Comments on: The Iraq War Coalition Continues To Crumble http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 22 May 2013 18:26:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: rob http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35708 rob Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:04:42 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35708 Where did the idea come from that this is a sudden break with Pres. Bush? Warner has been critical of our Iraq policy all along. Granted, he has not been front and center on the debate. He’s been careful not to break openly with the President and he doesn’t do so here. He is merely suggesting that a token withdrawal of troops might send a message to the Iraqi government that it better get its house in order pretty soon or we’re leaving.

Personally, I don’t think it would work because it isn’t really much of a threat. I don’t believe that Iraqi leaders care if we leave.

But as for Warner, I don’t see any dramatic change. He has always been critical of Bush but has also always avoided anything that could be regarded as an open break.

]]> By: Wulf http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35612 Wulf Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:55:13 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35612 John Warner is up for re-election in a state where we just tossed a fairly popular Republican senator (George Allen).

Also, governor Tim Kaine and former governor Mark Warner – both Democrats – are very popular and could help unseat him. Heck, Mark Warner might even be the one to make that run if things fall into place just so.

Could this all be so simple as political posturing? That John Warner knows how important it is not to look like a right wing hawk right now? That this is a matter of personal political survival more than anything else?
Considering that he’s been in the Senate since 1979, I suggest that he’s cagey enough to distance himself from Bush’s unpopular war just enough and at just the right time. Any time you see a statement or action by John Warner, keep in mind that he’s not just a career politician… he’s one of the more successful ones. With someone like that, every move is calculated, and that certainly includes the timing and degree of the statement Doug has linked.

]]> By: Smooth Jazz http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35610 Smooth Jazz Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:07:41 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35610 US GENERAL WARY OF WARNER’S PLAN:

http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME

Fyi, It just goes to show that there is not unaninimity regarding what to do next. When Generals in the war zone speak up, it presents a different perspective on the discussions.

]]> By: TanGeng http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35608 TanGeng Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:10:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35608 I don’t know about this. 5,000?

Is that suppose to be some sort of a draw down? Until we get back under pre-surge levels, it can’t even be called decreasing the troop count? It’d still be a mini-surge. I’d call it a a draw down when they decide to cut the number of troops in half. This is just preemptive posturing to set a starting point for debate come September. I hope the Dems have enough of a spine to demand as much. They have to set the starting point for debate as a complete withdrawal by next year.

]]> By: Chepe Noyon http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35607 Chepe Noyon Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:08:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35607 Smooth Jazz, how do you parse Mr. Warner’s words calling for an “orderly and carefully planned withdrawal,” into the statement that Mr. Warner is not giving up at all? It seems to me that Mr. Warner is clearly calling for a withdrawal. He’s not declaring how fast it should take place, but he is asserting that it should begin by Christmas.

]]> By: Smooth Jazz http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35600 Smooth Jazz Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:11:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35600 I don’t think Sen Warner is giving up at all, no matter how the “MSM” spins his words. He is cleaerly not backing an early pullout.

On the other, what do you have to say about this Brian baird column:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003850954_bairdop24.html

]]> By: Warner Crosses The Aisle? http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35589 Warner Crosses The Aisle? Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:31:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35589 [...] The Liberty Papers: The Iraq War Coalition Continues To Crumble [...]

]]> By: Chepe Noyon http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35588 Chepe Noyon Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:37:55 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/#comment-35588 The strength of a democracy is that, in the long run, the people as a group seldom make disastrous decisions. The change of heart of Senator Warner illustrates one tiny step in this slow process.

The weakness of democracy is that the people as a group can be fooled some of the time, and stampeded into ill-considered policies.

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