Amadinejad may be a little strange by our standards but he’s just a demogogic politician in Iran just like we have here. The more his domestic problems pile up, the more he demogogues.

But he isn’t unreasonable. He never said Isreal should be ‘wiped off the map.’ He supports a one-state solution to the Palestinian question to be resolved by popular elections.

More importantly, the President of Iran isn’t a very powerful figure. He doesn’t control the military, and he doesn’t control the Iranian nuclear program.

At the negotiating table, the Iranians have offered to subject their peaceful nuclear program to round-the-clock inspections by international inspectors. They have offered to have all enriched uranium converted immediately to fuel reactor rods. They’ve offered to subject their nuclear facilities to constant inspection so that none of that product can be converted to plutonium. They’ve offered to limit the number of centrifuges that they will employ. They’ve offered to allow inspection of their imports to guarantee that they are not developing nuclear weapons from imported uranium.

In exchange they want the right (already guaranteed by the Non-Proliferation Treaty) to enrich uranium to commercial level (about 5%) while they give up any right whatsoever, under rigid inspections, to enrich uranium to weapons-grade level (about 90%). They also want us to promise not to bomb them. The Bush administration rejected this proposal out of hand.

Check this out. The folks in the military seem to be fans of Ron Paul as well:

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

Today I spread the news about Paul to two new strangers one was very excited and the other was sold on McCain.

I try to tell two new people a day about Paul and you should too.

I’m even going to be a guest on a local FM radio show to talk about Paul. This idea also inspired me to meet with my local public access tv station to see if I can start my own TV show about the GOP. The radio show has a show of nearly 8,000 people and the TV spot could give me access to over 1500 people for the open slot.

People Paul can win but we have got to use creative ideas since the funds for Paul are less.

What is the people such as the poor and college kids vote this time? They would fear such a change…. Well, i think we are seeing this start to happen.

Keep the faith and hopefully Doug will start to speack with postive hope instead of a negative views.

God Bless

I’ll be gracious and tell you that I disagree with you.

Vietnam was a horrible mistake. We shouldn’t have been involved in the first place. Ho Chi Minh was driven by nationalism and megalomania. He had some weak ties to the ComIntern, but by the time he took over Vietnam in the north, those ties were mostly gone. I think the US had more of a role in driving them into the arms of the Chinese and communism. And by pulling out we spare the country more land mines, more agent orange, and more napalm. We could have won in Vietnam, but at what cost? To prop up another corrupt dictator in SE Asia?

As far as talking with the mullahs, I think that is an awful idea. Trade with them but ignore the mullahs. When Iranians become more and more prosperous, the mullahs will find themselves more and more irrelevant as is always the case with increasing prosperity. Dark warnings of impending doom fall on deaf ears when the outlook is up and up. That is of course when the religious fanatics are the most desperate, but I’m sure the Iranians will solve their own problems. Allow them a life to cherish, so their people won’t even contemplate apocalypse.

Some great posts, what can I say…. I agree.

Darel99, thumbs up!

Here’s some reality, you’re not use to seeing the other side, it’s not allowed on our news…..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565&q=Peace%2C+Propaganda+%26+The+Promised+Land&total=58&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=

While I agree with Dr. Paul on every major domestic issue, he and I don’t see eye-to-eye on foreign policy. I’ll still be voting for him, most certainly, because none of the other candidates really hold a candle … but pretending that pulling out of vietnam was the *right* solution at the time or that the massive military buildup had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR is a gross misinterpretation of what really went on. As has been quoted and restated many ways: naked violence has solved many problems in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

I suspect that Ron has a GREAT percentage of that OTHER vote.

Take heart!

Doug M. : But, but… it’s not FAIR! I want to argue with emotional rhetoric and circular reasoning!

Yep, I think I will pass on libertypapers.org posts from now on, too. I get more grown up discussion from my 5 year old niece.

I noticed your response and I wanted to take a moment to comet.

I’m a registered republican and respect many of the libertiian views which mimic many of the small government views of true conservatives. Of course many of the libertarian’s think they are the only ones who have heard of liberty but many social conservative, paleo conservatives and conservatives also believe in liberty.. In fact their are right leaning democrats and blue dog democrats who believe in liberty as well. Of course most of the “others” would at least give it lip service :)

Doug, to be honest with you and other readers if it wasn’t for Dr. Ron Paul I would abandon the republican party and become an indepantant.

Doug, do you believe in Ron Paul? Are you going to vote for Dr. Paul? Will you change your party affiliation and become a republican so you can vote in the primaries? All of these things need to be considered if you want Paul to win….

Yes, I’m also aware that you have written about Rudy but for a candidate who you state you support you offer a lukewarm message which is for the most part counterproductive.

Are you fully aware of Iran’s history? Are you aware our government along with British installed Ayatollah Khomenini? What happened after he was installed? Are you aware that before the Ayotallah was installed that Mossadeq loved our nation but he wasn’t willing to give the British (BP) more then their fair share the soon after he said no then I have gov documents which our own CIA then helped overthrow them? Sure their government doesn’t like the USA but it’s based on bad history and our poor leadership.

If we don’t speak with our enemies then we will all only fall into war which isn’t the path to follow.

Have you read the CIA report posted late 2006 about Iran? It states Iran will have bomb making abilities 7-10 years. Sure he is a a real threat but have you also noticed that Putin has decided not to honor a major treaty with us?

Part of the Iran conflict is based on Israel. Do you speak Iranian? Have you translated the original document from the Iranian president. The threats were increased when the media told the world that Iran wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Not true: I have had the original documents translated and he is only responding to a threat which Israel made.

I would have to say I’m not sure which is our nations worst enemy… Is it our own media or the enemies from abroad? Our own media has even lied about the recent Al Qaeda issue… Allow me to explain: Cheney recently went on record to state nearly three months ago that we were working with a group in Iran to help overthrow the government. But two weeks ago a name emerged and it was the number three guy from Al Qaeda… So, our movement is telling us this:

Al Qadia is about the attack us….. But then they are also saying we are working with Al Qaeda to overthrow the government of Iran… Do they think we are stupid?

So Paul has the wisdom to look at facts and not hype. In this case their are only two ways to approach Iran. Paul’s method or the Neocon method. For one if we attack Iran then other nations will attack us. So the best approach is to work out the issues Reagan has followed this ideal so I think it’s more then possible.

I also noticed you replied a second time to provide a negative comment about Pauls rise in Gallup. I think the older methods will have to adopt more towards real time data.

First, the neocon’s have been playing a game with Paul… We both know about the media control. They first stated the online polls were spam… They then suggested with the GOP sponsored straw polls would show proof that Paul’s support isn’t real. But what has happened with that notion? In the recent three GOP sponsored polls he was first in NH and listed as 2 or 3 with the others. So once again Paul showed real support in Ca, GA and NH.

Have you looked at history to see who was at 1-3% before they won a parities nomination. Clinton comes to mind with one.

Sure his funds are lower then others… But after talking to a lawyer and understanding what I can do on my own aside from my own contribution their are greater steps we can take on our own. That is as long as it’s not discuses with any member of Paul’s efforts. On my own I just rented an entire billboard off of I-81. I have also contracted two other billboards in key states. So while many may think Paul has a smaller sum of cash on hand how can you account for my efforts and efforts of others?

I have also reviewed data points for Pauls’ contributions. My findings suggest Paul has a steady climb while the others received theirs at the beginning of the qtr.

Doug, our own Paul group started with just 4 people during the first debate and last week we had over 100 in attendance. Most are republican’s but I know for a fact that 18 who were democrats, etc. are now republican’s.

I expect to see Pauls contributions to only rise and I do agree that Paul will win second place in Iowa… So Doug if support Paul then just support him. I could tell you I don’t like his views about gambling but he want’s to make so many positive changes and you either support him or you don’t.

As another poster pointed out, Isaac Asimov has said “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent” but it is also equally true to say “Violence is a preferred refuge of the megalomaniac and the utterly greedy”.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul Supporter

You have said the following:
“And my argument isn’t with the people of Iran. It’s with a government that has subsidized terrorism that his killed more than a few American citizens over the years and which is clearly intent on obtaining nuclear weapons, a move which would dangerously undermine the balance of power in the Middle East.”

Look closer to home for a government which has subsidised terrorism when it was in its own interests. Look closer to home for a government that has used nuclear weapons. Here is a hint, CIA covert and overt operations for the last half a century.

My point? US is no better than the scape goat. For the worthy cause of preserving global peace US needs to cut down on the belligerence and I along with OurPlan and I am sure many others would like to see Ron Paul extend friendship to Iran, and a letter along the lines that OurPlan has suggested would go great lengths in quelling the hatred in the middle east that the misguided foreign policy has thus far incited.

The funny thing is this: It just might be, that the threat and acts of terrorism go substantially down when you remove its prime motivations. Furthermore, if Iran were to act belligerently despite the public offer of friendship with the US, then US would have to do very little to convince the international community of the evils of the Iranian regime, dont you think? In such a case Iran itself would take the lead role in its own undoing without US having to spend blood or treasure.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul supporter