Comments on: Rudy Giuliani: US Foreign Policy Contributed to Terrorism http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Fri, 17 May 2013 18:49:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Kaligula http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35195 Kaligula Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:34:33 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35195 If a cross-dressing Rudy were to give his “Freedom is About Authority” speech, then he would have Caligula down pat.

]]> By: TanGeng http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35185 TanGeng Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:24:02 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35185 I presume he intends to bring about world peace by starting a global wars against all kinds of terrorisms and alleged terror states and trying to kill everybody that doesn’t agree with us. And so in the name of world peace bring about perpetual war?

]]> By: Thomas http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35183 Thomas Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:32:56 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35183 Not only are we the 9/11 generation but Giuliani believes its his job to “mobilize” the 9/11 generation to bring about world peace. That is a term from WW2.

He also believes that a “realist” school of foreign policy puts too much weight on diplomacy

AND

The US pulled out of Vietnam thinking the North Vietnamese had been defeated only to be proved wrong AFTER we left that we hadn’t fought hard enough.

And they call Ron Paul a “kook”?

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35174 UCrawford Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:30:52 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35174 TanGeng,

This might be a foreshadowing of the sentiment we’ll encounter:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/17/russia.airforce.reut/index.html

]]> By: TanGeng http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35173 TanGeng Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:20:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35173 Ha! “We’re all members of the 9/11 generation.” And I could not read anymore. The thought that 9/11 changed EVERYTHING makes me sick.

I wonder what conclusions the paper came to based on 9/11. Are we suppose to support huge intrusions of privacy domestically, while sticking our nose into every nook and cranny of the world. At the end of the 20th century, America was disliked because we wouldn’t mind our own damn business. I wonder what the sentiment is now or would be under a Giuliani administration.

]]> By: TanGeng http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35171 TanGeng Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:13:46 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35171 For Giuliani, the terrorist’s war on us started the moment 9/11 occurred and since then the terrorist war effort could everywhere that government does not see.

But Giuliani is the president of 9/11. I would bet that Giuliani’s Foreign Policy article invoked 9/11 no less than 10 times. I’d give 10 to 1 odds.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35170 Steve Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:48:16 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35170 My question is when did the “War on Terror” become the “Terrorist’s War on Us?” Giuliani uses the same phrase on his website.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35165 Thomas Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:39:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35165 I just read the first page of Giuliani’s paper and not only does it scare the living crap out of me but it proves that Giuliani is certifiably insane.

]]> By: tannim http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35161 tannim Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:48:21 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35161 Rudy the hero of 9/11? Not even close! How many NYPD and NYFD died that day from his radio and command center boondoggles? How much did he trample on First Amendment rights while mayor (see http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org for that answer, which is a LOT!)? The ONLY reason he was in the street that day was because he was voting in a municipal election downtown and coun’t get out in his private car when all hell broke loose. He is no hero. He is a victim of circumstance, and his policies are just a continuation of the Bush mess.

The Revolution will not be televised. RP08!

]]> By: tarran http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35160 tarran Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:58:06 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35160

I wouldn’t call this an inconsistency.

Brad, you are right. I just couldn’t resist the snarky headline.

On the other hand, if he can equate Ron Paul’s famous statement as meaning that the U.S. government invited the attacks, then he must also equate that last statement as saying that too.

The odd thing is that his scheme of belligerence, intimidation and a paranoid state focused on total security was tried in the 20th century by the Soviet Union, and it will fail for the U.S. government in a similar manner as it failed for the Soviets.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35155 UCrawford Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:02:38 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35155 I thought the heroes of 9/11 were the firefighters, the police, and the EMTs…the people who actually saved lives and often sacrificed theirs. Frankly, I’m not a fan of giving credit to the guys who make the speeches over those who do the work. And wasn’t it William Bratton who implemented the “broken windows” policing policy? I’m also not a fan of giving people more than their share of the credit.

Guiliani was not particularly beloved in New York prior to 9/11 for the same reasons I think he’d make a poor president…an inability to work with others, a lack of tact, a tendency to micromanage and get sidetracked from the important issues for petty grudges, and a tendency to take undeserved credit for the work of others. He’s the weakest candidate on foreign policy, he blew off an opportunity to improve his credentials on foreign policy by working on the 9/11 commission (so he could take big paychecks for giving speeches) and his essay in Foreign Affairs was uninformed garbage that reflected his lack of understanding of foreign policy.

He might be a worthwhile senatorial candidate but Guiliani does not belong in the White House.

]]> By: rebeccan http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35154 rebeccan Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:55:49 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35154 Unless you’re a New Yorker, you don’t know the power of the positive – Rudy remade NYC into a lovable, livable place way before he became the hero of 9/11. HE IS BY FAR THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THIS COUNTRY’S FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35153 Brad Warbiany Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:32:51 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35153 I wouldn’t call this an inconsistency. Ron Paul said they hate us and try to hurt us because we’ve been meddling in their affairs. Giuliani says they hate as because they’re wacky religious fundamentalists, and we need to meddle to stop them from hurting us. Or, as he puts it, they already hate us and because they perceive us as week, will attack. His position is that they hate us regardless of what we do, so we should get them before they get us.

It’s wrong, but not inconsistent.

]]> By: Nathan Pannbacker http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35151 Nathan Pannbacker Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:58:11 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35151 This is only a mild inconsistency. If it weren’t for his tantrum in response to Ron Paul pointing out something very similar it would not be noteworthy at all.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35150 UCrawford Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:34:17 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/16/rudy-giuliani-us-foreign-policy-contributed-to-terrorism/#comment-35150 Fred Kaplan over on Slate effectively gutted Guiliani’s foreign policy platform. Guiliani’s article is shallow, contradictory and meaningless…the guy’s as much of an intellectual lightweight as Bush on foreign policy:

http://www.slate.com/id/2172285/fr/flyout

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