. Failor is involved with some kind of corporate control of congress organization know as ALEC. Check it out

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/380#comment-1542

    Interesting eh?

    Comment by John Scott — June 19, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
  7. I think because Ron Paul will basically end up exposing the others unworkable tax reform ideas (fairtax), and steal the show. The real issue is spending, not taxes.

    Comment by brody — June 19, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
  8. Edward Failor, Jr. is also a Senior Advisor and major contributor to the John McCain campaign.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/mccain/mccainorgia.html

    Perhaps he got “instructions” from McCain that Ron Paul *must* be excluded? I can’t imagine the NTU, or the other sponsors, allowing a partisan advocate to determine who is and is not a Presidential candidate in Iowa.

    Comment by Bill Westmiller — June 19, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
  9. Excuse me, Brody, “unworkable”? You must have the FairTax confused with the income tax system we have right now! Here is why the FairTax will make a good U.S. tax system REPLACEMENT. The FairTax is:

    • SIMPLE, easy to understand
    • EFFICIENT, inexpensive to comply with and doesn’t cause less-than-optimal business decisions for tax minimization purposes
    • FAIR, loophole free and everyone pays their share
    • LOW TAX RATE, achieved by broad base with no exclusions
    • PREDICTABLE, doesn’t change, so financial planning is possible
    • UNINTRUSIVE, doesn’t intrude into our personal affairs or limit our liberty
    • VISIBLE, not hidden from the public in tax-inflated prices or otherwise
    • PRODUCTIVE, rewards, rather than penalizes, work and productivity

    Its benefits are as follows:

    FOR INDIVIDUALS:
    • No more tax on income – make as much as you wish
    • You receive your full paycheck – no more deductions
    • You pay the tax when you buy “at retail” – not “used”
    • No more double taxation (e.g. like on current Capital Gains)
    • Reduction of “pre-FairTaxed” retail prices by 20%-30%
    • Adding back 29.9% FairTax maintains current price levels
    • FairTax would constitute 23% portion of new prices
    • Every household receives a monthly check, or “pre-bate”
    • Pre-bate equals payback for taxes on spending to poverty level
    • FairTax’s pre-bate ensures progressivity, poverty protection
    • Finally, citizens are knowledgeable of what their tax IS
    • Elimination of “parasitic” Income Tax industry
    • NO MORE IRS. NO MORE FILING OF TAX RETURNS by individuals
    • Those possessing illicit forms of income will ALSO pay the FairTax
    • Households have more disposable income to purchase goods
    • Savings is bolstered with reduction of interest rates

    FOR BUSINESSES:
    • Corporate income and payroll taxes revoked under FairTax
    • Business compensated for collecting tax at “cash register”
    • No more tax-related lawyers, lobbyists on company payrolls
    • No more embedded (hidden) income/payroll taxes in prices
    • Reduced costs. Competition – not tax policy – drives prices
    • Off-shore “tax haven” headquarters can now return to U.S
    • No more “favors” from politicians at expense of taxpayers
    • Resources go to R&D and study of competition – not taxes
    • Marketplace distortions eliminated for fair competition
    • US exports increase their share of foreign markets

    FOR THE COUNTRY:
    • 7% – 13% economic growth projected in the first year of the FairTax
    • Jobs return to the U.S.
    • Foreign corporations “set up shop” in the U.S.
    • Tax system trends are corrected to “enlarge the pie”
    • Larger economic “pie,” means thinner tax rate “slices”
    • Initial 23% portion of price is pressured downward as “pie”
    increases
    • No more “closed door” tax deals by politicians and business
    • FairTax sets new global standard. Other countries will follow

    Comment by Ian — June 19, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
  10. Yes Brody,

    It is because this FairTax group wants to basically flatten the taxes as opposed to Democratic groups which want to make them more progressive. Paul cuts through both arguments to address the spending–neither side is serious about cutting spending.

    And in a previous speech Paul said of the FairTax “I’m just afraid we’ll get both (the national sales tax and the income tax) That’s why Paul is unpopular with this group.

    Her’s his statement: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6300987728469209139&q=fair+tax+ron+paul&total=19&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

    C. Loew

    Comment by C. Loew — June 19, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
  11. Everyone is still afraid of Ron Paul and the Truth! Is their a petition to sign going around?
    I will call the Fair Tax office tomorrow and I hope everyone out there calls too!…Let’s drive these people crazy until they invite Ron Paul!!!

    Comment by Stephen — June 19, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
  12. Sure! It makes ALL the sense in the world! Even the “Christian Alliance” and the “Tax Relief” organizations are bought. Not so Christian afterall and if that is the case… they really do not care about tax relief either. They are porbably pushing for the fair tax instead of ABOLISHING the FED and the IRS all together! We want our freedom so they MUST GO and if you are NOT a part of the SOLUTION then YOU are a part of the PROBLEM!

    Comment by JanColdwater — June 19, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
  13. Why Ron Paul was excluded — primarily his anti-war attitude. Iraq is still a big deal with most Christian conservatives unfortunately. It beats me why Gilmore is on the list. He is more liberal than John McCain when it comes to abortion.

    Comment by Merkel — June 19, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
  14. One of the sponsors Coldwell Banker Mid America group can be contacted at 800-225-7683. Press 1 to leave a message.

    Comment by Dave — June 19, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
  15. Katie Koberg is the public relations director for Iowans for Tax Relief. Her work number in Des Moines is 515-875-4936. Ask her to post a press release explaining why the organization is excluding Ron Paul.

    Comment by Anonymo — June 19, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
  16. If you do a yahoo people search of Failor in Iowa you get these 2 entries, call em at home and let them know what you think, i already called once, they sounded pissed. Don’t be mean, remember to talk to them calmly about ron paul. by the way, this is the same town and names as the father son that are directors for Iowans for Tax relief.

    Ed Failor
    563) 263-5459

    Edward D Failor
    563) 263-3738

    Comment by dooptyfloop — June 19, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
  17. “…they hate us for our FREEDOM!” Hey, where’s Rudy and Fred?

    Comment by Rudy G — June 19, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
  18. Let’s respectfully let them know how we feel:

    Edward Failor
    Iowans for Tax Relief
    2610 Park Avenue
    Muscatine, Iowa 52761

    Phone – 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600

    Fax – 563-264-2413

    Email – itr@taxrelief.org

    http://www.taxrelief.org

    Steve Scheffler, President
    Iowa Christian Alliance
    939 Office Park Road, Suite 115
    West Des Moines, IA 50265

    Email – slscheffler@iowachristian.com

    http://www.iowachristian.com

    Comment by Toby — June 19, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
  19. A huge number of CINOs (Christians in name only) are rabidly pro-war. They think Bush’s problem is he hasn’t killed enough Muslims, and he’d better get around to nuking Iran sooner rather than later.

    The CINOs resent Ron Paul because he reminds them of a true “compassionate conservative”, not a bloodthirsty lower-taxes-are-nowhere-near-as-important-as-military-bases-in-the-holy-land conservative.

    Christ would be spinning in his grave if he hadn’t risen out of it.

    Comment by Richard — June 19, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
  20. I just sent them a respectful fax using a service that lets you send 3 faxes per day from the internet.

    Rarely is the question asked, is our Iowans for Tax Relief learning?

    Comment by Marvin — June 20, 2007 @ 12:38 am
  21. Send them email and call. I sent the following letter to Failor this afternoon:

    http://ronpaultalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5

    I believe Scheffler is a former basketball player at Purdue University, and I sent him a similarly worded letter.

    Hopefully, enough outraged iowans (I am a former one of those) will give them the e-pitchfork and force them to do the right thing.

    Comment by mty — June 20, 2007 @ 12:39 am
  22. Sign our online petition demanding that Ron Paul be included in this Iowa Candidate Forum. Thank you For Electing Ron Paul!

    http://www.petitiononline.com/rpwi2008/petition.html

    Comment by Dean — June 20, 2007 @ 1:45 am
  23. One of the cosponsors was Krishna Engineering Consultants, Inc. owned by Gopal T. Hrishna according to Iowa Secretary of State website, corporate database.

    From another source:
    515 224 6300 office, 515 224 0000 fax, email gokrishna@msn.com

    Comment by Sid Davis — June 20, 2007 @ 2:43 am
  24. Correction: that was Gopal T. Krishna (not Hrishna) who owns Krishna Engineering Conslutants.

    515 224 6300 office, 515 224 0000 fax, email gokrishna@msn.com

    One of the hazards of advanced age is increased error.

    Comment by Sid Davis — June 20, 2007 @ 3:04 am
  25. Why would a conservative Christian group want to exclude Ron Paul from their forum? Someone asked me that today. And here’s what I told ‘em…

    Because Ron Paul doesn’t favor American military interventionism that fits so well into a lot of evangelical Christian pre-trib Rapture fantasies.

    More than most people really know, even with the popularity of books like Left Behind and other rapture media, there are a LOT of folks who want nothing more than for Armageddon to come… and they think that God isn’t moving fast enough so they feel obliged to “help” Him out.

    Ron Paul would bring the most realistic foreign policy to the White House that we’ve seen since… well, since Reagan at least (and even there some will argue that some of his policies were influenced by the pre-trib faction too). He definitely WON’T be guided by delusions that he is being led by God to do something apocalyptic with the Middle-East. That’s also why the Bush camp would rather Paul go down: Paul’s success repudiates the entire illusion that George W. Bush has somehow been “anointed” by God.

    Sounds crazy, I know. But as a born-again Christian myself, I’ve lived most of my life with people who are obsessed with having the end of the world within their lifetimes. And I know that there is no way that most of them would support Ron Paul, precisely because of this.

    Comment by Chris Knight — June 20, 2007 @ 3:33 am
  26. I have been making phones calls and sending emails.
    Here’s a link for media contact in Des Moines.

    http://www.abyznewslinks.com/uniteiadm.htm

    Comment by granny miller — June 20, 2007 @ 6:13 am
  27. “Iowans For Tax Relief” appears to be a sham.

    Probably just more “big government” Republicans pretending to be fiscally conservative.

    There is no other rational explanation for their blacklisting of the most fiscally conservative candidate in the race.

    Is this group related to the National Taxpayers Union or Fair Tax?

    I financially support both of these groups, but if they are involved in the blacklisting, they will never see another dollar from me!

    Comment by Jeff Blunt — June 20, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
  28. John Cox and Senator Mike Gravel both FairTax supporters were not invited to the forum either so I’d assume that FairTax did not have a say or did not know who was invited. I don’t think it would be very effective nor respectful to call this guy at home though, keep it to the office. Don’t go down to their level.

    Comment by James — June 20, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
  29. I’ll be interested to see if an explanation is forthcoming. All I can imagine is that they discounted him because of the war issue.

    Honestly, I probably would be supporting Paul, bit for his passionless disposition and my lack of total comfort with strict isolationism, in terms of both sercurity and moral responsibility.

    But, I absolutely detest the taking positions that decide who is and who is not a candidate, outside of the disposition of the candidate him/her self.

    Larry

    Comment by Larry Perrault — June 20, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
  30. Chris Knight: Your reason for why fundies wouldn’t support Paul is pitiful. You should (1) learn more theology and (2) quit making ignorant generalizations.

    Fundy christians won’t consider Ron Paul because they are mostly “party sheep” and go along with the herd. Are they for the war in Iraq? Yes. Why? “It is the Republican stance; and, the evil MSM and Democrats are against it (so it must be right).”

    But if we blow up more shit then God might come back sooner… whatever.

    Comment by Kimura — June 20, 2007 @ 11:32 pm

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