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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul And Alex Jones: A Partial Clarification</title>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42559</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, 

I don&#039;t want to overdue it here, but I just wanted to compliment you again on being very patient with some real fools. 

I disagree with you frequently, but your commentary is always worthwhile.  

I&#039;d fully support a ban on Buckwheat. 

-Chad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to overdue it here, but I just wanted to compliment you again on being very patient with some real fools. </p>
<p>I disagree with you frequently, but your commentary is always worthwhile.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d fully support a ban on Buckwheat. </p>
<p>-Chad</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42521</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Houston wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Get this, and get this good: &lt;i&gt;Ron Paul doesn’t support the people who contribute to him, the people who contribute, support Dr. Paul.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree completely.  Whether proposed by Doug, or anyone else, I reject Guilt by Association reasoning.

Doug Mataconis wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Sometimes, you’re judged by the company you attract. 

It happens a lot in politics actually.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are a lot of ignorant ways to view events.  Should we validate them, or repudiate them?  I’m sure many voters will choose based on Paul’s hair cut, voice timbre, astrological sign, or tie color.  Rational people should reject irrational judgments, not encourage them.

Here’s an association that isn’t a fallacy: Agreeing with simpleton associations has the danger of making one look like a simpleton.

As I posted in another thread:

&lt;b&gt;Ron Paul’s 20 years of documented consistent rational governmental philosophy is far more important than identifying unpopular people who support him.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Houston wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Get this, and get this good: <i>Ron Paul doesn’t support the people who contribute to him, the people who contribute, support Dr. Paul.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I agree completely.  Whether proposed by Doug, or anyone else, I reject Guilt by Association reasoning.</p>
<p>Doug Mataconis wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Sometimes, you’re judged by the company you attract. </p>
<p>It happens a lot in politics actually.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There are a lot of ignorant ways to view events.  Should we validate them, or repudiate them?  I’m sure many voters will choose based on Paul’s hair cut, voice timbre, astrological sign, or tie color.  Rational people should reject irrational judgments, not encourage them.</p>
<p>Here’s an association that isn’t a fallacy: Agreeing with simpleton associations has the danger of making one look like a simpleton.</p>
<p>As I posted in another thread:</p>
<p><b>Ron Paul’s 20 years of documented consistent rational governmental philosophy is far more important than identifying unpopular people who support him.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42517</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So insert the name of whatever candidate you are supporting.  My point is independent of the specific candidate.

If one-way endorsements can taint a candidate, then there should be a booming business for low-lives of all varieties to &quot;endorse&quot; the candidate they least support so as to taint them.  If not for their own twisted purposes, then for fun and profit.  I can just see it now.  Rosie O&#039;Doughnut can put her Republican endorsement on Ebay for the highest bidder and donate the proceeds to code pink.

Feh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So insert the name of whatever candidate you are supporting.  My point is independent of the specific candidate.</p>
<p>If one-way endorsements can taint a candidate, then there should be a booming business for low-lives of all varieties to &#8220;endorse&#8221; the candidate they least support so as to taint them.  If not for their own twisted purposes, then for fun and profit.  I can just see it now.  Rosie O&#8217;Doughnut can put her Republican endorsement on Ebay for the highest bidder and donate the proceeds to code pink.</p>
<p>Feh</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42511</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Freddie is already tainted in my eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Freddie is already tainted in my eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42510</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

&quot;keeping company&quot; is not the same as someone else saying &quot;I like you&quot;.

&quot;Keeping company&quot; implies a reciprocal relationship.  What you and all the other Neocon rabble have been doing is taking various one-way relationships and trying to pass them off as two-way relationships.

So if I can get Charles Manson to endorse Fred Thompson, will that taint Freddie in your eyes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>&#8220;keeping company&#8221; is not the same as someone else saying &#8220;I like you&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Keeping company&#8221; implies a reciprocal relationship.  What you and all the other Neocon rabble have been doing is taking various one-way relationships and trying to pass them off as two-way relationships.</p>
<p>So if I can get Charles Manson to endorse Fred Thompson, will that taint Freddie in your eyes?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42509</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Sometimes, you&#039;re judged by the company you attract. 

It happens a lot in politics actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Sometimes, you&#8217;re judged by the company you attract. </p>
<p>It happens a lot in politics actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42508</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buckwheat,

Yawn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckwheat,</p>
<p>Yawn</p>
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		<title>By: Buckwheat</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42504</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckwheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ignorage-

Is that when one ignorantly rages against someone / something?&quot;

If you&#039;d Googled what I&#039;ve Googled, you&#039;d wonder, too.  

Lawyers.com helps as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ignorage-</p>
<p>Is that when one ignorantly rages against someone / something?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d Googled what I&#8217;ve Googled, you&#8217;d wonder, too.  </p>
<p>Lawyers.com helps as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42500</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Buckwheat,

Did you intend to coin a new word?

 -ignorage-

Is that when one ignorantly rages against someone / something?

Just curious.

I agree with your larger point: This whole sorry mess has exposed a lot of true colors.  Here, as well as at &lt;strike&gt;Stato&lt;/strike&gt; Cato.

Doug M.:
The whole reason we are assuming overt malice instead of honest mistake on your (et alia) part is that you have been doing the same thing with Dr. Paul.  This is Emmanuel Kant&#039;s justice applied to the blogoshpere.

The first thing you (et alia) assumed is that the Ron Paul campaign had hired Alex Jones or was somehow supporting him.  Despite continued reminders such as Douglas has given above, that guilt by association is fallacious reasoning - you continue to engage in it in regards to Don Black, Stormfront, and just now with Alex Jones. 

&lt;i&gt;it still raises the question of why the campaign is accepting contributions from a guy like Jones&lt;/i&gt;

Get this, and get this good: &lt;em&gt;Ron Paul doesn&#039;t support the people who contribute to him, the people who contribute, support Dr. Paul.&lt;/em&gt;

I fervently hope that every single Neo-nazi, Skinhead, KKK member and Holocaust denier donates the maximum amount to Dr. Paul&#039;s campaign, waves signs, and votes for him in the primary and the general election.

Better the support should go to Ron Paul, who is not a racist, than to John &quot;Toilet&quot; Bowles, (the Nazi party candidate for president) who is.

To paraphrase Jesus: It isn&#039;t what goes into a political campaign that&#039;s important, it&#039;s what comes out.

Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Buckwheat,</p>
<p>Did you intend to coin a new word?</p>
<p> -ignorage-</p>
<p>Is that when one ignorantly rages against someone / something?</p>
<p>Just curious.</p>
<p>I agree with your larger point: This whole sorry mess has exposed a lot of true colors.  Here, as well as at <strike>Stato</strike> Cato.</p>
<p>Doug M.:<br />
The whole reason we are assuming overt malice instead of honest mistake on your (et alia) part is that you have been doing the same thing with Dr. Paul.  This is Emmanuel Kant&#8217;s justice applied to the blogoshpere.</p>
<p>The first thing you (et alia) assumed is that the Ron Paul campaign had hired Alex Jones or was somehow supporting him.  Despite continued reminders such as Douglas has given above, that guilt by association is fallacious reasoning &#8211; you continue to engage in it in regards to Don Black, Stormfront, and just now with Alex Jones. </p>
<p><i>it still raises the question of why the campaign is accepting contributions from a guy like Jones</i></p>
<p>Get this, and get this good: <em>Ron Paul doesn&#8217;t support the people who contribute to him, the people who contribute, support Dr. Paul.</em></p>
<p>I fervently hope that every single Neo-nazi, Skinhead, KKK member and Holocaust denier donates the maximum amount to Dr. Paul&#8217;s campaign, waves signs, and votes for him in the primary and the general election.</p>
<p>Better the support should go to Ron Paul, who is not a racist, than to John &#8220;Toilet&#8221; Bowles, (the Nazi party candidate for president) who is.</p>
<p>To paraphrase Jesus: It isn&#8217;t what goes into a political campaign that&#8217;s important, it&#8217;s what comes out.</p>
<p>Later.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckwheat</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42499</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckwheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry --

Yup.  Go to opensecrets.org and see how many of Giuliani&#039;s donations are in $2,300 shots from the financial and legal sectors.

This is simply legalized corruption, pay for play, banana republic campaigning.  It&#039;s disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry &#8211;</p>
<p>Yup.  Go to opensecrets.org and see how many of Giuliani&#8217;s donations are in $2,300 shots from the financial and legal sectors.</p>
<p>This is simply legalized corruption, pay for play, banana republic campaigning.  It&#8217;s disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Kissinger</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42492</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Kissinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIGGER NEWS STORY: Goldman Sachs donating hundreds of thousands to several &quot;top tier&quot; candidate campaigns. Now, why would Sachs be so interested in purchasing a president?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIGGER NEWS STORY: Goldman Sachs donating hundreds of thousands to several &#8220;top tier&#8221; candidate campaigns. Now, why would Sachs be so interested in purchasing a president?</p>
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		<title>By: Buckwheat</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42479</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckwheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Mataconis praising Cato, National Review and the Club for Growth is like Charles Krauthammer praising Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Mataconis praising Cato, National Review and the Club for Growth is like Charles Krauthammer praising Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz.</p>
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		<title>By: GeneG</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/29/ron-paul-and-alex-jones-a-partial-clarification/#comment-42474</link>
		<dc:creator>GeneG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug &quot;Yea, posers like Cato, who’ve actually accomplished stuff right ? And I’ve met the people at Cato personally several times over the years, trust me….they are hard-core...&quot;

Hard core, yep and that&#039;s why Rupert Murdoch is the CATO advisory board?  Murdoch is supporting Sen. Clinton by the way...it&#039;s good for Fox News ratings and his bird cage liner sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8220;Yea, posers like Cato, who’ve actually accomplished stuff right ? And I’ve met the people at Cato personally several times over the years, trust me….they are hard-core&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard core, yep and that&#8217;s why Rupert Murdoch is the CATO advisory board?  Murdoch is supporting Sen. Clinton by the way&#8230;it&#8217;s good for Fox News ratings and his bird cage liner sales.</p>
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		<title>By: GeneG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt about Doug, your Ron Paul stories are simply used to increase daily web traffic. Another snoozer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt about Doug, your Ron Paul stories are simply used to increase daily web traffic. Another snoozer.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gosh, the levels people will stoop to to destroy the underdog. If he&#039;s so freakin crazy, don&#039;t ya think we can work that out for ourselves? You treat us like idiots, but we&#039;re done with your spoon fed BS!

It&#039;s crap like this from jerks like you that have made me decide to support Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gosh, the levels people will stoop to to destroy the underdog. If he&#8217;s so freakin crazy, don&#8217;t ya think we can work that out for ourselves? You treat us like idiots, but we&#8217;re done with your spoon fed BS!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s crap like this from jerks like you that have made me decide to support Ron Paul.</p>
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