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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/23/would-ron-paul-beat-hillary-or-obama/#comment-43258</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[News Flash - Ron Paul hit the higest one day contributions to his coffers, 2.4 mil, IN ONE DAY!
Seems he is gaining ground.

The only way Hillary can win is if the conservitives (less government) are divided into multiple candidates, like how Bill Clinton got elected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News Flash &#8211; Ron Paul hit the higest one day contributions to his coffers, 2.4 mil, IN ONE DAY!<br />
Seems he is gaining ground.</p>
<p>The only way Hillary can win is if the conservitives (less government) are divided into multiple candidates, like how Bill Clinton got elected.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if 51% of the people have expressed they would &quot;NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY&quot; then how do you get that she is 38% the favorite over Ron Paul?

Ron Paul&#039;s major drawback is he still believes that the people should be taxed, when it has been proven the Government doesn&#039;t need it. The 2003 tax cut reduced the deficit by 48 billion. The congress has to stop the pork spending. period.

Ron Paul&#039;s other shortcoming is that he wants to get out of Iraq immediately. The results would be devastating, check any serious analysis. It also shows he doesn&#039;t understand the Mid-East stability issues and how it would effect us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if 51% of the people have expressed they would &#8220;NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY&#8221; then how do you get that she is 38% the favorite over Ron Paul?</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s major drawback is he still believes that the people should be taxed, when it has been proven the Government doesn&#8217;t need it. The 2003 tax cut reduced the deficit by 48 billion. The congress has to stop the pork spending. period.</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s other shortcoming is that he wants to get out of Iraq immediately. The results would be devastating, check any serious analysis. It also shows he doesn&#8217;t understand the Mid-East stability issues and how it would effect us.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/23/would-ron-paul-beat-hillary-or-obama/#comment-41915</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,

Let&#039;s see, there&#039;s Buchanan&#039;s nativism, his opposition to immigration in any form even legal, his protectionism, his position on the regulation of so-called &quot;obscenity&quot;, his position on prayer in public schools.

Need I go on ?

If you are asking me to choose between Buchanan and Giuliani, I choose neither.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, there&#8217;s Buchanan&#8217;s nativism, his opposition to immigration in any form even legal, his protectionism, his position on the regulation of so-called &#8220;obscenity&#8221;, his position on prayer in public schools.</p>
<p>Need I go on ?</p>
<p>If you are asking me to choose between Buchanan and Giuliani, I choose neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,
   I think George&#039;s main disagreement with the GOP is the war and Buchanan is against the war.  
Buchanan is a lot closer to Paul than Giuliani.  Buchanan and Paul are against the war, pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, pro-low taxes and pro-border security.  Paul and Giuliani both agree that Hillary shouldn&#039;t be president and ... hmm.  Can you come up with any?  I know Pat&#039;s far from perfect but Giuliani?!!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
   I think George&#8217;s main disagreement with the GOP is the war and Buchanan is against the war.<br />
Buchanan is a lot closer to Paul than Giuliani.  Buchanan and Paul are against the war, pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, pro-low taxes and pro-border security.  Paul and Giuliani both agree that Hillary shouldn&#8217;t be president and &#8230; hmm.  Can you come up with any?  I know Pat&#8217;s far from perfect but Giuliani?!!?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/23/would-ron-paul-beat-hillary-or-obama/#comment-41909</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,

&lt;blockquote&gt;what about Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Broun?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Buchanan ? Are you serious ? The guy is a paleo-conservative, isolationist, authoritarian. I&#039;d no sooner vote for him than Giuliani.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<blockquote><p>what about Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Broun?</p></blockquote>
<p>Buchanan ? Are you serious ? The guy is a paleo-conservative, isolationist, authoritarian. I&#8217;d no sooner vote for him than Giuliani.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Paul supporters will run for the high grass after the 1st defeat.  I think a significant number will stay with the Republican party.  They realize that the Republicans give their ideas a platform that no 3rd party can offer.  Many Paul supporters have started to attend Republican party functions and have found out that they are not alone.
If you want socialized health care and the other joys of another Clinton presidency vote LP.  That will teach those Republicans a lesson.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Paul supporters will run for the high grass after the 1st defeat.  I think a significant number will stay with the Republican party.  They realize that the Republicans give their ideas a platform that no 3rd party can offer.  Many Paul supporters have started to attend Republican party functions and have found out that they are not alone.<br />
If you want socialized health care and the other joys of another Clinton presidency vote LP.  That will teach those Republicans a lesson.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re wrong. I think the libertarian wing is merely understated because it&#039;s been beaten down for quite some time. I also think Ron Paul waking it up and giving it a reason to thump its chest again. And if all goes well, it&#039;ll be the bulk of the party that has to choose between the lesser of two &quot;evils&quot; this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re wrong. I think the libertarian wing is merely understated because it&#8217;s been beaten down for quite some time. I also think Ron Paul waking it up and giving it a reason to thump its chest again. And if all goes well, it&#8217;ll be the bulk of the party that has to choose between the lesser of two &#8220;evils&#8221; this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

Unfortunately, the libertarian wing of the GOP is so small that I doubt it would really have much of an impact on a national election. 

And, in the context of 2008, where the GOP is almost certainly destined to lose the White House regardless of who the nominee is, I don&#039;t think anyones going to notice if you, me, or a few more libertarians don&#039;t vote Republcian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the libertarian wing of the GOP is so small that I doubt it would really have much of an impact on a national election. </p>
<p>And, in the context of 2008, where the GOP is almost certainly destined to lose the White House regardless of who the nominee is, I don&#8217;t think anyones going to notice if you, me, or a few more libertarians don&#8217;t vote Republcian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/23/would-ron-paul-beat-hillary-or-obama/#comment-41868</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I find it ironic that libertarians, who supposedly believe in free minds, get so bent out of shape when one of their own dares to raise questions about a favored candidate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you check the history, you&#039;ll see that I gave you the benefit of the doubt for at least a month. However, it eventually became apparent that your commentary on RP was consistently tabloid-esque. I can get that tripe from the MSM. 

Show me some real intellectual writing and I will respond in kind. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;beginning the process of taking back the GOP certainly is — assuming there are people willing to do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A minority can&#039;t influence the majority unless it&#039;s willing to walk. The Christian Right know this, but they&#039;re probably already bluffing. The libertarians. 

If we made it clear that the GOP could no longer win an election without seriously paying attention to us, they would in a heartbeat. 

I&#039;ve voted R many times in the past and I&#039;ll do so many times in the future so long as they meet my one condition: start reducing the size of the government. 

I&#039;m not vindictive; I&#039;m just no longer willing to sacrifice my long term interests for a miniscule short term benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I find it ironic that libertarians, who supposedly believe in free minds, get so bent out of shape when one of their own dares to raise questions about a favored candidate.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you check the history, you&#8217;ll see that I gave you the benefit of the doubt for at least a month. However, it eventually became apparent that your commentary on RP was consistently tabloid-esque. I can get that tripe from the MSM. </p>
<p>Show me some real intellectual writing and I will respond in kind. </p>
<blockquote><p>beginning the process of taking back the GOP certainly is — assuming there are people willing to do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>A minority can&#8217;t influence the majority unless it&#8217;s willing to walk. The Christian Right know this, but they&#8217;re probably already bluffing. The libertarians. </p>
<p>If we made it clear that the GOP could no longer win an election without seriously paying attention to us, they would in a heartbeat. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve voted R many times in the past and I&#8217;ll do so many times in the future so long as they meet my one condition: start reducing the size of the government. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not vindictive; I&#8217;m just no longer willing to sacrifice my long term interests for a miniscule short term benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead of leaving the party after the Paul campaign stay in the party and help change it. The only candidates that are going to win are Democrats and Republicans changing to some other party gives you less say in who eventually wins. I’m not saying you should vote Republican in the general election but stay in the major party that comes closest to your views and work to improve it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given that most of the Paul supporters I&#039;ve spoken to, and the ones who&#039;ve posted here, have made it clear that they aren&#039;t going to vote for any Republican other than Ron Paul, how likely do you think it is that this will happen on a large scale ?

Personally, that&#039;s what I was hoping would come of RP&#039;s candidacy. Winning the nomination was never a realistic option, but beginning the process of taking back the GOP certainly is --- assuming there are people willing to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Instead of leaving the party after the Paul campaign stay in the party and help change it. The only candidates that are going to win are Democrats and Republicans changing to some other party gives you less say in who eventually wins. I’m not saying you should vote Republican in the general election but stay in the major party that comes closest to your views and work to improve it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given that most of the Paul supporters I&#8217;ve spoken to, and the ones who&#8217;ve posted here, have made it clear that they aren&#8217;t going to vote for any Republican other than Ron Paul, how likely do you think it is that this will happen on a large scale ?</p>
<p>Personally, that&#8217;s what I was hoping would come of RP&#8217;s candidacy. Winning the nomination was never a realistic option, but beginning the process of taking back the GOP certainly is &#8212; assuming there are people willing to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/23/would-ron-paul-beat-hillary-or-obama/#comment-41842</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s just Mataconis, George. The other authors are pretty good&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I find it ironic that libertarians, who supposedly believe in free minds, get so bent out of shape when one of their own dares to raise questions about a favored candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s just Mataconis, George. The other authors are pretty good</p></blockquote>
<p>I find it ironic that libertarians, who supposedly believe in free minds, get so bent out of shape when one of their own dares to raise questions about a favored candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might want to investigate the Republican Liberty Caucus.  You won&#039;t be alone in the fight to take back our party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to investigate the Republican Liberty Caucus.  You won&#8217;t be alone in the fight to take back our party.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You give up much too easily!  Yes, the neocons are in charge but that won’t always be true.  But to change it conservatives are going to need every activist and voter they can get.    You say &quot;I don’t see anyone in the GOP standing up to fight those hijackers&quot; what about Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Broun?  Broun won a special election in Georgia a few months ago.  Google him, I think you’ll like what you see.  I know that none of these guys are perfect but they are steps in the right direction.  

You ask &quot;Why would you kick out the only man who resonates with 65% or more of the people..?&quot;  I assume you’re referring to RP’s anti war stance.  While its true that most voters are against the war its also true that most voters don’t agree with Paul’s stand to &quot;just march home&quot;.  Listen to the Democrats, Clinton and Obama won’t promise to have the troops home by the end of their 1st terms.  Obama and Clinton have done their homework, they realize where most Americans want to hear.  As for the Redstate ban, that was partially the fault of RP supporters.  Some of them were pretty sad.  They need to offer more to the discussion than Run Ron Run and like Hitler the neocons are pro war while Ron Paul is anti war like Mother Theresa.

Never ever give up!  I look forward to seeing you in a foxhole fighting for good conservative values!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You give up much too easily!  Yes, the neocons are in charge but that won’t always be true.  But to change it conservatives are going to need every activist and voter they can get.    You say &#8220;I don’t see anyone in the GOP standing up to fight those hijackers&#8221; what about Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Broun?  Broun won a special election in Georgia a few months ago.  Google him, I think you’ll like what you see.  I know that none of these guys are perfect but they are steps in the right direction.  </p>
<p>You ask &#8220;Why would you kick out the only man who resonates with 65% or more of the people..?&#8221;  I assume you’re referring to RP’s anti war stance.  While its true that most voters are against the war its also true that most voters don’t agree with Paul’s stand to &#8220;just march home&#8221;.  Listen to the Democrats, Clinton and Obama won’t promise to have the troops home by the end of their 1st terms.  Obama and Clinton have done their homework, they realize where most Americans want to hear.  As for the Redstate ban, that was partially the fault of RP supporters.  Some of them were pretty sad.  They need to offer more to the discussion than Run Ron Run and like Hitler the neocons are pro war while Ron Paul is anti war like Mother Theresa.</p>
<p>Never ever give up!  I look forward to seeing you in a foxhole fighting for good conservative values!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Can I ask what the purpose of this publication is? You call yourself liberty papers but then consistently seem to back socialist candidates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s just Mataconis, George. The other authors are pretty good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can I ask what the purpose of this publication is? You call yourself liberty papers but then consistently seem to back socialist candidates.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s just Mataconis, George. The other authors are pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I ask what the purpose of this publication is?  You call yourself liberty papers but then consistently seem to back socialist candidates.

For example, this article.  The fact that Ron Paul who has no name recognition at all is doing so well against her shows that he is really moving up.  You left out the part that showed that he gained four points in a week - a funny thing to leave out unless you are for the socialist candidate and you continually put him down.

I don&#039;t understand you.  You seem to have an identity crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask what the purpose of this publication is?  You call yourself liberty papers but then consistently seem to back socialist candidates.</p>
<p>For example, this article.  The fact that Ron Paul who has no name recognition at all is doing so well against her shows that he is really moving up.  You left out the part that showed that he gained four points in a week &#8211; a funny thing to leave out unless you are for the socialist candidate and you continually put him down.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand you.  You seem to have an identity crisis.</p>
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