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	<title>Comments on: The NRA vs. The Second Amendment ?</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-44467</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an apparent effort to maintain individuals&#039; 2nd Amendment rights, a new site opened last week (11-11-07) dedicated to helping people buy or sell   firearms from/to people IN THEIR OWN STATE.  As it turns out, it&#039;s legal in many states to buy/sell/trade firearms between INDIVIDUALS without having to register the transaction nor to report it to any government agency. There is no charge to post to or browse the site.

It can be found at http://www.internet-grocer.net/cgi/classif/classifieds.cgi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an apparent effort to maintain individuals&#8217; 2nd Amendment rights, a new site opened last week (11-11-07) dedicated to helping people buy or sell   firearms from/to people IN THEIR OWN STATE.  As it turns out, it&#8217;s legal in many states to buy/sell/trade firearms between INDIVIDUALS without having to register the transaction nor to report it to any government agency. There is no charge to post to or browse the site.</p>
<p>It can be found at <a href="http://www.internet-grocer.net/cgi/classif/classifieds.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://www.internet-grocer.net/cgi/classif/classifieds.cgi</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kean</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-44125</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, the reality of the situation is the NRA should have fought this many years ago. How many victims of criminal attacks are there in D.C. because they were denied the right to own a weapon to defend themselves?I say we use the legal peaceful means to settle this issue first. The second amendment is written in english and very clearly refers to&quot;the right of the people&quot;. How is that debateable?Should the court rule we do not have an individual right to bear arms then we should exercise our right to bear arms.That is the sole purpose of the amendment,to prevent tyranny and illegal actions of an oppressive goverment.To remain free ,citizens of any nation MUST maintain the means to defend themselves againest ruthless tyranny. How many millions of people have been murdered by &quot;goverments&quot;?Unchecked goverments have killed many more than all the criminals combined.When goverment fails to heed citizens at the ballot box we must maintain the option to resort to the cartridge box.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the reality of the situation is the NRA should have fought this many years ago. How many victims of criminal attacks are there in D.C. because they were denied the right to own a weapon to defend themselves?I say we use the legal peaceful means to settle this issue first. The second amendment is written in english and very clearly refers to&#8221;the right of the people&#8221;. How is that debateable?Should the court rule we do not have an individual right to bear arms then we should exercise our right to bear arms.That is the sole purpose of the amendment,to prevent tyranny and illegal actions of an oppressive goverment.To remain free ,citizens of any nation MUST maintain the means to defend themselves againest ruthless tyranny. How many millions of people have been murdered by &#8220;goverments&#8221;?Unchecked goverments have killed many more than all the criminals combined.When goverment fails to heed citizens at the ballot box we must maintain the option to resort to the cartridge box.</p>
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		<title>By: John Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-43715</link>
		<dc:creator>John Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to let my NRA membership lapse and give my money to someone who is not afraid to wage war on behalf of our civil rights, not negotiate with the liberal jackasses.  Alan Gottlieb looks more deserving of support than the NRA.

The NRA&#039;s relationship with the 2A is getting to be like the big tent Republicans and conservatism.

NRA concessions are hard to reverse.  It is better to leave gun control in place to rankle the general public than to give  up our rights.  We need blatant and offensive laws like the DC ban to   
target and blow out of the water to regain precedents to attack other less offensive laws.  NRA concessions like the mental health bill will be the last cleaned up.

After we regain our 2A rights the NRA can go back to its original function of marksmanship and safety.  We can kick out Planned Parenthood from our public schools and invite in the NRA to make shooting the number sport for young people.  The threat of being suspended from shooting class will make most boys toe the line in school.  The cops already there in school can teach shooting and make friends with the kids.  

The 2A outlines a natural right and a civic duty, and states that the militia is necessary.  The government schools have a constitutional obligation to school young people in their civic duties.  After school the range can be open to the public, like in Switzerland, with dirt cheap ammo.

If the NRA was working for goals like mine, I would stick with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to let my NRA membership lapse and give my money to someone who is not afraid to wage war on behalf of our civil rights, not negotiate with the liberal jackasses.  Alan Gottlieb looks more deserving of support than the NRA.</p>
<p>The NRA&#8217;s relationship with the 2A is getting to be like the big tent Republicans and conservatism.</p>
<p>NRA concessions are hard to reverse.  It is better to leave gun control in place to rankle the general public than to give  up our rights.  We need blatant and offensive laws like the DC ban to<br />
target and blow out of the water to regain precedents to attack other less offensive laws.  NRA concessions like the mental health bill will be the last cleaned up.</p>
<p>After we regain our 2A rights the NRA can go back to its original function of marksmanship and safety.  We can kick out Planned Parenthood from our public schools and invite in the NRA to make shooting the number sport for young people.  The threat of being suspended from shooting class will make most boys toe the line in school.  The cops already there in school can teach shooting and make friends with the kids.  </p>
<p>The 2A outlines a natural right and a civic duty, and states that the militia is necessary.  The government schools have a constitutional obligation to school young people in their civic duties.  After school the range can be open to the public, like in Switzerland, with dirt cheap ammo.</p>
<p>If the NRA was working for goals like mine, I would stick with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-43397</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting writeup - many people are still struggling with this - how the NRA could have opposed such a seemingly tight and important 2A case.  

But I cannot harshly criticize the NRA...neither for their opposition to this case early on, nor for their current fundraising efforts.  To be sure, no matter what sort of decision might be handed down by the Supreme Court, the NRAs importance and role will not cease to exist.  They will remain as important tomorrow as they were today, and yesterday.  Even a broad affirmation of the lower court decision will NOT stop efforts to regulate firearms and otherwise infringe on the right to keep and bear.  Those efforts will never cease.

If anyone doubts the NRAs support for this case, you owe it to yourselves (and the NRA) to read their amici from Parker, in the DC District Court.  It is in my opinion outstanding, and perhaps the best of the amici filed in support of Parker et al.

http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/documents/nra_amicus.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting writeup &#8211; many people are still struggling with this &#8211; how the NRA could have opposed such a seemingly tight and important 2A case.  </p>
<p>But I cannot harshly criticize the NRA&#8230;neither for their opposition to this case early on, nor for their current fundraising efforts.  To be sure, no matter what sort of decision might be handed down by the Supreme Court, the NRAs importance and role will not cease to exist.  They will remain as important tomorrow as they were today, and yesterday.  Even a broad affirmation of the lower court decision will NOT stop efforts to regulate firearms and otherwise infringe on the right to keep and bear.  Those efforts will never cease.</p>
<p>If anyone doubts the NRAs support for this case, you owe it to yourselves (and the NRA) to read their amici from Parker, in the DC District Court.  It is in my opinion outstanding, and perhaps the best of the amici filed in support of Parker et al.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/documents/nra_amicus.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/documents/nra_amicus.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Evangelista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Evangelista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have only one chance to start the process of restoring our Bill of Rights, and that&#039;s to get Dr. Ron Paul elected as our next president.

www.ronpaul2008.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have only one chance to start the process of restoring our Bill of Rights, and that&#8217;s to get Dr. Ron Paul elected as our next president.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul2008.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-43333</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, 

It appears to me that this is more a matter of strategy on the NRA&#039;s part. If the court rules against the 2nd Amendment, then everyone&#039;s gun rights are at risk.  

I tend to think its worth the gamble though given the current makeup of SCOTUS. If Hillary Clinton or any of these other jokers have a chance to appoint a Supreme Court Justice, all bets are off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>It appears to me that this is more a matter of strategy on the NRA&#8217;s part. If the court rules against the 2nd Amendment, then everyone&#8217;s gun rights are at risk.  </p>
<p>I tend to think its worth the gamble though given the current makeup of SCOTUS. If Hillary Clinton or any of these other jokers have a chance to appoint a Supreme Court Justice, all bets are off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Vanderberg</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/07/the-nra-vs-the-second-amendment-2/#comment-43326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Vanderberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is true that the National Rifle Association was not on board with the attorneys that filed the case against the DC gun ban. But while attending the gun rights policy conference in Cincinnati, Ohio last month. The attorneys who filed the case stated that full cooperation with the NRA, along with resources are being made available to the attorneys.

Part of the reason why the NRA was not wanting to go foreword with the legal route was they were in the process of having the House of Representatives ban. The DC gun law. It was a feeling of the NRA that that would be a more productive route. I think they were wrong, but I think they are happy to see some very good rulings in the DC District Court. I personally just hope that the Supreme Court rules in a very favorable manner. Otherwise we are taking the chance of destroying all the gains we have made in the last 10 years. The Supreme Court is unpredictable, remember there is a swing vote, and we have no idea which way it is going to swing.

God bless the lawyers who brought the case, and the National Rifle Association for seeing the light and for all the other gun groups out there and grassroots activists who are working hard every day to protect our God-given right to protect ourselves and our family and our country.

http://gunrights.us]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that the National Rifle Association was not on board with the attorneys that filed the case against the DC gun ban. But while attending the gun rights policy conference in Cincinnati, Ohio last month. The attorneys who filed the case stated that full cooperation with the NRA, along with resources are being made available to the attorneys.</p>
<p>Part of the reason why the NRA was not wanting to go foreword with the legal route was they were in the process of having the House of Representatives ban. The DC gun law. It was a feeling of the NRA that that would be a more productive route. I think they were wrong, but I think they are happy to see some very good rulings in the DC District Court. I personally just hope that the Supreme Court rules in a very favorable manner. Otherwise we are taking the chance of destroying all the gains we have made in the last 10 years. The Supreme Court is unpredictable, remember there is a swing vote, and we have no idea which way it is going to swing.</p>
<p>God bless the lawyers who brought the case, and the National Rifle Association for seeing the light and for all the other gun groups out there and grassroots activists who are working hard every day to protect our God-given right to protect ourselves and our family and our country.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunrights.us" rel="nofollow">http://gunrights.us</a></p>
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