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	<title>Comments on: The Kind Of Help Ron Paul Doesn&#8217;t Need, Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Laughing God</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/03/the-kind-of-help-ron-paul-doesnt-need-part-ii/#comment-46998</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Your opinion is interesting. Since shouting down the candidate is not the best way to suppress his message and advertise that there are average American citizens, passionate enough about a candidate to meet and rally for him. Then, what should they have done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Your opinion is interesting. Since shouting down the candidate is not the best way to suppress his message and advertise that there are average American citizens, passionate enough about a candidate to meet and rally for him. Then, what should they have done?</p>
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		<title>By: rhys</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, in the year the Jefferson won his presidential bid he hired a man who claimed that Jefferson&#039;s opponent was a hermaphrodite! Then when Jefferson distanced himself from the literary hit-man, the literary hit-man claimed that Jefferson was sleeping with his own slave!

I don&#039;t know if any of what I just wrote is true, but I heard it from a guest on William Benette&#039;s show this morning.

My point is that Giuliani should have embraced Paul supporters. There was bound to be one weak link there, ready to turn on Paul if givin the chance to shake Giuliani&#039;s hand. *Then, all over the news, &quot;Paul supporters find Giuliani palatable.&quot;* 

Giuliani is afraid. Now he will think twice before showing his face in public again. You commentators don&#039;t understand that these people running are human. Who wants to be shamed in public? They do it because of the eventual reward, but if the shaming is consistent and unrelenting, unless they represent the truth, they disappear. 

Show us you are as strong in your convictions as Paul, and you will earn your space. Until then you deserve to be drowned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, in the year the Jefferson won his presidential bid he hired a man who claimed that Jefferson&#8217;s opponent was a hermaphrodite! Then when Jefferson distanced himself from the literary hit-man, the literary hit-man claimed that Jefferson was sleeping with his own slave!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of what I just wrote is true, but I heard it from a guest on William Benette&#8217;s show this morning.</p>
<p>My point is that Giuliani should have embraced Paul supporters. There was bound to be one weak link there, ready to turn on Paul if givin the chance to shake Giuliani&#8217;s hand. *Then, all over the news, &#8220;Paul supporters find Giuliani palatable.&#8221;* </p>
<p>Giuliani is afraid. Now he will think twice before showing his face in public again. You commentators don&#8217;t understand that these people running are human. Who wants to be shamed in public? They do it because of the eventual reward, but if the shaming is consistent and unrelenting, unless they represent the truth, they disappear. </p>
<p>Show us you are as strong in your convictions as Paul, and you will earn your space. Until then you deserve to be drowned out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Kolsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry Kolsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michigan, Marrietta, no harm done. Ron Paul supporters have every right to be boisterous in  the presence of other candidates whose positions they oppose.  I do not think it is extreme nor should they back off. So called polite society has gotten us in this mess. All of us who remained silent when they took our Constitution, our liberty, our property, our leaders, our lives and lied with disinformation called &quot;news&quot; on the main stream media, we should have made some noise. The Founders of this Nation spoke at the risk of their lives.  We have been silent far to long. Apathy has enslaved us. The new Revolution is on, get used to it Rudy and pals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan, Marrietta, no harm done. Ron Paul supporters have every right to be boisterous in  the presence of other candidates whose positions they oppose.  I do not think it is extreme nor should they back off. So called polite society has gotten us in this mess. All of us who remained silent when they took our Constitution, our liberty, our property, our leaders, our lives and lied with disinformation called &#8220;news&#8221; on the main stream media, we should have made some noise. The Founders of this Nation spoke at the risk of their lives.  We have been silent far to long. Apathy has enslaved us. The new Revolution is on, get used to it Rudy and pals!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that convincing someone who &quot;came to hear Rudy..&quot; is really ever going to happen anyway so go ahead and annoy the crap out of them.

The reactions we are seeing are the result of an unfair process. It not about Ron Paul, its more about frustration. 

Many feel they are being &quot;told&quot; who to vote for before they ever have a chance to form any kind of opinion of their own. 

People are sick of the pundits telling them what to think and sick of having to chose between two evils. They are sick of the party elite deciding for them who the rightful heir to the throne will be.

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Get used to it Rudy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that convincing someone who &#8220;came to hear Rudy..&#8221; is really ever going to happen anyway so go ahead and annoy the crap out of them.</p>
<p>The reactions we are seeing are the result of an unfair process. It not about Ron Paul, its more about frustration. </p>
<p>Many feel they are being &#8220;told&#8221; who to vote for before they ever have a chance to form any kind of opinion of their own. </p>
<p>People are sick of the pundits telling them what to think and sick of having to chose between two evils. They are sick of the party elite deciding for them who the rightful heir to the throne will be.</p>
<p>Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.</p>
<p>Get used to it Rudy.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;understatement&quot;?
how do you know? were you present?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;understatement&#8221;?<br />
how do you know? were you present?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McClarin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/03/the-kind-of-help-ron-paul-doesnt-need-part-ii/#comment-46761</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McClarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the Ron Paul campaign is hurt by supporters who engage in rude behavior, especially when there are media reports of it that reach thousands, even millions, of news consumers. However wrongly, most of America saw Rudy as an heroic figure in the weeks following 9/11 and many are incensed when he is heckled or hounded by supporters of another candidate they may know nothing about.

First impressions are very important in politics, especially as we head into the primary contests. If all a voter knows of Ron Paul prior to voting is that his supporters were rude to &quot;the nation&#039;s mayor,&quot; even if they are inclined toward liberty, they will be very reluctant to vote for him.

Ron Paul is spending millions right now on repetitive advertising impressions expressly designed to give voters warm feelings toward him.  He especially needs to do this because many voters had never even heard of him before. If too-zealous supporters do stupid things that tick lots of voters off, it will undo all the hard work.

Lyndon LaRouche&#039;s democratic supporters were frequently nasty-tempered zealots who turned off voters right and left.  I fear some of the same sorts of people have glommed onto the Paul campaign.

Take a clue from how Dr. Paul conducts himself. He does not bully or interrupt.  He responds to emotional accusations with logic and reason but also with humility and grace. Dr. Paul is well-liked by most all who know him and that should be proof that his way works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Ron Paul campaign is hurt by supporters who engage in rude behavior, especially when there are media reports of it that reach thousands, even millions, of news consumers. However wrongly, most of America saw Rudy as an heroic figure in the weeks following 9/11 and many are incensed when he is heckled or hounded by supporters of another candidate they may know nothing about.</p>
<p>First impressions are very important in politics, especially as we head into the primary contests. If all a voter knows of Ron Paul prior to voting is that his supporters were rude to &#8220;the nation&#8217;s mayor,&#8221; even if they are inclined toward liberty, they will be very reluctant to vote for him.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is spending millions right now on repetitive advertising impressions expressly designed to give voters warm feelings toward him.  He especially needs to do this because many voters had never even heard of him before. If too-zealous supporters do stupid things that tick lots of voters off, it will undo all the hard work.</p>
<p>Lyndon LaRouche&#8217;s democratic supporters were frequently nasty-tempered zealots who turned off voters right and left.  I fear some of the same sorts of people have glommed onto the Paul campaign.</p>
<p>Take a clue from how Dr. Paul conducts himself. He does not bully or interrupt.  He responds to emotional accusations with logic and reason but also with humility and grace. Dr. Paul is well-liked by most all who know him and that should be proof that his way works.</p>
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		<title>By: smileyjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>smileyjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During an earlier debate, Ron Paul said that blowback was a main reason for 9/11. Rudy interrupted him and tried to make it look like Ron Paul was blaming Americans for being attacked.

Now Ron Paul supporters are giving Rudy a little blowback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During an earlier debate, Ron Paul said that blowback was a main reason for 9/11. Rudy interrupted him and tried to make it look like Ron Paul was blaming Americans for being attacked.</p>
<p>Now Ron Paul supporters are giving Rudy a little blowback.</p>
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		<title>By: RaferJanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaferJanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh hey Brian, your sorry little man, first of all it&#039;s ok to shout down the other team in any sporting events right? So with that being said, I support Ron Paul 100% and then some, and if poor little Duce got his inner child spanked, well sorry bout that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh hey Brian, your sorry little man, first of all it&#8217;s ok to shout down the other team in any sporting events right? So with that being said, I support Ron Paul 100% and then some, and if poor little Duce got his inner child spanked, well sorry bout that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixon Cannon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/03/the-kind-of-help-ron-paul-doesnt-need-part-ii/#comment-46753</link>
		<dc:creator>Dixon Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the wonders of the Ron Paul phenomenon is that it attracts all kinds of people, from all walks of life, all sharing the Freedom philosophy.  As individuals, each may have  different parameters regarding Liberty and Freedom; boundaries, as it were.  Such is the rough and tumble of a free society.  The free society that we all seem to long for.

In these modern times, no one is getting tarred and feathered - no one is getting run out of town on a rail.  There are just well intentioned individuals passionately participating in the political process as best they can with the tools that they&#039;ve got.

Speaking strictly for myself (I was not present in Georgia), I&#039;ve grown tired of the mendacity, the hubris and the outright misrepresentations by Demopublican politicians.  Frankly, they deserve a little heckling and raucaus disent.  For the first time (ever) we have candidate that represents our Constitution, our Republic and who respects our intelligence by being honest and forthright with us.  I&#039;d say it&#039;s time for a little passionate support and promotion - square in the face of the opposition!

You may not do it.  I may not do it.  But I certainly respect the right of the individuals that feel that they want to do it!  Ron Paul, the Constitution, and this Republic should be hailed from the highest mountaintop - and if that&#039;s in earshot of Rudy Guliani - so be it!  -dixon cannon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the wonders of the Ron Paul phenomenon is that it attracts all kinds of people, from all walks of life, all sharing the Freedom philosophy.  As individuals, each may have  different parameters regarding Liberty and Freedom; boundaries, as it were.  Such is the rough and tumble of a free society.  The free society that we all seem to long for.</p>
<p>In these modern times, no one is getting tarred and feathered &#8211; no one is getting run out of town on a rail.  There are just well intentioned individuals passionately participating in the political process as best they can with the tools that they&#8217;ve got.</p>
<p>Speaking strictly for myself (I was not present in Georgia), I&#8217;ve grown tired of the mendacity, the hubris and the outright misrepresentations by Demopublican politicians.  Frankly, they deserve a little heckling and raucaus disent.  For the first time (ever) we have candidate that represents our Constitution, our Republic and who respects our intelligence by being honest and forthright with us.  I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s time for a little passionate support and promotion &#8211; square in the face of the opposition!</p>
<p>You may not do it.  I may not do it.  But I certainly respect the right of the individuals that feel that they want to do it!  Ron Paul, the Constitution, and this Republic should be hailed from the highest mountaintop &#8211; and if that&#8217;s in earshot of Rudy Guliani &#8211; so be it!  -dixon cannon</p>
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		<title>By: RaferJanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaferJanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McSame can use the word &quot;Nazi&quot;, in an attack on Dr. Paul and Rudy Rudy we know where you were, The Question to you is, If you can&#039;t keep a promise to your wife, how can we be expected to believe anything you say? Just say no to El Douchay,  Ron is the only hope to bring this country back on track. Thanks All Ron Paul 08</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McSame can use the word &#8220;Nazi&#8221;, in an attack on Dr. Paul and Rudy Rudy we know where you were, The Question to you is, If you can&#8217;t keep a promise to your wife, how can we be expected to believe anything you say? Just say no to El Douchay,  Ron is the only hope to bring this country back on track. Thanks All Ron Paul 08</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incident in Atlanta sounds worse than the one in Michigan.

If Rudy had been any kind of politician, he would have tried some politicking with the guys on the boat.  Rudy was just taking the ferry, so ribbing him wasn&#039;t really out of line.

Showing up with signs when a supposedly more popular candidate visits your city and outnumbering his supporters is okay, but being rude and shouting over him when he tries to speak isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incident in Atlanta sounds worse than the one in Michigan.</p>
<p>If Rudy had been any kind of politician, he would have tried some politicking with the guys on the boat.  Rudy was just taking the ferry, so ribbing him wasn&#8217;t really out of line.</p>
<p>Showing up with signs when a supposedly more popular candidate visits your city and outnumbering his supporters is okay, but being rude and shouting over him when he tries to speak isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Paul Supporter. I have passed out Literature and given $$ to the Paul campaign.  It irritates me when I see things like this, you  are only pushing people away.  If you want to show up, do so and engage in conversations with people, pass out literature and try act like an adult.  With the rising media coverage of Ron Paul, these tactics will only portray the Paul campaign in a bad light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Paul Supporter. I have passed out Literature and given $$ to the Paul campaign.  It irritates me when I see things like this, you  are only pushing people away.  If you want to show up, do so and engage in conversations with people, pass out literature and try act like an adult.  With the rising media coverage of Ron Paul, these tactics will only portray the Paul campaign in a bad light.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bowen,

If they weren&#039;t there to persuade, then they were there to shout down. It&#039;s rude, it&#039;s stupid and it&#039;s immature.

They have every right to do it, it just doesn&#039;t reflect well on them or their candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowen,</p>
<p>If they weren&#8217;t there to persuade, then they were there to shout down. It&#8217;s rude, it&#8217;s stupid and it&#8217;s immature.</p>
<p>They have every right to do it, it just doesn&#8217;t reflect well on them or their candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: C Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone really believe there is some person out there attending a Guiliani rally who might come over and support Paul?

I doubt Doug really believes something so ridiculous, but he pretends to for reasons yet to be revealed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone really believe there is some person out there attending a Guiliani rally who might come over and support Paul?</p>
<p>I doubt Doug really believes something so ridiculous, but he pretends to for reasons yet to be revealed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TerryP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are to believe the MSM and even some people on this site, then there is no way that these people could have been Ron Paul supporters.  I mean he doesn&#039;t even hardly show up in the polls.  How in the world could he have enough supporters that could drown out the supporters of the &quot;frontrunner&quot; in the race.  How could he have enough supporters to cause the party to cancel a straw poll. (sarcasm off) 

Maybe, just maybe we shouldn&#039;t believe the polls and the MSM.  And maybe, just maybe Ron Paul does have the kind of actual support that could cause Parties to cancel straw polls and drown out the &quot;frontrunners&quot; supporters.  Maybe, just maybe Ron Paul has the kind of actual support that he could win the nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are to believe the MSM and even some people on this site, then there is no way that these people could have been Ron Paul supporters.  I mean he doesn&#8217;t even hardly show up in the polls.  How in the world could he have enough supporters that could drown out the supporters of the &#8220;frontrunner&#8221; in the race.  How could he have enough supporters to cause the party to cancel a straw poll. (sarcasm off) </p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe we shouldn&#8217;t believe the polls and the MSM.  And maybe, just maybe Ron Paul does have the kind of actual support that could cause Parties to cancel straw polls and drown out the &#8220;frontrunners&#8221; supporters.  Maybe, just maybe Ron Paul has the kind of actual support that he could win the nomination.</p>
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