Comments on: Ron Paul Comes In Fourth http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 22 May 2013 18:26:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Vladimir http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41130 Vladimir Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:42:49 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41130 Hmmm, funny how you see no one complaining about this poll being “hijacked” by non-Paul supporters.

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Be honest, do you think that a candidate who hasn’t breached 10% at this point in the race has a chance of winning the nomination ?

Absolutely. Two reason:

-An obscure congressman was not going get any significant coverage until he distanced himself from the peleton. That has happened and the coverage has improved.
-He’s just now starting to spend money.

Expect to see his awareness over 50% nationally by the end of the year. 80-90% in the early states.

]]> By: Greg http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41065 Greg Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:44:01 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41065 This was an internet based poll I believe, in that you had to sign up online with Zogby for them to send you this poll. I was one of those that signed up and voted. I think this reflects more the online biases. You have alot of people online that really dislike the frontrunners (us, moveon.org) and people who dislike the fringe (Red State, Townhall, Kos). Those in the middle get a pass here because they are least objectionable, but that doesn’t mean that they’re set to win. Huckabee is running out of money because his support is lukewarm (“nice guy, maybe I’ll consider him in the primaries, but I’m not about to give money to him), Richardson and Obama are fighting against fate itself (Emperess Hillary) and the republicans aren’t really paying attention to them online. So don’t assume that just because Hillary is more objectionable than Rudy that she can’t completely wipe the floor with him. She can and she will and I’ll be sitting at home with a bowl of popcorn watching the howls of despair when the neocons realize everything they’ve done was for naught.

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Be honest, do you think that a candidate who hasn’t breached 10% at this point in the race has a chance of winning the nomination ?

Yeah, I’m looking forward to another Clinton administration…

]]> By: js290 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41048 js290 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:13:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41048

If Ron Paul actually proposed even 1/10 of the things incorrectly attributed, he would be a f!@#in idiot.

You’re arguing with a know-it-all college student…

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41047 Doug Mataconis Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:02:31 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41047 Jeff,

Be honest, do you think that a candidate who hasn’t breached 10% at this point in the race has a chance of winning the nomination ?

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41045 Jeff Molby Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:14:38 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41045

Like withdrawing from the UN, the WTO

I suppose you can’t gradually change those. It’s not like they would have a direct impact on every day life though.

abolishing the Federal Reserve

He has clearly stated that he wouldn’t pursue that unless and until a competing currency has been established.

letting passengers carry guns on airplanes

He most definitely did not say that. He would repeal federal restrictions and let the airlines decide how to protect their customers and property. And he would do it gradually.

If Ron Paul actually proposed even 1/10 of the things incorrectly attributed, he would be a f!@#in idiot.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41039 Kevin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:53:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41039

No, aside from the war, every policy change he proposes would be gradual. Please don’t spread myths.

Like withdrawing from the UN, the WTO, abolishing the Federal Reserve, letting passengers carry guns on airplanes…..

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41010 Jeff Molby Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:04:38 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-41010 Did anyone read the fine print?
This poll was conducted online. Conduct the same poll offline and you’ll get 89% respond, “Who?”

Anyone who is online often enough to register with Zogby has a strong opinion of Paul by now. You can win with high negatives if your positives are equally passionate.

I’m not sure what the source of the high negatives is

He espouses ideas that run contrary to the “conventional wisdom”. If you’re willing to challenge the conventional wisdom, you see that he’s right and you love him. If not, you think he’s a moron that would destroy the place.

I’m not sure what the source of the high negatives is

it could be one explanation for poll numbers consistently below 10%.

No, read Forbes and Gallup.

He has only recently reached 11% awareness. Of those that are aware of his candidacy, 33% find him appealing. That’s in the same ballpark as the big names.

33% times 11% = 3.6%

And it just so happens that a least squares trend line for the Gallup polls puts him at just a hair under 4%.

At this stage of the game, awareness is easy to build. His numbers will go up according.

Now, everyone quite worrying and get back to work. :) We have a busy quarter ahead of us.

2) Views. The American people believe in gradual change for the most part. Paul is a radical.

No, aside from the war, every policy change he proposes would be gradual. Please don’t spread myths.

]]> By: Bob http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40996 Bob Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:02:29 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40996 Doug,
Your right those numbers are especially bad for someone like Paul. I’m surprised that 47% knew enough about him to say they would never vote for him. I saw a Iowa poll that showed that 71% had ruled out Paul. The same poll showed his favorable/unfavorable ratio was about 1:1. I’m also surprised that 47% knew enough about Gravel to never vote for him. Those numbers seem too high for unknown candidates.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40995 Doug Mataconis Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:38:41 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40995 Kevin,

2) Views. The American people believe in gradual change for the most part. Paul is a radical.

I think there’s some wisdom in this. Radicals have never done well in American politics and, at least on the Republican side, Ron Paul is the most radical candidate in the race.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40994 Doug Mataconis Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:43 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40994 Bob,

For a candidate whose name recognition is still low like Paul’s is, high negatives like that are not good.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40992 Kevin Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:27:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40992 1) Personality. Paul comes off as too angry.

2) Views. The American people believe in gradual change for the most part. Paul is a radical.

]]> By: somebody http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40991 somebody Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:16:53 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40991 By extremist I meant they want to seriously change the status quo. Of course, there are exceptions (and the candidate’s own personality comes into play as well), but for the most part that’s the way the candidates seem to be listed.

]]> By: Bob http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40990 Bob Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:57:54 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/21/ron-paul-comes-in-fourth/#comment-40990 If the reason Paul is consistently below 10% is his high negatives, then why is Giulini the leading Republican candidate when his negatives are only slightly (4%)lower?
I also don’t buy that the extremists are at the top and the moderates are at the bottom. Clinton’s negative is 50%(highest) and Obama is at 37%(3rd from bottom). What definition of moderate and extreme explains that?

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