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	<title>Comments on: Monday Open Thread: Well, Isn&#8217;t This Interesting</title>
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		<title>By: badunit</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43921</link>
		<dc:creator>badunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom is Very Popular. More popular than hate or fear. Ron Paul is the only one out there that will allow us to be free. Watch what the people do this election. It will be as clear as the Republicans getting washed away in 2006. The people that are putting up the signs all over the place are just the ones that have heard the message. I think he will win the republican nomination and then go on to beat the Neomorons...
the reason the polls don&#039;t reflect the people is because they are put out by liars, white or black lies, what&#039;s the difference. The peasants don&#039;t have thier hand in the cookie jar and only the people that do will oppose him. That ought to be most americans...freedom of religion...check,freedom of speech..check,privacy..check, freedom freedom freedom...we are not the country bumpkins we use to be where the carnival guys could come in and trick the uninformed I mean look at this blog we is communicatin...lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is Very Popular. More popular than hate or fear. Ron Paul is the only one out there that will allow us to be free. Watch what the people do this election. It will be as clear as the Republicans getting washed away in 2006. The people that are putting up the signs all over the place are just the ones that have heard the message. I think he will win the republican nomination and then go on to beat the Neomorons&#8230;<br />
the reason the polls don&#8217;t reflect the people is because they are put out by liars, white or black lies, what&#8217;s the difference. The peasants don&#8217;t have thier hand in the cookie jar and only the people that do will oppose him. That ought to be most americans&#8230;freedom of religion&#8230;check,freedom of speech..check,privacy..check, freedom freedom freedom&#8230;we are not the country bumpkins we use to be where the carnival guys could come in and trick the uninformed I mean look at this blog we is communicatin&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43917</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Partisan politics is a trap and a distraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partisan politics is a trap and a distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: TanGeng</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43915</link>
		<dc:creator>TanGeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JP,

I&#039;d say that many Republicans are corrupt.  Some might be outright evil.  But reserve my contempt for Democrats.  They can&#039;t stand up to Bush on their principles and defend civil liberties.  They can&#039;t hold the administration accountable even after being in the majority for 10 months.

Finally, I say that they&#039;re the tool of the special interests in the worst way possible.  They don&#039;t even know that they&#039;re being used.  When they pass minimum wage laws and all the rest of social welfare package, they&#039;re hurting the very people they profess to help.

The benefactors are the union bosses (not even the union workers), some client corporations, and some professional guilds(the AMA and trial lawyers, etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that many Republicans are corrupt.  Some might be outright evil.  But reserve my contempt for Democrats.  They can&#8217;t stand up to Bush on their principles and defend civil liberties.  They can&#8217;t hold the administration accountable even after being in the majority for 10 months.</p>
<p>Finally, I say that they&#8217;re the tool of the special interests in the worst way possible.  They don&#8217;t even know that they&#8217;re being used.  When they pass minimum wage laws and all the rest of social welfare package, they&#8217;re hurting the very people they profess to help.</p>
<p>The benefactors are the union bosses (not even the union workers), some client corporations, and some professional guilds(the AMA and trial lawyers, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43910</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that this is more about “Statism versus Liberty” than left or right.  Advocates of statism have the most to lose in a Ron Paul victory.  Statist rags on both sides have been quick to see the danger to them and have been on the attack from the outset.

We were once the “Land of the free and home of the brave.”  Lately we’ve been the “Land of the regulated and home of the terrified.”  In a time when “left” or “right” only defines &lt;i&gt;which&lt;/i&gt; set of rights and constitutional limits you’re willing to relinquish, the prospect of liberty can be pretty threatening for the groups that currently attempt to define our fears and fads for us.  Conversely, it can be pretty heady stuff for the newly-awakened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is more about “Statism versus Liberty” than left or right.  Advocates of statism have the most to lose in a Ron Paul victory.  Statist rags on both sides have been quick to see the danger to them and have been on the attack from the outset.</p>
<p>We were once the “Land of the free and home of the brave.”  Lately we’ve been the “Land of the regulated and home of the terrified.”  In a time when “left” or “right” only defines <i>which</i> set of rights and constitutional limits you’re willing to relinquish, the prospect of liberty can be pretty threatening for the groups that currently attempt to define our fears and fads for us.  Conversely, it can be pretty heady stuff for the newly-awakened.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Fisk</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43908</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For one, I think that there are blogs on both the left and right that do get their talking points from common sources.

However, Dr. Paul is doing something that nobody on either side has been able to do - credibly present a  set of counter-arguments to the status quo in a positive way. 

He&#039;s not attacking anyone. He&#039;s presenting ideas and educating those who come to find out what he&#039;s all about.

On the Democratic positions, he&#039;s outflanked them.  He&#039;s anti mercantilism and corporate welfare, but rather than giving lip-service to these things as if they were merely catchy slogans, he presents a solution. 

He doesn&#039;t offer protectionist government policies. He suggests that corporations should be left to compete and shouldn&#039;t be given handouts. And he has a real plan to save social security.

Finally, he treats democrats in this country as if they were intelligent humans. Whereas the conservatives for years have attacked &quot;libruls&quot; - kicking them while they were down - Ron Paul simply gives them an alternative. And he has befriended Dennis Kucinich and voted along side him on several occasions. This hasn&#039;t gone un-noticed.

Hillary, Obama and other leaders from the Democrat party, don&#039;t treat their constituents with as much respect as Ron Paul has treated them.

Fact is, they&#039;re not stupid. The blog activity from Kos and others is borne of frustration. Has anyone seen Hillary, Obama or Edwards draw the same sized crowds at their rallies? Have any republicans shown up at their rallies? 

No to both. Democrats, independents, Republicans and anarchists are flocking to Ron Paul from all over the world.

Some people in the media may ignore this and claim nothing is going on but it is quite obvious that the excitement being generated by this campaign is unprecedented. To those who believed they had the repudiation of conservative ideas locked down, Raun Paul&#039;s is a very disconcerting campaign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For one, I think that there are blogs on both the left and right that do get their talking points from common sources.</p>
<p>However, Dr. Paul is doing something that nobody on either side has been able to do &#8211; credibly present a  set of counter-arguments to the status quo in a positive way. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s not attacking anyone. He&#8217;s presenting ideas and educating those who come to find out what he&#8217;s all about.</p>
<p>On the Democratic positions, he&#8217;s outflanked them.  He&#8217;s anti mercantilism and corporate welfare, but rather than giving lip-service to these things as if they were merely catchy slogans, he presents a solution. </p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t offer protectionist government policies. He suggests that corporations should be left to compete and shouldn&#8217;t be given handouts. And he has a real plan to save social security.</p>
<p>Finally, he treats democrats in this country as if they were intelligent humans. Whereas the conservatives for years have attacked &#8220;libruls&#8221; &#8211; kicking them while they were down &#8211; Ron Paul simply gives them an alternative. And he has befriended Dennis Kucinich and voted along side him on several occasions. This hasn&#8217;t gone un-noticed.</p>
<p>Hillary, Obama and other leaders from the Democrat party, don&#8217;t treat their constituents with as much respect as Ron Paul has treated them.</p>
<p>Fact is, they&#8217;re not stupid. The blog activity from Kos and others is borne of frustration. Has anyone seen Hillary, Obama or Edwards draw the same sized crowds at their rallies? Have any republicans shown up at their rallies? </p>
<p>No to both. Democrats, independents, Republicans and anarchists are flocking to Ron Paul from all over the world.</p>
<p>Some people in the media may ignore this and claim nothing is going on but it is quite obvious that the excitement being generated by this campaign is unprecedented. To those who believed they had the repudiation of conservative ideas locked down, Raun Paul&#8217;s is a very disconcerting campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaligula</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43907</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaligula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glenn Greenwald absolutely &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/12/paul/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;p0wned Neiwert in this rebuttal&lt;/a&gt;. You usually wouldn&#039;t think of Greenwald to be the type to stick up for libertarians after that blistering piece, I would recommend Neiwart pick up his toys and go home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald absolutely <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/12/paul/index.html" rel="nofollow">p0wned Neiwert in this rebuttal</a>. You usually wouldn&#8217;t think of Greenwald to be the type to stick up for libertarians after that blistering piece, I would recommend Neiwart pick up his toys and go home.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43906</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the left are spineless, corrupt, or tools of special interests. &quot;

Tangeng, are you suggesting the mainstream conservatives are anything but those things? Oh, you&#039;d have to add &quot;perverts.&quot;

I do respect Paul&#039;s international relations stance, but I won&#039;t be voting for a Republican anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the left are spineless, corrupt, or tools of special interests. &#8221;</p>
<p>Tangeng, are you suggesting the mainstream conservatives are anything but those things? Oh, you&#8217;d have to add &#8220;perverts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do respect Paul&#8217;s international relations stance, but I won&#8217;t be voting for a Republican anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Willem de Wit</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43904</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem de Wit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q: Why are we starting to see posts like this?

A: Because Paul is picking up steam. He&#039;s crossed the 5% benchmark in the polls. Soon, he&#039;ll be in the double digits. At that point, unless someone like Kucinich gets similar numbers on the Democratic side, you may see a lot of anti-war voters who would not normally vote Republican put their financial and emotional support behind Congressman Paul. This cannot be allowed, so preventative measures are being actived.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Why are we starting to see posts like this?</p>
<p>A: Because Paul is picking up steam. He&#8217;s crossed the 5% benchmark in the polls. Soon, he&#8217;ll be in the double digits. At that point, unless someone like Kucinich gets similar numbers on the Democratic side, you may see a lot of anti-war voters who would not normally vote Republican put their financial and emotional support behind Congressman Paul. This cannot be allowed, so preventative measures are being actived.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43903</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a group of blogs on the left and a group of blogs on the right that seem to post the same smear pieces every few hours.  You name the lefties here and I think you know who the righties are.

Isn&#039;t it disturbing to see &quot;pro-choice&quot; lefties attack Ron Paul for that $500 Nazi donation while praising and demanding federal government Eugenics policies in the next paragraph?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a group of blogs on the left and a group of blogs on the right that seem to post the same smear pieces every few hours.  You name the lefties here and I think you know who the righties are.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it disturbing to see &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; lefties attack Ron Paul for that $500 Nazi donation while praising and demanding federal government Eugenics policies in the next paragraph?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43900</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Paul&#039;s aideas about freedom really does bring people together.  Democrats and republicans.  But ofcourse that means that the democrats will lose in the general election if he is nominated.  It&#039;s ironic that all the candidates always talk about how they will bring people together, but of course they never do but as soon as someone who comes along and actually does bring both parties together he/she is slandered and attacked by both sides!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s aideas about freedom really does bring people together.  Democrats and republicans.  But ofcourse that means that the democrats will lose in the general election if he is nominated.  It&#8217;s ironic that all the candidates always talk about how they will bring people together, but of course they never do but as soon as someone who comes along and actually does bring both parties together he/she is slandered and attacked by both sides!</p>
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		<title>By: Buckwheat</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/12/monday-open-thread-well-isnt-this-interesting/#comment-43899</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckwheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;he’s still barely registering in the polls&quot;

Actually, Doug, as you know, he&#039;s at 5% nationally in the latest CNN poll and 6% in the latest Rasmussen -- and those polls don&#039;t fully include the effect of his big Nov. 5 $4.3 million day.  

Update your language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he’s still barely registering in the polls&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Doug, as you know, he&#8217;s at 5% nationally in the latest CNN poll and 6% in the latest Rasmussen &#8212; and those polls don&#8217;t fully include the effect of his big Nov. 5 $4.3 million day.  </p>
<p>Update your language.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can think of two reasons.

1. Ron Paul makes the Democratic front runners look weak and ineffective in comparison, on opposing the war and protecting civil liberties.  Heck, if a Republican candidate can strongly denounce the war and domestic spying, why can&#039;t Hillary and Obama?

2. It&#039;s a war of ideas, not just an election.  Ron Paul is winning over young people, many of whom accepted the entire liberal orthodoxy before this year.  I&#039;ve heard from dozens of liberal Ron Paul supporters who have said he has changed their mind about Constitutionally limited government, for the better.  (My wife being one of them.)

Both are good reasons for Republicans who want to win to nominate Ron Paul, even if they don&#039;t agree with him on everything.  He could pry anti-war and pro-civil liberties voters away from Hillary or Obama, and he could advance the ideas of Constitutionally limited government better than any of the other candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of two reasons.</p>
<p>1. Ron Paul makes the Democratic front runners look weak and ineffective in comparison, on opposing the war and protecting civil liberties.  Heck, if a Republican candidate can strongly denounce the war and domestic spying, why can&#8217;t Hillary and Obama?</p>
<p>2. It&#8217;s a war of ideas, not just an election.  Ron Paul is winning over young people, many of whom accepted the entire liberal orthodoxy before this year.  I&#8217;ve heard from dozens of liberal Ron Paul supporters who have said he has changed their mind about Constitutionally limited government, for the better.  (My wife being one of them.)</p>
<p>Both are good reasons for Republicans who want to win to nominate Ron Paul, even if they don&#8217;t agree with him on everything.  He could pry anti-war and pro-civil liberties voters away from Hillary or Obama, and he could advance the ideas of Constitutionally limited government better than any of the other candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry,

You say Ron Paul&#039;s support isn&#039;t from &lt;i&gt;mainstream&lt;/i&gt; Republicans.  But what is mainstream?  Most recent?  Most similar to the sitting President?  Most like some standard-bearer (Reagan, Goldwater?) Most similar to the GOP platform?

A Republican is merely a voter who registers with their state election board and attends the local county meetings.  Nothing more, nothing less.

There isn&#039;t a blood test for Republican.  It&#039;s not an inherited title of nobility.  There are no &quot;real Republicans&quot; or &quot;fake Republicans&quot;.  Michael Moore, Rosie O&#039;Donnell and Ted Kennedy could find themselves Republicans at the stroke of a pen tommorrow if they got into some bad doughnuts.

The wrong question is often asked: &quot;Can Ron Paul get enough votes from Republicans to win the primary?&quot; as if the universe of Republican voters was somehow fixed in quantity and temperment.  The reality is that the number of people marking ballots in the Republican primary (or the general election for that matter) is in constant flux.

The right question (that is not being asked) is: will Frudy McRompson&#039;s (or Hillary&#039;s) supporters actually show up to vote?  (maybe, maybe not)  Will Ron Paul&#039;s supporters show up to vote?  (answer left as an exercise for the student.)

In a strange way, the Plain Old Telephone Surveys (POTS) will help Ron Paul.  Some percentage of Giuliani supporters will think &quot;Rudy is so far ahead, that it won&#039;t really matter if I don&#039;t vote&quot;.

A whole lot of people who were rabid &quot;W&quot; supporters in 2000 and 2004 are very disaffected right now.  They are demoralized, and generally disgusted with a party that has repeatedly stabbed them in the back on their core issues.  They might prefer Giuliani because they think he can beat Hillary, but they themselves won&#039;t go vote for a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-amnesty, anti-gun RINO.

The strange part of this election cycle is that many rabid Gore/Kerry supporters feel exactly the same way.  They might prefer Hillary, over some pro-Bush Republican, but will they really vote for pro-war, pro-big business, globalist LINO?

That is why Dr. Paul is getting anti-war Democrats to register Republican, and this is what has the Dems so panicked.

The problem is that both parties have been playing the &quot;demon&quot; card(1) for so long, that they have been taking their base for granted.  Since this is the only card they know how to play, it is no surprise that we have seen it being used against Dr. Paul.  First they (both Dems and Reps) tried to demonize him personally (he&#039;s a rascist... he&#039;s nutjob... he only has the support of losers camped out in their mom&#039;s basement, etc.) and since that hasn&#039;t worked, they are now trying to demonize his positions (he wants to outlaw abortion and abolish social security and your local elementary school too; he&#039;s a pacifist who will just let terroists waltz in here, and force you to convert to islam.)

It is in this environment that Ron Paul can easily bring people together under the &quot;peace and freedom&quot; banner.  The fact that he won&#039;t go negative is a huge plus when everyone has Google and youtube at their fingertips.  The other candidates are living in glass houses and daren&#039;t throw stones.

Later.

(1) Demon card - &quot;You &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to vote for our crappy candidate, even though he won&#039;t really support your pet issues, because the other guy is a total demon who hates your issue and will force his way of life on you at the point of a gun.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>You say Ron Paul&#8217;s support isn&#8217;t from <i>mainstream</i> Republicans.  But what is mainstream?  Most recent?  Most similar to the sitting President?  Most like some standard-bearer (Reagan, Goldwater?) Most similar to the GOP platform?</p>
<p>A Republican is merely a voter who registers with their state election board and attends the local county meetings.  Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a blood test for Republican.  It&#8217;s not an inherited title of nobility.  There are no &#8220;real Republicans&#8221; or &#8220;fake Republicans&#8221;.  Michael Moore, Rosie O&#8217;Donnell and Ted Kennedy could find themselves Republicans at the stroke of a pen tommorrow if they got into some bad doughnuts.</p>
<p>The wrong question is often asked: &#8220;Can Ron Paul get enough votes from Republicans to win the primary?&#8221; as if the universe of Republican voters was somehow fixed in quantity and temperment.  The reality is that the number of people marking ballots in the Republican primary (or the general election for that matter) is in constant flux.</p>
<p>The right question (that is not being asked) is: will Frudy McRompson&#8217;s (or Hillary&#8217;s) supporters actually show up to vote?  (maybe, maybe not)  Will Ron Paul&#8217;s supporters show up to vote?  (answer left as an exercise for the student.)</p>
<p>In a strange way, the Plain Old Telephone Surveys (POTS) will help Ron Paul.  Some percentage of Giuliani supporters will think &#8220;Rudy is so far ahead, that it won&#8217;t really matter if I don&#8217;t vote&#8221;.</p>
<p>A whole lot of people who were rabid &#8220;W&#8221; supporters in 2000 and 2004 are very disaffected right now.  They are demoralized, and generally disgusted with a party that has repeatedly stabbed them in the back on their core issues.  They might prefer Giuliani because they think he can beat Hillary, but they themselves won&#8217;t go vote for a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-amnesty, anti-gun RINO.</p>
<p>The strange part of this election cycle is that many rabid Gore/Kerry supporters feel exactly the same way.  They might prefer Hillary, over some pro-Bush Republican, but will they really vote for pro-war, pro-big business, globalist LINO?</p>
<p>That is why Dr. Paul is getting anti-war Democrats to register Republican, and this is what has the Dems so panicked.</p>
<p>The problem is that both parties have been playing the &#8220;demon&#8221; card(1) for so long, that they have been taking their base for granted.  Since this is the only card they know how to play, it is no surprise that we have seen it being used against Dr. Paul.  First they (both Dems and Reps) tried to demonize him personally (he&#8217;s a rascist&#8230; he&#8217;s nutjob&#8230; he only has the support of losers camped out in their mom&#8217;s basement, etc.) and since that hasn&#8217;t worked, they are now trying to demonize his positions (he wants to outlaw abortion and abolish social security and your local elementary school too; he&#8217;s a pacifist who will just let terroists waltz in here, and force you to convert to islam.)</p>
<p>It is in this environment that Ron Paul can easily bring people together under the &#8220;peace and freedom&#8221; banner.  The fact that he won&#8217;t go negative is a huge plus when everyone has Google and youtube at their fingertips.  The other candidates are living in glass houses and daren&#8217;t throw stones.</p>
<p>Later.</p>
<p>(1) Demon card &#8211; &#8220;You <em>have</em> to vote for our crappy candidate, even though he won&#8217;t really support your pet issues, because the other guy is a total demon who hates your issue and will force his way of life on you at the point of a gun.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doh-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doh-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two main reasons why the Lefties are suddenly against Dr. Paul:

One is that he truly believes in smaller, less expensive, and less intrusive government.  This is anathema to the Left.

The other is that it is neve enough to simply side with the Left on an issue, one must also agree unquestioningly and unwaveringly with their reasons for holding a position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two main reasons why the Lefties are suddenly against Dr. Paul:</p>
<p>One is that he truly believes in smaller, less expensive, and less intrusive government.  This is anathema to the Left.</p>
<p>The other is that it is neve enough to simply side with the Left on an issue, one must also agree unquestioningly and unwaveringly with their reasons for holding a position.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian T. Traylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian T. Traylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This piece&lt;/a&gt; has been up ever since the night of Ron Paul&#039;s battle royale with Rudy at the SC presidential debate.

It&#039;s nothing new, really. He represents opposition to statism, which is why the left and the right generally hate him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740" rel="nofollow">This piece</a> has been up ever since the night of Ron Paul&#8217;s battle royale with Rudy at the SC presidential debate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nothing new, really. He represents opposition to statism, which is why the left and the right generally hate him.</p>
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