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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to thank both Stephen and Quincy for their well worded and thoughtful responce to my comments. When I was around 12 or 13, I remember expressing my thoughts then (1951-1952) that insurance was creating it&#039;s own problems that will affect us all. And it has. It encourages law suits, higher medical bills, higher everything &quot;IT&quot; touches. Without insurance to pay bills, which in turn creates laywers&#039; suits we all must pay more and insurers must pay more. It is a cycle created from &quot;forced need, based on greed.&quot; Also, I have an Insureance license so I know how they work, they do come in handy during times of despret needs and they do have their rightful place, but have also caused many of people&#039;s problems. There is much more to say, but I feel this is enough. Again I Thank You.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank both Stephen and Quincy for their well worded and thoughtful responce to my comments. When I was around 12 or 13, I remember expressing my thoughts then (1951-1952) that insurance was creating it&#8217;s own problems that will affect us all. And it has. It encourages law suits, higher medical bills, higher everything &#8220;IT&#8221; touches. Without insurance to pay bills, which in turn creates laywers&#8217; suits we all must pay more and insurers must pay more. It is a cycle created from &#8220;forced need, based on greed.&#8221; Also, I have an Insureance license so I know how they work, they do come in handy during times of despret needs and they do have their rightful place, but have also caused many of people&#8217;s problems. There is much more to say, but I feel this is enough. Again I Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald - 

You&#039;re in a position caused by interference from the federal government, namely tax laws that make insurance tied to employment desirable when it normally wouldn&#039;t be.  Would you, for example, tolerate losing your homeowner&#039;s or auto insurance when you left your job?  Neither would I.  Yet, because of an accident of history, WWII and FDR&#039;s wage caps to be exact, health insurance became a &quot;fringe benefit&quot; of employment due to a tax loophole.  I&#039;d say that, had you been purchasing your own health insurance, for you and your family, you&#039;d not be in this situation.  This isn&#039;t an indictment of you, since by accepting the &quot;fringe benefit&quot; you were pursuing the most rational course for your situation.  Instead, it&#039;s an indictment of the bad set of laws governing both health care and health insurance in this country.

As Stephen correctly points out, this expansion of government expenditures and authority known as SCHIP, while providing short-term relief to your family, would actually place a severe long-term burden on your children and their children, who would bear the cost of this program during their careers and hence have less, likely a lot less, with which to provide for their own families.  

What needs to happen with health care is not more government, but less.  The more we move health care expenditures away from the consumer, the less power the consumer has over his own destiny.  You lament the insurance companies, however, before indicting them, I would ask you to remember that the insurance company that provided coverage to you never worked a day for *you*, but rather for your employer.  Then, take your experience with the insurance company and extrapolate that out to a government-run health insurance system which works for &quot;the people&quot;, through the Congress and President.  It will not be pretty, I assure you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald &#8211; </p>
<p>You&#8217;re in a position caused by interference from the federal government, namely tax laws that make insurance tied to employment desirable when it normally wouldn&#8217;t be.  Would you, for example, tolerate losing your homeowner&#8217;s or auto insurance when you left your job?  Neither would I.  Yet, because of an accident of history, WWII and FDR&#8217;s wage caps to be exact, health insurance became a &#8220;fringe benefit&#8221; of employment due to a tax loophole.  I&#8217;d say that, had you been purchasing your own health insurance, for you and your family, you&#8217;d not be in this situation.  This isn&#8217;t an indictment of you, since by accepting the &#8220;fringe benefit&#8221; you were pursuing the most rational course for your situation.  Instead, it&#8217;s an indictment of the bad set of laws governing both health care and health insurance in this country.</p>
<p>As Stephen correctly points out, this expansion of government expenditures and authority known as SCHIP, while providing short-term relief to your family, would actually place a severe long-term burden on your children and their children, who would bear the cost of this program during their careers and hence have less, likely a lot less, with which to provide for their own families.  </p>
<p>What needs to happen with health care is not more government, but less.  The more we move health care expenditures away from the consumer, the less power the consumer has over his own destiny.  You lament the insurance companies, however, before indicting them, I would ask you to remember that the insurance company that provided coverage to you never worked a day for *you*, but rather for your employer.  Then, take your experience with the insurance company and extrapolate that out to a government-run health insurance system which works for &#8220;the people&#8221;, through the Congress and President.  It will not be pretty, I assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald: 

I realize that SCHIP would be very attractive for someone in your situation. If SCHIP were to pass, my family would easily qualify. I can tell you that most of my expenses over the past 2 years or so have been medical expenses despite having private insurance. So why don&#039;t I want SCHIP expanded so that my family can take advantage of the program? Because I realize its a fraud. My father told me that there is no such thing as a free lunch. He was right. There&#039;s no such thing as free healthcare either.   

Healthcare is a very emotional issue, especially for those who are having health issues. I urge you to try not to look at this issue emotionally but rationally. As I mentioned in the post, we are looking at $43 trillion in unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs such as medicare, medicaid, S.S. etc. Now, this is before SCHIP or Hillary Clinton&#039;s proposed healthcare plan. How do you suppose your children and grandchildren are going to pay for this? 

I don&#039;t know about you but I can&#039;t wrap my head around a dollar amount that high. When the baby boomers retire, we will have more individuals recieving S.S. than workers. Your children are going to have to pay half or more of their paychecks in taxes just to fund these programs and probably won&#039;t have anything in S.S. or these other programs for themselves. 

It&#039;s really a scary scenerio when you think about it. More than half of an individual&#039;s income going to taxes? These are the things revolutions are made of - bloody revolutions. 

I urge you to do some additional research on this topic. The links in my article would be a good starting point. There is so much more to this than meets the eye. 

I wish you the best for you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald: </p>
<p>I realize that SCHIP would be very attractive for someone in your situation. If SCHIP were to pass, my family would easily qualify. I can tell you that most of my expenses over the past 2 years or so have been medical expenses despite having private insurance. So why don&#8217;t I want SCHIP expanded so that my family can take advantage of the program? Because I realize its a fraud. My father told me that there is no such thing as a free lunch. He was right. There&#8217;s no such thing as free healthcare either.   </p>
<p>Healthcare is a very emotional issue, especially for those who are having health issues. I urge you to try not to look at this issue emotionally but rationally. As I mentioned in the post, we are looking at $43 trillion in unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs such as medicare, medicaid, S.S. etc. Now, this is before SCHIP or Hillary Clinton&#8217;s proposed healthcare plan. How do you suppose your children and grandchildren are going to pay for this? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you but I can&#8217;t wrap my head around a dollar amount that high. When the baby boomers retire, we will have more individuals recieving S.S. than workers. Your children are going to have to pay half or more of their paychecks in taxes just to fund these programs and probably won&#8217;t have anything in S.S. or these other programs for themselves. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a scary scenerio when you think about it. More than half of an individual&#8217;s income going to taxes? These are the things revolutions are made of &#8211; bloody revolutions. </p>
<p>I urge you to do some additional research on this topic. The links in my article would be a good starting point. There is so much more to this than meets the eye. </p>
<p>I wish you the best for you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will put name calling a side an let the others carry on. I will stick to my personal experience. I live in Fl. and retired from the school system. While working I exceeded $80,000.00 a year. I reared 4 children and now have 2 adopted children. As I worked, rearing a family of 4 children I personally had Ins. provided by my job. I paid an additional amount for my family. As I climbed the &quot;ladder&quot; the deductions became easier. Then came sickness and retirement. I now have an income from SS and Retirement of about $42,000.00. I have my Medicare A+B. I am taken care of. My wife has no insurance, but for now is healthy. OK. But my two children also do not have insurance, because I recieve a couple thousand to much. If the presient would not veto SCHIP, I and many like myself would be better off and not have to worry about our children&#039;s health care. Right now it is a nightmare. Thank You for reading this. I hope only the Insurance Companies hate me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will put name calling a side an let the others carry on. I will stick to my personal experience. I live in Fl. and retired from the school system. While working I exceeded $80,000.00 a year. I reared 4 children and now have 2 adopted children. As I worked, rearing a family of 4 children I personally had Ins. provided by my job. I paid an additional amount for my family. As I climbed the &#8220;ladder&#8221; the deductions became easier. Then came sickness and retirement. I now have an income from SS and Retirement of about $42,000.00. I have my Medicare A+B. I am taken care of. My wife has no insurance, but for now is healthy. OK. But my two children also do not have insurance, because I recieve a couple thousand to much. If the presient would not veto SCHIP, I and many like myself would be better off and not have to worry about our children&#8217;s health care. Right now it is a nightmare. Thank You for reading this. I hope only the Insurance Companies hate me.</p>
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		<title>By: Zyskandar A  Jaimot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zyskandar A  Jaimot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mostly DEMBHOLE [operant relevant portions of ^SSHOLES+DUMB-DEMOCRATS=DEMBHOLES] U.S HOUSE of &#039;FOOLISH&#039; REPRESENTATIVES passed a bill to increase &#039;health-care&#039; to supposed indigent children. Except the &#039;children&#039; are now minors up until age 25 and are now &#039;indigent&#039; even if their respective families earn up to $86,ooo dollars in income. Further people who can afford &#039;private insurance&#039; will now receive mandatory &#039;government insurance&#039; paid for by our TAX DOLLARS!!! Some &#039;SOCIALIST DEMBHOLE RIP-OFF eh??? &#039;Let&#039;s do it for the chilluns&#039; - Ha!!! DEMBHOLE SOCIALISTA TURDHEADS!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mostly DEMBHOLE [operant relevant portions of ^SSHOLES+DUMB-DEMOCRATS=DEMBHOLES] U.S HOUSE of &#8216;FOOLISH&#8217; REPRESENTATIVES passed a bill to increase &#8216;health-care&#8217; to supposed indigent children. Except the &#8216;children&#8217; are now minors up until age 25 and are now &#8216;indigent&#8217; even if their respective families earn up to $86,ooo dollars in income. Further people who can afford &#8216;private insurance&#8217; will now receive mandatory &#8216;government insurance&#8217; paid for by our TAX DOLLARS!!! Some &#8216;SOCIALIST DEMBHOLE RIP-OFF eh??? &#8216;Let&#8217;s do it for the chilluns&#8217; &#8211; Ha!!! DEMBHOLE SOCIALISTA TURDHEADS!!!</p>
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