Comments on: Verizon Admits It Turned Over Customer Data Without A Warrant http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:11:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40025 Jeff Molby Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:44:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40025 No, Stephen, they asked nicely with the implied threat of force. Qwest stood up to them successfully. If the others had done so as well, it would have weakened the government's position. Instead, Verizon and the rest surrendered without a single shot being fired. They sold out their customers. These aren't mom and pop businesses. The telecoms have a lot of lawyers on staff; it's not too much to ask that they at least fight a couple rounds against the govt before capitulating. No, Stephen, they asked nicely with the implied threat of force. Qwest stood up to them successfully. If the others had done so as well, it would have weakened the government’s position.

Instead, Verizon and the rest surrendered without a single shot being fired. They sold out their customers.

These aren’t mom and pop businesses. The telecoms have a lot of lawyers on staff; it’s not too much to ask that they at least fight a couple rounds against the govt before capitulating.

]]> By: Stephen Littau http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40015 Stephen Littau Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:19:59 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40015 It's very hard for me to find fault with Verison. Imagine being in Verison's position: a federal agent demands phone records. What are you going to do, tell them no? When you tell the government no, you run the risk of being audited, regulated or worse. I'm not sure you can say that what Verison is doing is voluntary; government doesn't ask nicley, government uses force. It’s very hard for me to find fault with Verison. Imagine being in Verison’s position: a federal agent demands phone records. What are you going to do, tell them no? When you tell the government no, you run the risk of being audited, regulated or worse.

I’m not sure you can say that what Verison is doing is voluntary; government doesn’t ask nicley, government uses force.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40006 Jeff Molby Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:28:42 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/16/verizon-admits-it-turned-over-customer-data-without-a-warrant/#comment-40006 <blockquote>it’s not their job to enforce the provisions of the Fourth Amendment</blockquote> True, but isn't there more than just the 4th at work here? Don't the telecommunications laws specifically forbid them from divulging certain info?

it’s not their job to enforce the provisions of the Fourth Amendment

True, but isn’t there more than just the 4th at work here? Don’t the telecommunications laws specifically forbid them from divulging certain info?

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