Comments on: Ron Paul Beats Mitt Romney http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rob http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39937 Rob Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:59:33 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39937 I agree that Romney has as good a chance as Fred or Rudy, but I think it is BECAUSE of his flip-flops not in spite of them. If Romney were still a pro-abortion, pro-immigration, pro-gay marriage candidate, he would be going nowhere. He has positioned himself as a conservative alternative to Rudy Giuliani and, now that McCain's campaign has nose-dived, he just has to wait for Thompson implode in order to get one-on-one with Giuliani. He will then emerge as the only option for conservative-minded voters. If he can run as strong a campaign as John Kerry did against GWB then Republicans will at least have a fighting chance at the Congressional level. That's about as much as they can hope for at this stage of the game. A fly in the ointment could be Ron Paul. New Hampshirites hate the War in Iraq and they hate taxes. RP fits their mood pretty well and he has the money to put up a good fight there. Last poll I saw put him at only 6% but that's twice what he does nationally and he's barely started to campaign. Moreover, the national campaign seems to be putting more emphasis on New Hampshire than on Iowa. I don't think that it's out of the question that RP could win in New Hampshire and blow Romney's campaign out of the water. I would kind of hate to see that because it would help Giuliani and Giuliani's the worst possible option. Romney, though not good, is a lot less bad than Rudy. But sometimes that's the price you have to pay to get the message across. I don't see how RP can win the GOP nomination, but I think that he can have a real impact on the race. If RP can win in NH or even have a strong showing, the GOP split on the war will be out in the open. It will also probably force Democrats to be a little less cagey on the issue and a little more specific about what troops they will withdraw and when. And that's without even getting into the issue of Iran. I agree that Romney has as good a chance as Fred or Rudy, but I think it is BECAUSE of his flip-flops not in spite of them. If Romney were still a pro-abortion, pro-immigration, pro-gay marriage candidate, he would be going nowhere. He has positioned himself as a conservative alternative to Rudy Giuliani and, now that McCain’s campaign has nose-dived, he just has to wait for Thompson implode in order to get one-on-one with Giuliani. He will then emerge as the only option for conservative-minded voters.

If he can run as strong a campaign as John Kerry did against GWB then Republicans will at least have a fighting chance at the Congressional level. That’s about as much as they can hope for at this stage of the game.

A fly in the ointment could be Ron Paul. New Hampshirites hate the War in Iraq and they hate taxes. RP fits their mood pretty well and he has the money to put up a good fight there. Last poll I saw put him at only 6% but that’s twice what he does nationally and he’s barely started to campaign. Moreover, the national campaign seems to be putting more emphasis on New Hampshire than on Iowa. I don’t think that it’s out of the question that RP could win in New Hampshire and blow Romney’s campaign out of the water.

I would kind of hate to see that because it would help Giuliani and Giuliani’s the worst possible option. Romney, though not good, is a lot less bad than Rudy. But sometimes that’s the price you have to pay to get the message across.

I don’t see how RP can win the GOP nomination, but I think that he can have a real impact on the race. If RP can win in NH or even have a strong showing, the GOP split on the war will be out in the open. It will also probably force Democrats to be a little less cagey on the issue and a little more specific about what troops they will withdraw and when. And that’s without even getting into the issue of Iran.

]]> By: Bob http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39930 Bob Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:10:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39930 Once real votes are cast all these straw polls will be forgotten. I agree that Mitt's flip flops will hurt him, but he's got as good of a chance at the nomination as Rudy or Fred. Once real votes are cast all these straw polls will be forgotten. I agree that Mitt’s flip flops will hurt him, but he’s got as good of a chance at the nomination as Rudy or Fred.

]]> By: Norm Nelson http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39928 Norm Nelson Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:53:56 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39928 This is the news release archive from CLC website. http://conservablogs.com/clc2007/?p=102#more-102 McCain had a real bad day. Ron Paul 32.80% Mitt Romney 16.13% Duncan Hunter 14.52% Undecided 11.29% Fred Thompson 7.53% Rudy Giuliani 6.45% Alan Keyes 3.76% Mike Huckabee 3.23% Tom Tancredo 1.61% John McCain 1.08% Other 1.08% Sam Brownback 0.54% This is the news release archive from CLC website. http://conservablogs.com/clc2007/?p=102#more-102

McCain had a real bad day.

Ron Paul 32.80%

Mitt Romney 16.13%

Duncan Hunter 14.52%

Undecided 11.29%

Fred Thompson 7.53%

Rudy Giuliani 6.45%

Alan Keyes 3.76%

Mike Huckabee 3.23%

Tom Tancredo 1.61%

John McCain 1.08%

Other 1.08%

Sam Brownback 0.54%

]]> By: John Newmna http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39926 John Newmna Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:04:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39926 ***UPDATE***Correction: An earlier version of this post had incorrect straw poll results. Romney was NOT fourth, but second. The post below is now correct. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/14/410525.aspx ***UPDATE***Correction: An earlier version of this post had incorrect straw poll results. Romney was NOT fourth, but second. The post below is now correct.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/14/410525.aspx

]]> By: TanGeng http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39925 TanGeng Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:01:42 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39925 Doug, Despite all your usual RP skepticism, you really have to make note that the CLC is very much internet based and highly libertarian. Ron Paul gels well with that crowd. It's the folks that aren't well wired that RP needs to convince. This straw poll doesn't count for anything. But yeah, Mitt Romney is crap and so are the rest of the high flying Republican candidates. Doug,

Despite all your usual RP skepticism, you really have to make note that the CLC is very much internet based and highly libertarian. Ron Paul gels well with that crowd. It’s the folks that aren’t well wired that RP needs to convince. This straw poll doesn’t count for anything. But yeah, Mitt Romney is crap and so are the rest of the high flying Republican candidates.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39920 UCrawford Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:19:29 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39920 He's the Republican version of John Kerry. He'll say whatever is popular with the audience he's speaking to, even if everyone knows he doesn't believe it. It cost Kerry the election in 2004, it'll cost Romney the primary. Must be something in the water in Massachusetts. He’s the Republican version of John Kerry. He’ll say whatever is popular with the audience he’s speaking to, even if everyone knows he doesn’t believe it. It cost Kerry the election in 2004, it’ll cost Romney the primary. Must be something in the water in Massachusetts.

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39911 Joshua Holmes Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:40:52 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/15/ron-paul-beats-mitt-romney/#comment-39911 He would have probably done better by not showing up at all. When I've seen him, he looks like a machine constructed by aliens. These aliens have only ever seen men from Sears catalogs and have only ever heard humans speak in political commercials. The result is a candidate that is handsome, but speaks like a political commercial. Having never seen humans communicate, the aliens don't realise that humans need to breathe, blink, smile, frown, and use body language to communicate, either. He would have probably done better by not showing up at all. When I’ve seen him, he looks like a machine constructed by aliens. These aliens have only ever seen men from Sears catalogs and have only ever heard humans speak in political commercials. The result is a candidate that is handsome, but speaks like a political commercial. Having never seen humans communicate, the aliens don’t realise that humans need to breathe, blink, smile, frown, and use body language to communicate, either.

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