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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41592</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the weirdness. Blame the BBS software.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the weirdness. Blame the BBS software.</p>
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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41591</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, this is difficult. I have tried five different ways to get this link through the BBS censor. Here&#8217;s a really indirect approach</p>
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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41589</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is definitely in the final paragraph, where I was using an HTML link. So here it is without the link:

Lastly, I&#039;d like to suggest that, in terms of authoritarianism, there is a big difference between the liberals and the conservatives. I highly recommend that you read The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer. You can find it at &lt;b&gt;this was the link&lt;/b&gt;. It&#039;s a great read, lots of fun, and shows just how dangerous authoritarians can be. And it&#039;s based on detailed psychology experiments, not the random personal ramblings of a hot air bag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is definitely in the final paragraph, where I was using an HTML link. So here it is without the link:</p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;d like to suggest that, in terms of authoritarianism, there is a big difference between the liberals and the conservatives. I highly recommend that you read The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer. You can find it at <b>this was the link</b>. It&#8217;s a great read, lots of fun, and shows just how dangerous authoritarians can be. And it&#8217;s based on detailed psychology experiments, not the random personal ramblings of a hot air bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41585</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are the next two paragraphs:

2. Liberals are tolerant of dissent, but just as hateful towards conservative politicians as conservatives are towards liberal politicians. Liberal blogs are full of nastiness towards Mr. Bush, conservative blogs are full of nastiness towards Ms. Clinton -- but the difference is that a liberal on a conservative blog is personally attacked and ends up banned, while a conservative on a liberal blog will not be personally attacked and seldom banned. Also, liberals love to use obscenities. The liberal blogs are best at providing lots of detailed background information on the issues.

3. Libertarians are highly ideological. If an asteroid were heading towards the earth, and the only way to stop it required the libertarian to surrender some of his liberties, he&#039;d shout &quot;Give me liberty or give me death!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the next two paragraphs:</p>
<p>2. Liberals are tolerant of dissent, but just as hateful towards conservative politicians as conservatives are towards liberal politicians. Liberal blogs are full of nastiness towards Mr. Bush, conservative blogs are full of nastiness towards Ms. Clinton &#8212; but the difference is that a liberal on a conservative blog is personally attacked and ends up banned, while a conservative on a liberal blog will not be personally attacked and seldom banned. Also, liberals love to use obscenities. The liberal blogs are best at providing lots of detailed background information on the issues.</p>
<p>3. Libertarians are highly ideological. If an asteroid were heading towards the earth, and the only way to stop it required the libertarian to surrender some of his liberties, he&#8217;d shout &#8220;Give me liberty or give me death!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41584</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, here are the first two paragraphs of my post:

RedState&#039;s policy amuses me. These people are so self-righteous they can shoot themselves in the foot and shout &#039;Ta-da!&#039; Permit me to draw grand generalizations (which therefore are riddled with exceptions) about the behavior of three groups on blogs:

1. Conservatives will not brook dissent. They are highly tribal; their favorite discussions are those in which all heads bob up and down in unison about how dastardly all liberals are. They compete only in the cleverness of their mudslinging at liberals. They&#039;re full of hate -- they&#039;d much rather vent spleen at a liberal than discuss liberal politics. Conservatives are woefully ignorant and less educated than the other groups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here are the first two paragraphs of my post:</p>
<p>RedState&#8217;s policy amuses me. These people are so self-righteous they can shoot themselves in the foot and shout &#8216;Ta-da!&#8217; Permit me to draw grand generalizations (which therefore are riddled with exceptions) about the behavior of three groups on blogs:</p>
<p>1. Conservatives will not brook dissent. They are highly tribal; their favorite discussions are those in which all heads bob up and down in unison about how dastardly all liberals are. They compete only in the cleverness of their mudslinging at liberals. They&#8217;re full of hate &#8212; they&#8217;d much rather vent spleen at a liberal than discuss liberal politics. Conservatives are woefully ignorant and less educated than the other groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Chepe Noyon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41583</link>
		<dc:creator>Chepe Noyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is very strange. I have tried several times to post a message here and the board accepts my input, but doesn&#039;t publish it. I have vetted it for words that might trigger a filter, but can&#039;t find anything objectionable. So I&#039;ll have to do some experiments. Please be patient with my approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very strange. I have tried several times to post a message here and the board accepts my input, but doesn&#8217;t publish it. I have vetted it for words that might trigger a filter, but can&#8217;t find anything objectionable. So I&#8217;ll have to do some experiments. Please be patient with my approach.</p>
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		<title>By: js290</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41573</link>
		<dc:creator>js290</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It depends on how the site defines spamming and how strict the enforcement will be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because most blog/message boards don&#039;t allow for moderation and meta-moderation as found on sites like Slashdot.  Readers moderate the posts and the moderators.  Banning people seem rather barbaric given the technology that&#039;s available.

http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It depends on how the site defines spamming and how strict the enforcement will be.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because most blog/message boards don&#8217;t allow for moderation and meta-moderation as found on sites like Slashdot.  Readers moderate the posts and the moderators.  Banning people seem rather barbaric given the technology that&#8217;s available.</p>
<p><a href="http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: rho</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41572</link>
		<dc:creator>rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RedState is where Fred! was blogging.

End of story.

&lt;i&gt;I have seen enough posts with 80 messages on this blog to know how annoying the “Run Ron Run” crowd can be.&lt;/i&gt;

Prior to his actual entry into the race, and our subsequent discovery of how snoringly dull he is, people were dropping little &quot;Go, Fred, go!&quot; nuggets too. Granted it was fewer people than did so for Ron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedState is where Fred! was blogging.</p>
<p>End of story.</p>
<p><i>I have seen enough posts with 80 messages on this blog to know how annoying the “Run Ron Run” crowd can be.</i></p>
<p>Prior to his actual entry into the race, and our subsequent discovery of how snoringly dull he is, people were dropping little &#8220;Go, Fred, go!&#8221; nuggets too. Granted it was fewer people than did so for Ron.</p>
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		<title>By: trumpetbob15</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41562</link>
		<dc:creator>trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to admit this might be one of the better things for the Paul campaign.  First, it eliminates one outlet for the spammers and helps prevent the annoyance of spammers turning into annoyance at Ron Paul.  (And yes, there are a lot of people who spam for Ron Paul and thinking they are all just excited for a first Presidential race is probably misguided.)  However, second, this is another &quot;highlight the differences&quot; moment.  By being banned, it gives the campaign something to talk about and brings the issue up on other blogs.

Could this backfire on Red State?  Maybe, but I doubt it.  I have seen enough posts with 80 messages on this blog to know how annoying the &quot;Run Ron Run&quot; crowd can be.  It depends on how the site defines spamming and how strict the enforcement will be.  Eliminating any comment with Ron Paul in it won&#039;t work, but at least they are trying to manage the site to allow for actual discussion to take place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit this might be one of the better things for the Paul campaign.  First, it eliminates one outlet for the spammers and helps prevent the annoyance of spammers turning into annoyance at Ron Paul.  (And yes, there are a lot of people who spam for Ron Paul and thinking they are all just excited for a first Presidential race is probably misguided.)  However, second, this is another &#8220;highlight the differences&#8221; moment.  By being banned, it gives the campaign something to talk about and brings the issue up on other blogs.</p>
<p>Could this backfire on Red State?  Maybe, but I doubt it.  I have seen enough posts with 80 messages on this blog to know how annoying the &#8220;Run Ron Run&#8221; crowd can be.  It depends on how the site defines spamming and how strict the enforcement will be.  Eliminating any comment with Ron Paul in it won&#8217;t work, but at least they are trying to manage the site to allow for actual discussion to take place.</p>
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		<title>By: js290</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41561</link>
		<dc:creator>js290</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most Republicans (and Democrats for that matter) seem to be authoritarian statists anyway.  This isn&#039;t that big of a surprise.

Ultimately, that&#039;s why Ron Paul won&#039;t win.  That&#039;s how the country went from an academic experiment in freedom and liberty to what we have today.  

Freedom and liberty seem to scare and confuse people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Republicans (and Democrats for that matter) seem to be authoritarian statists anyway.  This isn&#8217;t that big of a surprise.</p>
<p>Ultimately, that&#8217;s why Ron Paul won&#8217;t win.  That&#8217;s how the country went from an academic experiment in freedom and liberty to what we have today.  </p>
<p>Freedom and liberty seem to scare and confuse people.</p>
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		<title>By: GeneG</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41557</link>
		<dc:creator>GeneG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh no !  Ron Paul loses support of FreeRepublic-lite.  Call off the Revolution ! 

Note that Red State has a new &quot;Ron Paul&quot; headline each day now.  I guess Paul saved them from permanent irrelevance?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no !  Ron Paul loses support of FreeRepublic-lite.  Call off the Revolution ! </p>
<p>Note that Red State has a new &#8220;Ron Paul&#8221; headline each day now.  I guess Paul saved them from permanent irrelevance?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41555</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Jaime.  Red State is missing a chance to add new supporters to the regular GOP ranks.  This also shows a problem with the Paul campaign.  Many regular Republicans find Paul supporters to be annoying and don&#039;t see any reason to take them seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jaime.  Red State is missing a chance to add new supporters to the regular GOP ranks.  This also shows a problem with the Paul campaign.  Many regular Republicans find Paul supporters to be annoying and don&#8217;t see any reason to take them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41552</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have never commented on Red State and probably won&#039;t now, but I do see how they can believe the anti-war paul supporters don&#039;t really fit their modus operandi there.  The management tere is pretty much faithful to the neocons and wish to keep it that way.  when the Paul campaign is over, the only thing that will be realized is that there is a significant angry minority in the US, but by and large people are apathetic to whoever runs the country.  &quot;Go along to get along&quot; as it were.

It doesn&#039;t really matter, however, as the energy crisis will be approaching fast and furious and people will want the strongman to make it all better soon enough and there&#039;s not a goddamn thing we can do about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never commented on Red State and probably won&#8217;t now, but I do see how they can believe the anti-war paul supporters don&#8217;t really fit their modus operandi there.  The management tere is pretty much faithful to the neocons and wish to keep it that way.  when the Paul campaign is over, the only thing that will be realized is that there is a significant angry minority in the US, but by and large people are apathetic to whoever runs the country.  &#8220;Go along to get along&#8221; as it were.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter, however, as the energy crisis will be approaching fast and furious and people will want the strongman to make it all better soon enough and there&#8217;s not a goddamn thing we can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Butinas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41545</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri Butinas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Paul supporters are strictly principled, just like the man.  They will not vote GOP.  If you think they will, then you probably don&#039;t understand them.   The lesser of two evils is still evil. Paul supporters will probably not vote if he is not the nominee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul supporters are strictly principled, just like the man.  They will not vote GOP.  If you think they will, then you probably don&#8217;t understand them.   The lesser of two evils is still evil. Paul supporters will probably not vote if he is not the nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/24/red-state-bans-ron-paul-supporters/#comment-41544</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think RedState is missing a huge opportunity to bring more people to the Republican base.  With Ron Paul supporters, you have all these people excited about politics for the very first time in their lives.  Most of their comments deemed by RedState as &quot;idiotic&quot; or &quot;spammy&quot; are just stemming from (1) excitement + (2) lack of experience in politics.  Rather than ridicule these people, why not embrace the opportunity to educate and inform Ron Paul supporters in a respectful, non-demeaning way that builds community and welcomes more supporters to the GOP?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think RedState is missing a huge opportunity to bring more people to the Republican base.  With Ron Paul supporters, you have all these people excited about politics for the very first time in their lives.  Most of their comments deemed by RedState as &#8220;idiotic&#8221; or &#8220;spammy&#8221; are just stemming from (1) excitement + (2) lack of experience in politics.  Rather than ridicule these people, why not embrace the opportunity to educate and inform Ron Paul supporters in a respectful, non-demeaning way that builds community and welcomes more supporters to the GOP?</p>
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