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		<title>By: Reciprocity and subsidized health care &#171; Blunt Object</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34637</link>
		<dc:creator>Reciprocity and subsidized health care &#171; Blunt Object</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Employers Charging Unhealthy Employees For Being Unhealthy (The Liberty Papers) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34257</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but they have less incentive to discriminate based on genetics if they have no financial stake in how healthy you are (employer-provided health care).  In fact, if they&#039;re following some types of pension plans they have a vested interest in hiring smokers and the unhealthy...less payouts, after all.

But I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about the future turning out like &quot;Gattaca&quot;.  As long as we live in a more or less free market society, and as long as there are workers capable of doing jobs, there will be employers looking to hire them regardless of who their parents were.  Capitalism is nice that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but they have less incentive to discriminate based on genetics if they have no financial stake in how healthy you are (employer-provided health care).  In fact, if they&#8217;re following some types of pension plans they have a vested interest in hiring smokers and the unhealthy&#8230;less payouts, after all.</p>
<p>But I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about the future turning out like &#8220;Gattaca&#8221;.  As long as we live in a more or less free market society, and as long as there are workers capable of doing jobs, there will be employers looking to hire them regardless of who their parents were.  Capitalism is nice that way.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34254</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UCrawford,
Employers discrimante all the time, whether you as qualified or not. In fact in some jobs it is best not to qualified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UCrawford,<br />
Employers discrimante all the time, whether you as qualified or not. In fact in some jobs it is best not to qualified.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34220</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Employer provided health care creates incentive to discriminate in hiring I mean, not the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Employer provided health care creates incentive to discriminate in hiring I mean, not the free market.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34218</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VRB,

Sorry, but I don&#039;t buy the whole &quot;Gattaca&quot; premise.  Not unless the government does something really stupid and mandates that all employers are required to purchase health care for all employees (which wouldn&#039;t be sustainable).  In that circumstance genetic discrimination would be plausible because the employers would have a reason to discriminate.  Other than that, it&#039;s incredibly unlikely that there would be no employment for qualified workers simply because of their genetics.  The benefits wouldn&#039;t outweight the costs.

Actually, that would be a good argument for why we should push for a free market system instead of the current one that puts a focus on employer-provided health care.  It creates an incentive to discriminate based on liability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VRB,</p>
<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t buy the whole &#8220;Gattaca&#8221; premise.  Not unless the government does something really stupid and mandates that all employers are required to purchase health care for all employees (which wouldn&#8217;t be sustainable).  In that circumstance genetic discrimination would be plausible because the employers would have a reason to discriminate.  Other than that, it&#8217;s incredibly unlikely that there would be no employment for qualified workers simply because of their genetics.  The benefits wouldn&#8217;t outweight the costs.</p>
<p>Actually, that would be a good argument for why we should push for a free market system instead of the current one that puts a focus on employer-provided health care.  It creates an incentive to discriminate based on liability.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What scares me, is that in the future your DNA will determine if you will be able to work. To save money on health care, which would not be for the sick any way, many people would just have to depend on the charity of others. I will probably be dead but my son and his children could be the beneficeries of this kind of a system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What scares me, is that in the future your DNA will determine if you will be able to work. To save money on health care, which would not be for the sick any way, many people would just have to depend on the charity of others. I will probably be dead but my son and his children could be the beneficeries of this kind of a system.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34213</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What make you all think there is no rationing with government run health care, Medicare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What make you all think there is no rationing with government run health care, Medicare?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34212</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom,

As TanGeng points out, please do not take this post as a defense of the current system.  The current system is a failed hybrid of government and private systems, and does not deserve defense.

My point is that if we want to fix it, we should move government out of the way, and the the free market have a much greater role than they currently do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom,</p>
<p>As TanGeng points out, please do not take this post as a defense of the current system.  The current system is a failed hybrid of government and private systems, and does not deserve defense.</p>
<p>My point is that if we want to fix it, we should move government out of the way, and the the free market have a much greater role than they currently do.</p>
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		<title>By: TanGeng</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34204</link>
		<dc:creator>TanGeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these calls for government health care seem to be based on one argument.

The current (flawed private) system is awful, so let&#039;s socialize medicine!!  (Just forgo analysis about the upside and downside of socialized medicine or any alternative systems.)

Drugs cost too much, so let&#039;s enact price controls!!  (Just ignore its effect of killing the drug development industry.)

And we&#039;re not even arguing in favor of keeping the current system.  A deregulated system would create powerful incentives for preventive care and cost control at the consumer end and would create incentive to innovate and reduce the cost of delivering health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these calls for government health care seem to be based on one argument.</p>
<p>The current (flawed private) system is awful, so let&#8217;s socialize medicine!!  (Just forgo analysis about the upside and downside of socialized medicine or any alternative systems.)</p>
<p>Drugs cost too much, so let&#8217;s enact price controls!!  (Just ignore its effect of killing the drug development industry.)</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re not even arguing in favor of keeping the current system.  A deregulated system would create powerful incentives for preventive care and cost control at the consumer end and would create incentive to innovate and reduce the cost of delivering health care.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34203</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Fewer errors in the pharmacy division?  You want to toss a link in there showing where you got this information?  And that care doesn&#039;t &quot;cost less&quot; than the private system?  It&#039;s subsidized by taxpayer dollars so the costs are hidden, and even then costs still exceed revenue.  Why do you think the Bush administration cut the budget for the V.A. in the middle of a war?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24665-2004Mar2?language=printer

Why do you think things like Walter Reed happen?  Answer, budget shortfalls.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/03/our_money_problem_and_walter_r.html

The military has a system of socialized medicine because the nature of their job makes them uninsurable by private carriers.  They have to have that system because they don&#039;t have a choice.  But it&#039;s not a system any of us should want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Fewer errors in the pharmacy division?  You want to toss a link in there showing where you got this information?  And that care doesn&#8217;t &#8220;cost less&#8221; than the private system?  It&#8217;s subsidized by taxpayer dollars so the costs are hidden, and even then costs still exceed revenue.  Why do you think the Bush administration cut the budget for the V.A. in the middle of a war?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24665-2004Mar2?language=printer" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24665-2004Mar2?language=printer</a></p>
<p>Why do you think things like Walter Reed happen?  Answer, budget shortfalls.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/03/our_money_problem_and_walter_r.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/03/our_money_problem_and_walter_r.html</a></p>
<p>The military has a system of socialized medicine because the nature of their job makes them uninsurable by private carriers.  They have to have that system because they don&#8217;t have a choice.  But it&#8217;s not a system any of us should want.</p>
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		<title>By: TanGeng</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34202</link>
		<dc:creator>TanGeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  The VA hospital system is good and the military get adequate health care?

Sure they cost less, and make fewer mistakes, but they also dispense less medicine.  It&#039;s all part of the government rationing system.  They try to suppress the costs by denying service and essential care.

Many injured veterans have complained about receiving insufficient medical care after they received injuries.  Again it&#039;s the suppression of costs by denying services and essential care.

Albeit it&#039;s the worst example, but do you really want Walter Reed as your hospital?

And that&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  The VA hospital system is good and the military get adequate health care?</p>
<p>Sure they cost less, and make fewer mistakes, but they also dispense less medicine.  It&#8217;s all part of the government rationing system.  They try to suppress the costs by denying service and essential care.</p>
<p>Many injured veterans have complained about receiving insufficient medical care after they received injuries.  Again it&#8217;s the suppression of costs by denying services and essential care.</p>
<p>Albeit it&#8217;s the worst example, but do you really want Walter Reed as your hospital?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: tom bar</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/05/employers-charging-unhealthy-employees-for-being-unhealthy/#comment-34199</link>
		<dc:creator>tom bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Government will have the same (likely worse) rationing problems that private insurance has. The costs will go through the roof.&quot;

That&#039;s simply more BS porpaganda in favor of the current system.  The Government already provides health care to millions both though the military, the VA, and special programs, and that care cost less than the comparable care on the civilian side, and what&#039;s more it&#039;s better care, and the pharmacy provisions are better with fewer errors than their civilian counterparts.

You&#039;re talking a lot of bull that will be popular with your conservative readers but has little basis in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Government will have the same (likely worse) rationing problems that private insurance has. The costs will go through the roof.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s simply more BS porpaganda in favor of the current system.  The Government already provides health care to millions both though the military, the VA, and special programs, and that care cost less than the comparable care on the civilian side, and what&#8217;s more it&#8217;s better care, and the pharmacy provisions are better with fewer errors than their civilian counterparts.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking a lot of bull that will be popular with your conservative readers but has little basis in fact.</p>
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