Comments on: The Neocons And The NIE http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46742 Doug Mataconis Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:18:53 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46742 Like I said, it doesn't matter to me what you think or what label you use to describe what you think I believe in. You're wrong, I know that and that's all that matters. Like I said, it doesn’t matter to me what you think or what label you use to describe what you think I believe in.

You’re wrong, I know that and that’s all that matters.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46740 oilnwater Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:18:39 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46740 actually maybe it's just a libertarian problem. i only learned about these people this year, and it amazes me how unprincipled they are, or at least how starkly unprincipled and intellectually dishonest that some of their loudest mouthpieces are. actually maybe it’s just a libertarian problem. i only learned about these people this year, and it amazes me how unprincipled they are, or at least how starkly unprincipled and intellectually dishonest that some of their loudest mouthpieces are.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46739 oilnwater Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:16:37 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46739 donning the cloak device again? there was so much else when i browsed the history that made me ill. and it's pretty funny how when i placed a *definite label* on you, that's when you and your little butty starting crying. that's exactly your problem. donning the cloak device again? there was so much else when i browsed the history that made me ill. and it’s pretty funny how when i placed a *definite label* on you, that’s when you and your little butty starting crying. that’s exactly your problem.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46737 Doug Mataconis Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:05:14 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46737 Not that I care what you think, but did you bother to read this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/22/iran-rhetoric-and-reality/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/07/30/iraqi-parliament-adjourns-american-soldiers-continue-to-die/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/06/04/the-iraq-war-surge-another-plan-that-didnt-come-together/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/16/rudy-giuliani-distorts-ron-pauls-comments-on-iraq/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/18/the-iraq-war-four-years-later/ or this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/19/the-real-connection-between-iraq-and-al-qaeda/ or, finally, this: http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/12/06/the-iraq-study-group-is-right-its-time-for-us-to-go/ Just wondering. Not that I care what you think, but did you bother to read this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/22/iran-rhetoric-and-reality/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/08/23/the-iraq-war-coalition-continues-to-crumble/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/07/30/iraqi-parliament-adjourns-american-soldiers-continue-to-die/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/06/04/the-iraq-war-surge-another-plan-that-didnt-come-together/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/16/rudy-giuliani-distorts-ron-pauls-comments-on-iraq/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03/18/the-iraq-war-four-years-later/

or this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/19/the-real-connection-between-iraq-and-al-qaeda/

or, finally, this:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2006/12/06/the-iraq-study-group-is-right-its-time-for-us-to-go/

Just wondering.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46736 oilnwater Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:59:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46736 mataconis changes his outlook so often it's like the predator's camoflage device. except it's toward the end of the movie and his device is damaged so you get to see the alien underneath. mataconis changes his outlook so often it’s like the predator’s camoflage device. except it’s toward the end of the movie and his device is damaged so you get to see the alien underneath.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46735 oilnwater Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:58:01 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46735 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/13/ron-paul-and-islamofacsism/ if you aren't frightened by islamofacism, then you are anti-libertarian. thanx dave nalle clone. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/13/ron-paul-and-islamofacsism/

if you aren’t frightened by islamofacism, then you are anti-libertarian. thanx dave nalle clone.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46728 UCrawford Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:04:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46728 And this has to do with the above article in what way? You're missing the point, sport...you got disrespected because you decided to attack the author of the piece with an attack irrelevant to either the article written or the course of the discussion that followed using troll tactics. If you're bothered the hostile response you got, then don't do that. Otherwise you pretty much make yourself fair game for whatever anyone decides to throw at you. And this has to do with the above article in what way?

You’re missing the point, sport…you got disrespected because you decided to attack the author of the piece with an attack irrelevant to either the article written or the course of the discussion that followed using troll tactics. If you’re bothered the hostile response you got, then don’t do that. Otherwise you pretty much make yourself fair game for whatever anyone decides to throw at you.

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46727 Brad Warbiany Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:00:00 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46727 oilnwater, There are a few ways... First, if you go to the end of Doug's post, there's a link for "Read more posts from Doug Mataconis". It may take time to sift through some of his other topics to the Iraq/Iran stuff, but you'll find it. It's in reverse chronological order, like most blogs. Second, on the left sidebar is a Google search bar. If you put in "Doug Mataconis Iraq" or "Doug Mataconis Iran" you'll probably be taken to a list of any post he's written (or commented on, possibly) on this site that refers to those topics. Third, if you simply go to the "Categories" section of the left sidebar and click on "War On Terror", that will take you to all the posts by any of us that we flagged with that category designation. Look for anything written by Doug. oilnwater,

There are a few ways…

First, if you go to the end of Doug’s post, there’s a link for “Read more posts from Doug Mataconis”. It may take time to sift through some of his other topics to the Iraq/Iran stuff, but you’ll find it. It’s in reverse chronological order, like most blogs.

Second, on the left sidebar is a Google search bar. If you put in “Doug Mataconis Iraq” or “Doug Mataconis Iran” you’ll probably be taken to a list of any post he’s written (or commented on, possibly) on this site that refers to those topics.

Third, if you simply go to the “Categories” section of the left sidebar and click on “War On Terror”, that will take you to all the posts by any of us that we flagged with that category designation. Look for anything written by Doug.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46720 oilnwater Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:25:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46720 that's it. how do you browse a history of someone's libertypaper.com blurbs? we can settle this baby right now. that’s it. how do you browse a history of someone’s libertypaper.com blurbs? we can settle this baby right now.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46653 UCrawford Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:54:08 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46653 uhm, Yes, they did to begin with because it was deemed vital infrastructure. Now the Iraqis handle oil security, U.S. forces are not responsible for guarding it. I believe that the Iraqis have a separate ministry to handle all security matters with oil, which is entirely under their control. If that's changed in the year since I've been out of the service I'm unaware of it. oilnwater, The central tenet of neoconservatism is its belief in the ability of government to solve societal problems by championing allegedly conservative causes (causes which that government intervention then subverts). Their foreign policy is merely an extension of that. As for my problem with you, I'm just not kindly disposed to anybody who comes in with inaccurate labels to slam a post author and detract from the conversation at hand (which we were enjoying before you arrived). Doug's foreign policy has its flaws, and I've got my disagreements with him about his tack towards Ron Paul, but his positions on pretty much every other issue demonstrate a pretty strong libertarian belief system. If you want to go make unsubstantiated accusations about Doug being a neoconservative then either find a conversation where we're discussing Doug's political affiliations or take it to another blog, but don't go interrupting us by changing the subject with personal attacks. As for my "casual disrespect" for you, stick to the topic we're discussing and you won't have to worry about it. If you can't do that, then I could really care less about what you find disrespectful. uhm,

Yes, they did to begin with because it was deemed vital infrastructure. Now the Iraqis handle oil security, U.S. forces are not responsible for guarding it. I believe that the Iraqis have a separate ministry to handle all security matters with oil, which is entirely under their control. If that’s changed in the year since I’ve been out of the service I’m unaware of it.

oilnwater,

The central tenet of neoconservatism is its belief in the ability of government to solve societal problems by championing allegedly conservative causes (causes which that government intervention then subverts). Their foreign policy is merely an extension of that.

As for my problem with you, I’m just not kindly disposed to anybody who comes in with inaccurate labels to slam a post author and detract from the conversation at hand (which we were enjoying before you arrived). Doug’s foreign policy has its flaws, and I’ve got my disagreements with him about his tack towards Ron Paul, but his positions on pretty much every other issue demonstrate a pretty strong libertarian belief system. If you want to go make unsubstantiated accusations about Doug being a neoconservative then either find a conversation where we’re discussing Doug’s political affiliations or take it to another blog, but don’t go interrupting us by changing the subject with personal attacks. As for my “casual disrespect” for you, stick to the topic we’re discussing and you won’t have to worry about it. If you can’t do that, then I could really care less about what you find disrespectful.

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46648 Brad Warbiany Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:55:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46648 oilnwater, Have you read anything Doug has written about Iraq or Iran? Have you read the criticisms he's written of Giuliani's foreign policy or of Norman Podhoretz in general? Just because he's not a huge advocate of Ron Paul doesn't make him a neocon? oilnwater,

Have you read anything Doug has written about Iraq or Iran? Have you read the criticisms he’s written of Giuliani’s foreign policy or of Norman Podhoretz in general? Just because he’s not a huge advocate of Ron Paul doesn’t make him a neocon?

]]> By: uhm http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46647 uhm Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:19:09 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46647 UCrawford, do the higher ups talk about guarding the oil? UCrawford, do the higher ups talk about guarding the oil?

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46644 Doug Mataconis Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:35:57 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46644 oilnwater, You completely misrepresent what I've said about Iraq. I opposed the war in the beginning, I oppose it now, and I think it's time to leave. oilnwater,

You completely misrepresent what I’ve said about Iraq. I opposed the war in the beginning, I oppose it now, and I think it’s time to leave.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46642 oilnwater Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:55:20 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46642 i concede nothing. i do label him a neoconservative because: * the central tenent of neoconservatism is its approach to foreign policy.* mataconis has indeed already intimated his stance on Iraq in the past during his blurbs. he has also intimated his intense fear of "islamo-facism." this of course is simply the modern buzzword that personifies any statement with that of neoconservative bent. so he's supposedly changed his mind on this with a report? sorry but give little to no credence either to the sincerity of this, or if sincere, to the character of someone who changes convictions at a whim. and finally, i dont know what your (ucrawford)problem personally is, but if you want to casually throw insults around to a stranger and not expect disrespect in turn, you'll probably be disappointed. for someone who touts his intel work, i find your thinking rather shallow as well. your own invective indicates a chip on the shoulder, but this really isnt any indictment as people who are motivated by conflict are quite natural. are you a moderator? whether you are or aren't i'm not too concerned about what your objections to sticking to the topic. i answer direct questions at any rate. and about impressions, you don't leave much of one with me either, especially now. enjoy. i concede nothing. i do label him a neoconservative because:
* the central tenent of neoconservatism is its approach to foreign policy.* mataconis has indeed already intimated his stance on Iraq in the past during his blurbs. he has also intimated his intense fear of “islamo-facism.” this of course is simply the modern buzzword that personifies any statement with that of neoconservative bent.

so he’s supposedly changed his mind on this with a report? sorry but give little to no credence either to the sincerity of this, or if sincere, to the character of someone who changes convictions at a whim.

and finally, i dont know what your (ucrawford)problem personally is, but if you want to casually throw insults around to a stranger and not expect disrespect in turn, you’ll probably be disappointed. for someone who touts his intel work, i find your thinking rather shallow as well. your own invective indicates a chip on the shoulder, but this really isnt any indictment as people who are motivated by conflict are quite natural. are you a moderator? whether you are or aren’t i’m not too concerned about what your objections to sticking to the topic. i answer direct questions at any rate. and about impressions, you don’t leave much of one with me either, especially now. enjoy.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46641 UCrawford Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:40:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/12/04/the-neocons-and-the-nie/#comment-46641 oilnwater, So you basically concede that Doug isn't really neoconservative, great. As for whether you like what I write or not, I don't particularly care...I don't know you, you impress me as a rather shallow thinker with a chip on his shoulder, and I wouldn't care if you got hit by a bus tomorrow. All I care about is that you stick to the topic, which was about neoconservatives' outlooks on the recent NIE and their reasons for their overall foreign policy approach. It wasn't a dissection of whether the post author is a neoconservative. oilnwater,

So you basically concede that Doug isn’t really neoconservative, great. As for whether you like what I write or not, I don’t particularly care…I don’t know you, you impress me as a rather shallow thinker with a chip on his shoulder, and I wouldn’t care if you got hit by a bus tomorrow. All I care about is that you stick to the topic, which was about neoconservatives’ outlooks on the recent NIE and their reasons for their overall foreign policy approach. It wasn’t a dissection of whether the post author is a neoconservative.

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