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		<title>By: Exotic Electron</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36465</link>
		<dc:creator>Exotic Electron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the GOP is so worried about this problem of cheating then why aren&#039;t they crusading to abolish electronic voting machines?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the GOP is so worried about this problem of cheating then why aren&#8217;t they crusading to abolish electronic voting machines?</p>
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		<title>By: Straw polls and trickery &#171; The Incontiguous Brick</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36462</link>
		<dc:creator>Straw polls and trickery &#171; The Incontiguous Brick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to The Liberty Papers for pointing out this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to The Liberty Papers for pointing out this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36291</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that’s a good point.  Paul supporters come from more than just the Republican ranks.  The segments that are normally Democratic would certainly not just settle for a team choice from a team they don’t generally agree with.

I would simply argue that it’s this broad-based appeal that may be the Republican Party’s only hope at winning in ’08.  The Republican Party’s reputation is in the toilet.  Why?  I’d submit that it’s a result of the Republican Party’s abuse of power, spending, and continuing support of the war in Iraq.  Who is the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; Republican candidate to advocate a smaller federal government, and immediate withdrawal from Iraq?

Should conservative and libertarian people rally to the platform of the Republican Party, whether they agree with it or not?  Or should the Republican Party reflect the interests of its members?

Does any other Republican candidate have anywhere near the broad-based support that Ron Paul could deliver if his own party also backed him?  What was the effect of Reagan Democrats in 1980 and 1984?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that’s a good point.  Paul supporters come from more than just the Republican ranks.  The segments that are normally Democratic would certainly not just settle for a team choice from a team they don’t generally agree with.</p>
<p>I would simply argue that it’s this broad-based appeal that may be the Republican Party’s only hope at winning in ’08.  The Republican Party’s reputation is in the toilet.  Why?  I’d submit that it’s a result of the Republican Party’s abuse of power, spending, and continuing support of the war in Iraq.  Who is the <i>only</i> Republican candidate to advocate a smaller federal government, and immediate withdrawal from Iraq?</p>
<p>Should conservative and libertarian people rally to the platform of the Republican Party, whether they agree with it or not?  Or should the Republican Party reflect the interests of its members?</p>
<p>Does any other Republican candidate have anywhere near the broad-based support that Ron Paul could deliver if his own party also backed him?  What was the effect of Reagan Democrats in 1980 and 1984?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Standard</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36281</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe they don&#039;t include Ron Paul, because so many Ron Paul supporters are all over the internet saying that they will not support the eventual GOP nominee if it is not Ron Paul.  

That&#039;s pretty damned insulting to Republicans, if you ask me.  It&#039;s not a very team-oriented viewpoint.  If I was a GOP leader I&#039;d be real wary of inviting Paul people to participate in GOP events, polls and such.  

It&#039;d be better if Ron Paul supporters said, we like Ron, but if he loses the nomination to Thompson or Giuliani, we&#039;ll still back the GOP nominee against Hillary Clinton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they don&#8217;t include Ron Paul, because so many Ron Paul supporters are all over the internet saying that they will not support the eventual GOP nominee if it is not Ron Paul.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty damned insulting to Republicans, if you ask me.  It&#8217;s not a very team-oriented viewpoint.  If I was a GOP leader I&#8217;d be real wary of inviting Paul people to participate in GOP events, polls and such.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;d be better if Ron Paul supporters said, we like Ron, but if he loses the nomination to Thompson or Giuliani, we&#8217;ll still back the GOP nominee against Hillary Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36163</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 05:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conspiracy theory in the hands of some of the Paul supporters is categorical evidence that they are loonies, and so is he, by their choice of association.  Conspiracy theory by Paul opposition that any favorable poll results must be rigged is smart thinking, and just plain obvious.

Anyone else see any contradictions there?

Claims without evidence won’t sway the thoughtful.  But they may well convince audience members who don’t (or can’t) pay attention.  This works with UFO’s, 9/11 conspiracies, and Ron Paul polls alike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspiracy theory in the hands of some of the Paul supporters is categorical evidence that they are loonies, and so is he, by their choice of association.  Conspiracy theory by Paul opposition that any favorable poll results must be rigged is smart thinking, and just plain obvious.</p>
<p>Anyone else see any contradictions there?</p>
<p>Claims without evidence won’t sway the thoughtful.  But they may well convince audience members who don’t (or can’t) pay attention.  This works with UFO’s, 9/11 conspiracies, and Ron Paul polls alike.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36025</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, sometimes the Ron Paul supporters remind me of the &quot;Mr. Belvedere Fan Club&quot;.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91sbelvedere.phtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, sometimes the Ron Paul supporters remind me of the &#8220;Mr. Belvedere Fan Club&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91sbelvedere.phtml" rel="nofollow">http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91sbelvedere.phtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36024</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dad?  What did Mom tell you about expressing your passion for other men?  Are you off your meds again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad?  What did Mom tell you about expressing your passion for other men?  Are you off your meds again.</p>
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		<title>By: KEITH CRAWFORD</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36021</link>
		<dc:creator>KEITH CRAWFORD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thought here is that if there was any passion for ANY of the other candidates they might poll this thing also. Face it boysd and girls there is alot of PASSION for Ron Paul. Just a thought!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought here is that if there was any passion for ANY of the other candidates they might poll this thing also. Face it boysd and girls there is alot of PASSION for Ron Paul. Just a thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken H</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The leaders among Republicans are no different than the leaders among Democrats - they want to have control.  They may mean to be good controllers but they mean to control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leaders among Republicans are no different than the leaders among Democrats &#8211; they want to have control.  They may mean to be good controllers but they mean to control.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kachouroff</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36006</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kachouroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I apologize but must add one more thing. Not one of the news organizations has posted ANY proof of anything. It&#039;s all been speculation.
 
I did a quick search and look at what one pollster has to say:

&quot;They aren’t “cheating,” as in voting multiple times, but they have sent out emails and posted the link to our poll at several spots on the web, urging people to go vote for Paul. The end result is the same—the poll results are skewed, and it’s not an accurate measure.

Internet polls are not scientific anyway, but when the gaming is this obvious I’m not going to let it slide, or to let our poll be misused by supporters of a man who, in my opinion, is nuts.&quot;

By the way, this poll &quot;gave up&quot; and put Paul back on their site. See http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25504_Ron_Paul_Supporters_Spamming_Our_Poll_Again&amp;only 

The truth is, they think he&#039;s nuts and there can&#039;t possibly be that much support for Paul out there. Hmmmm....Dewey beats Truman syndrome? The answer to all of this is that the Internet community is far different and a minority of folks. Society isn&#039;t representative of that community. However, it is a significant minority and I think Ron Paul has it locked up for now. He&#039;ll need a lot more to become president.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize but must add one more thing. Not one of the news organizations has posted ANY proof of anything. It&#8217;s all been speculation.</p>
<p>I did a quick search and look at what one pollster has to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;They aren’t “cheating,” as in voting multiple times, but they have sent out emails and posted the link to our poll at several spots on the web, urging people to go vote for Paul. The end result is the same—the poll results are skewed, and it’s not an accurate measure.</p>
<p>Internet polls are not scientific anyway, but when the gaming is this obvious I’m not going to let it slide, or to let our poll be misused by supporters of a man who, in my opinion, is nuts.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, this poll &#8220;gave up&#8221; and put Paul back on their site. See <a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25504_Ron_Paul_Supporters_Spamming_Our_Poll_Again&#038;only" rel="nofollow">http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25504_Ron_Paul_Supporters_Spamming_Our_Poll_Again&#038;only</a> </p>
<p>The truth is, they think he&#8217;s nuts and there can&#8217;t possibly be that much support for Paul out there. Hmmmm&#8230;.Dewey beats Truman syndrome? The answer to all of this is that the Internet community is far different and a minority of folks. Society isn&#8217;t representative of that community. However, it is a significant minority and I think Ron Paul has it locked up for now. He&#8217;ll need a lot more to become president.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kachouroff</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36005</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kachouroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CAVEAT: I&#039;m not against Ron Paul nor do I support him.

Matt Margolis sounds like one of these conspiracy theorists akin to a Holocaust Denier. I looked at the other news sites. 

FoxNews claimed it after their poll. However, it couldn&#039;t happen since this poll was by text message. You&#039;d have to have a lot of different phones so that&#039;s false. But even if his supporters moved en masse, so are the other candidates as well.

ABC claims the polls were skewed but in the same breath claims they were &quot;flooded&quot; with Ron Paul messages from his supporters begging ABC to put Paul&#039;s name on the poll--he was initially absent from the poll. To boot, they deleted 90 posts by different people. Plus, one could not repeat the poll because the IP address is registered. I suppose one could change their IP address--such as dial up customers who would have to redial a connection every time. So there&#039;s no way that one could know Ron Paul&#039;s campaign was doing that.

Also, why did the NRSC leave Ron Paul off the printed survey? Because a secret but highly coordinated effort of Paul people stole the GOP survey envelopes?

For me, the proof of his presence is the $2.4 million dollars in Q2 from individual donors. He&#039;s actually pretty close to Romney if you subtract Romney&#039;s campaign debts.

This is such bovine scatology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAVEAT: I&#8217;m not against Ron Paul nor do I support him.</p>
<p>Matt Margolis sounds like one of these conspiracy theorists akin to a Holocaust Denier. I looked at the other news sites. </p>
<p>FoxNews claimed it after their poll. However, it couldn&#8217;t happen since this poll was by text message. You&#8217;d have to have a lot of different phones so that&#8217;s false. But even if his supporters moved en masse, so are the other candidates as well.</p>
<p>ABC claims the polls were skewed but in the same breath claims they were &#8220;flooded&#8221; with Ron Paul messages from his supporters begging ABC to put Paul&#8217;s name on the poll&#8211;he was initially absent from the poll. To boot, they deleted 90 posts by different people. Plus, one could not repeat the poll because the IP address is registered. I suppose one could change their IP address&#8211;such as dial up customers who would have to redial a connection every time. So there&#8217;s no way that one could know Ron Paul&#8217;s campaign was doing that.</p>
<p>Also, why did the NRSC leave Ron Paul off the printed survey? Because a secret but highly coordinated effort of Paul people stole the GOP survey envelopes?</p>
<p>For me, the proof of his presence is the $2.4 million dollars in Q2 from individual donors. He&#8217;s actually pretty close to Romney if you subtract Romney&#8217;s campaign debts.</p>
<p>This is such bovine scatology.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36004</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always assumed that if the polls were being spammed it was by well meaning (but mistaken) Paul supporters.  I never thought it came from the campaign.  Any ideas on how we get to the bottom of this?  I still can&#039;t believe Ron Paul would approve of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always assumed that if the polls were being spammed it was by well meaning (but mistaken) Paul supporters.  I never thought it came from the campaign.  Any ideas on how we get to the bottom of this?  I still can&#8217;t believe Ron Paul would approve of this.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryP</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36002</link>
		<dc:creator>TerryP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually if you do the poll, none comes in a strong 4th at 12.6% currently.  Most of these &quot;none&quot; votes are likely Ron Paul supporters.  In addition, it is likely that some people would shift over to Ron Paul from another first choice if he were listed as a candidate.  This is actually good news for Ron Paul, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually if you do the poll, none comes in a strong 4th at 12.6% currently.  Most of these &#8220;none&#8221; votes are likely Ron Paul supporters.  In addition, it is likely that some people would shift over to Ron Paul from another first choice if he were listed as a candidate.  This is actually good news for Ron Paul, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-36001</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, Norm, and CHris K; ABC.com reported the exact same thing, as has pretty much every other site running a ROn Paul poll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, Norm, and CHris K; ABC.com reported the exact same thing, as has pretty much every other site running a ROn Paul poll.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/29/wheres-ron/#comment-35999</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I voted in the poll.  I rated all the candiates as unacceptable.  I find it hard to believe that the Paul campaign is spamming polls but as you can see that&#039;s what the poll site is claiming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted in the poll.  I rated all the candiates as unacceptable.  I find it hard to believe that the Paul campaign is spamming polls but as you can see that&#8217;s what the poll site is claiming.</p>
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