Comments on: Ron Paul Raises $ 5 Million In Third-Quarter http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: TC http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39065 TC Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:11:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39065 UCrawford's point about the last 2 weeks is a very good one. It's OK to run ads in the 1-2 weeks right before an election if you're (1) the front-runner, (2) well-known to the populace for a LONG time (not a recently-minted phenomenon), (3) fighting back against a specific charge that has been leveled against you, or (4) some combination of all of these. But as far as an "outsider" candidate like Dr. Paul, at least some $$ should be spent on TV and radio ads in the upcoming 2 months (before Christmas). Unfortunately, the tech-savvy voters who read online political discussions are not enough to win a state-wide election, even if they ALL break for Ron Paul. The older/less-connected voter must be introduced to the candidate and his message of freedom, peace, and respect for individual rights before Christmas. Some people up-thread have commented that this is already in the works. If so, awesome. UCrawford’s point about the last 2 weeks is a very good one. It’s OK to run ads in the 1-2 weeks right before an election if you’re (1) the front-runner, (2) well-known to the populace for a LONG time (not a recently-minted phenomenon), (3) fighting back against a specific charge that has been leveled against you, or (4) some combination of all of these.

But as far as an “outsider” candidate like Dr. Paul, at least some $$ should be spent on TV and radio ads in the upcoming 2 months (before Christmas). Unfortunately, the tech-savvy voters who read online political discussions are not enough to win a state-wide election, even if they ALL break for Ron Paul. The older/less-connected voter must be introduced to the candidate and his message of freedom, peace, and respect for individual rights before Christmas.

Some people up-thread have commented that this is already in the works. If so, awesome.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39034 UCrawford Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:40:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39034 Jeff, Tried to find the info address on your site but couldn't. If you want to chat off-line, I can be reached at nomadks@lycos.com Jeff,

Tried to find the info address on your site but couldn’t. If you want to chat off-line, I can be reached at nomadks@lycos.com

]]> By: Gerry http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39017 Gerry Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:05:55 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-39017 If you send a man to chop a cord of would with his hands tied behind his back not much will be done.. Ron Paul could end up in the White House this way. We must couple all our efforts with promoting the action of not voting for ANY incumbent, ever again, and by default have have TERM LIMITS. We must neuter the professionals and send people who want to serve and go home, not become tools of the Corporations and Military Industrial Complex. If you send a man to chop a cord of would with his hands tied behind his back not much will be done.. Ron Paul could end up in the White House this way. We must couple all our efforts with promoting the action of not voting for ANY incumbent, ever again, and by default have have TERM LIMITS. We must neuter the professionals and send people who want to serve and go home, not become tools of the Corporations and Military Industrial Complex.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38999 Jeff Molby Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:48:16 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38999 Read my last point again, UC. I agree with you. Click to my website and shoot an email to the "info@" address. I'd like to be able to chat with you off the record. Read my last point again, UC. I agree with you.

Click to my website and shoot an email to the “info@” address. I’d like to be able to chat with you off the record.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38995 UCrawford Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:10:46 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38995 Jeff, I was the press coordinator for a gubernatorial campaign back in 1994 and we ran into problems with our ad campaign. We were fairly strapped for cash so we had to be tight with our ad dollars and pick our spots. The campaign manager and I thought that it would be smart to do our ad blitz two months before the vote. The candidate disagreed and thought it was best to go two weeks prior. What we discovered was that a) our ads got completely lost in the noise because every other candidate decided to pick up the tempo of their ads at that time and start bashing each other (and our candidate got left in the dust), and b) it wouldn't have mattered anyway because voters make the final decision on who they're going to vote for before then. Waiting until the last minute might help for someone who's already got name recognition or is sitting on a lead. For someone who's trailing in the polls and doesn't have the recognition the message needs to get out much sooner so the uncommitted voters can get a sense of the candidate because they'll rarely vote for someone they only heard of two weeks prior. People in presidential elections rarely seem to make their choices on impulse. Jeff,

I was the press coordinator for a gubernatorial campaign back in 1994 and we ran into problems with our ad campaign. We were fairly strapped for cash so we had to be tight with our ad dollars and pick our spots. The campaign manager and I thought that it would be smart to do our ad blitz two months before the vote. The candidate disagreed and thought it was best to go two weeks prior. What we discovered was that a) our ads got completely lost in the noise because every other candidate decided to pick up the tempo of their ads at that time and start bashing each other (and our candidate got left in the dust), and b) it wouldn’t have mattered anyway because voters make the final decision on who they’re going to vote for before then.

Waiting until the last minute might help for someone who’s already got name recognition or is sitting on a lead. For someone who’s trailing in the polls and doesn’t have the recognition the message needs to get out much sooner so the uncommitted voters can get a sense of the candidate because they’ll rarely vote for someone they only heard of two weeks prior. People in presidential elections rarely seem to make their choices on impulse.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38985 Jeff Molby Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:01:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38985 <blockquote>In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. — spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended.</blockquote> There are worse strategies than to hoard everything until the last few weeks, but I don't think it's the best. Someone wrote an article a week or two ago saying RP08 has been too cautious and needs to step on the gas starting now. Spending money in 4Q07 will generate more money and votes. Spending money in 1Q08 will only generate votes. Heck, if they <em>don't</em> spend $10m this quarter, they're not going to attract enough supporters to gross $12m. We're close enough to the finish line that it's time to approach a sprinting pace. <blockquote>I think the compliment should actually go to Jeff. He’s the one working for Paul’s campaign :)</blockquote> "with", not "for". I don't have much money, so I donate whatever free time and energy I can scrape together.

In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. — spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended.

There are worse strategies than to hoard everything until the last few weeks, but I don’t think it’s the best. Someone wrote an article a week or two ago saying RP08 has been too cautious and needs to step on the gas starting now.

Spending money in 4Q07 will generate more money and votes. Spending money in 1Q08 will only generate votes. Heck, if they don’t spend $10m this quarter, they’re not going to attract enough supporters to gross $12m.

We’re close enough to the finish line that it’s time to approach a sprinting pace.

I think the compliment should actually go to Jeff. He’s the one working for Paul’s campaign :)

“with”, not “for”. I don’t have much money, so I donate whatever free time and energy I can scrape together.

]]> By: Greg http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38983 Greg Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:52:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38983 Doug, it depends on how much money you think you can earn by the amount of money you spend. If Ron spends his 5 million to earn 12, he's ahead than if he spends 2 and earns 8. Paul is doing a good job not spending more than he has, but if he wants to get out there and get himself noticed, that's alot of flying, ad campaigning and events that he has to get put on to make sure everybody knows Paul's name and message come January of '08. Hopefully, the more he spends, the more supporters come aboard and given him even more money to spend and expand. Doug, it depends on how much money you think you can earn by the amount of money you spend. If Ron spends his 5 million to earn 12, he’s ahead than if he spends 2 and earns 8. Paul is doing a good job not spending more than he has, but if he wants to get out there and get himself noticed, that’s alot of flying, ad campaigning and events that he has to get put on to make sure everybody knows Paul’s name and message come January of ’08. Hopefully, the more he spends, the more supporters come aboard and given him even more money to spend and expand.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38981 Doug Mataconis Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:25:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38981 <blockquote>In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. -- spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended.</blockquote> I'm not sure if you're reading it right or not, but that isn't really a smart strategy given the fact that the `08 primaries are front-loaded, meaning that any campaign that wants to compete seriously will need to have serious $ on hand during the Q1 of '08

In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. — spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended.

I’m not sure if you’re reading it right or not, but that isn’t really a smart strategy given the fact that the `08 primaries are front-loaded, meaning that any campaign that wants to compete seriously will need to have serious $ on hand during the Q1 of ’08

]]> By: Buckwheat http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38980 Buckwheat Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:20:51 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38980 Joshua Holmes: "ABC ran a puff piece on Paul on its national news program tonight. Can we now shut up about the “MSM CONSPIRACY BLACKOUT OMG BILDERBERGS”?" One puff piece does not a media attitude make. The MSM are generally hostile to Ron Paul's campaign. Not every member of the MSM, but the overall vibe of piece is much different from their take on, say, Romney or Obama. Joshua Holmes:

“ABC ran a puff piece on Paul on its national news program tonight. Can we now shut up about the “MSM CONSPIRACY BLACKOUT OMG BILDERBERGS”?”

One puff piece does not a media attitude make. The MSM are generally hostile to Ron Paul’s campaign. Not every member of the MSM, but the overall vibe of piece is much different from their take on, say, Romney or Obama.

]]> By: Buckwheat http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38979 Buckwheat Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:18:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38979 Jeff Molby: "Just look at the Q4 goal: $12m. The pursestring has been loosened. They’re going to spend $10m and pull in $12m and their poll numbers are going to double at least once more before the end of the year." In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. -- spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended. Makes sense! Just ask McCain... Jeff Molby:

“Just look at the Q4 goal: $12m. The pursestring has been loosened. They’re going to spend $10m and pull in $12m and their poll numbers are going to double at least once more before the end of the year.”

In fact I think the idea is to spend the $5 mil they made this quarter. That seems to be the camapigns M.O. — spend exactly what was taken in the previous quarter, and bank all the contributions from the quarter just ended.

Makes sense! Just ask McCain…

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38977 Joshua Holmes Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:07:54 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38977 ABC ran a puff piece on Paul on its national news program tonight. Can we now shut up about the "MSM CONSPIRACY BLACKOUT OMG BILDERBERGS"? ABC ran a puff piece on Paul on its national news program tonight. Can we now shut up about the “MSM CONSPIRACY BLACKOUT OMG BILDERBERGS”?

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38976 UCrawford Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:34:15 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38976 oilnwater, Fair enough, I did make that assumption based on your remarks (since it's a pretty common theme that's been posted on these threads) and I shouldn't have done so. I don't disagree that Fox News is biased and that their coverage of Paul has been hostile (a couple of the many reasons I never watch their shitty network except for football). I'm just saying that it's within their rights to be that way. oilnwater,

Fair enough, I did make that assumption based on your remarks (since it’s a pretty common theme that’s been posted on these threads) and I shouldn’t have done so.

I don’t disagree that Fox News is biased and that their coverage of Paul has been hostile (a couple of the many reasons I never watch their shitty network except for football). I’m just saying that it’s within their rights to be that way.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38975 oilnwater Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:30:13 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38975 uh, you just made that assumption. or you tried to make it for me at the least. seeing as how we dont know each other, i'll let it go. just know that i'm hardcore RP, but not hardcore illogical. further, i've never professed or believed in a grand MSM blackout or smear conspiracy of him. at the same time, i've seen Fox continually black him out or smear/marginalize him if they do cover him for the last 8 months or so. two exceptions were a positive video 1min blurb of him on Brit Hume, and Bill O'Reilly's relatively good treatment of him while having him as a guest.(using "relative" in a strong sense.) uh, you just made that assumption. or you tried to make it for me at the least. seeing as how we dont know each other, i’ll let it go. just know that i’m hardcore RP, but not hardcore illogical. further, i’ve never professed or believed in a grand MSM blackout or smear conspiracy of him. at the same time, i’ve seen Fox continually black him out or smear/marginalize him if they do cover him for the last 8 months or so.

two exceptions were a positive video 1min blurb of him on Brit Hume, and Bill O’Reilly’s relatively good treatment of him while having him as a guest.(using “relative” in a strong sense.)

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38974 UCrawford Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:20:07 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38974 Bob, I think the compliment should actually go to Jeff. He's the one working for Paul's campaign :) Bob,

I think the compliment should actually go to Jeff. He’s the one working for Paul’s campaign :)

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38973 UCrawford Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:18:54 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/03/ron-paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter/#comment-38973 oilnwater, Your point is cogent as long as you accept that Fox News has absolutely no obligation to give air time to Ron Paul or any other political candidate they don't want to give air time to. Feeling that they're being dismissive of Paul is understandable. Assuming that they have an obligation to act otherwise is not. oilnwater,

Your point is cogent as long as you accept that Fox News has absolutely no obligation to give air time to Ron Paul or any other political candidate they don’t want to give air time to. Feeling that they’re being dismissive of Paul is understandable. Assuming that they have an obligation to act otherwise is not.

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