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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, 

Once again, I agree with your assessment of the current situation, but your prediction of the future still rests on the fundamental assumption that Paul has peaked or soon will. 

Maybe you&#039;re right this time, but you don&#039;t really have any credibility on the matter. 

We&#039;re right where we need to be. Go back a few months and review my posts. We&#039;re continuing our steady ascent. In most races, it would be too little, too late, but this isn&#039;t most races. There&#039;s so much turmoil at the top, we still have time to grow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>Once again, I agree with your assessment of the current situation, but your prediction of the future still rests on the fundamental assumption that Paul has peaked or soon will. </p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re right this time, but you don&#8217;t really have any credibility on the matter. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re right where we need to be. Go back a few months and review my posts. We&#8217;re continuing our steady ascent. In most races, it would be too little, too late, but this isn&#8217;t most races. There&#8217;s so much turmoil at the top, we still have time to grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Latest RCP average now has Giuliani 3rd in the national polls.  Look for a continued and rapid collapse of his campaign on the statewide level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest RCP average now has Giuliani 3rd in the national polls.  Look for a continued and rapid collapse of his campaign on the statewide level.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost_In_Translation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost_In_Translation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, 

But the RINO&#039;s see Romney as an acceptable replacement for Rudy, as they just want to make sure the neocons have a good chance of winning, hence the life being sucked out Rudy&#039;s polls.  Meanwhile, those mad at all the candidates may give Ron a boost, especially if Obama is already shown winning by a large percentage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, </p>
<p>But the RINO&#8217;s see Romney as an acceptable replacement for Rudy, as they just want to make sure the neocons have a good chance of winning, hence the life being sucked out Rudy&#8217;s polls.  Meanwhile, those mad at all the candidates may give Ron a boost, especially if Obama is already shown winning by a large percentage.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LIT,

But there are enough RINOs in New Hampshire to swing 4th for Rudy. Plus, I see no evidence to show that Paul has enough Republican voters to offset the losses he&#039;ll suffer because of left-leaning independents going to Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIT,</p>
<p>But there are enough RINOs in New Hampshire to swing 4th for Rudy. Plus, I see no evidence to show that Paul has enough Republican voters to offset the losses he&#8217;ll suffer because of left-leaning independents going to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think he may have a strong possibility to win California with his tough border stance. A lot of Californians are fed up. Don&#039;t count this man out yet. And the most important thing is his pointing out of the absolute shafting we are getting from the crooks at the Fedreal Reserve and IRS. When these unconstitutional crooks see the light of day Ron Paul is exposing, the ripple will turn into a tidal wave. We can only hope, or welcome to the Guiliani police state. God help us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he may have a strong possibility to win California with his tough border stance. A lot of Californians are fed up. Don&#8217;t count this man out yet. And the most important thing is his pointing out of the absolute shafting we are getting from the crooks at the Fedreal Reserve and IRS. When these unconstitutional crooks see the light of day Ron Paul is exposing, the ripple will turn into a tidal wave. We can only hope, or welcome to the Guiliani police state. God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost_In_Translation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost_In_Translation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

Keep in mind in states where Paul is not campaigning, his numbers are essentially the same as the national numbers, but where he goes, his numbers edge up.  While I don&#039;t think it could be enough, he&#039;s already shown that he can get delegates, just not the majority.  Nobody said this was going to be easy and the talking heads may be right that the message just won&#039;t convince enough people, but while they&#039;re saying to the public everything&#039;s fine within the republican party, inside the republican leaders should be worried that the republican base is this fractured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Keep in mind in states where Paul is not campaigning, his numbers are essentially the same as the national numbers, but where he goes, his numbers edge up.  While I don&#8217;t think it could be enough, he&#8217;s already shown that he can get delegates, just not the majority.  Nobody said this was going to be easy and the talking heads may be right that the message just won&#8217;t convince enough people, but while they&#8217;re saying to the public everything&#8217;s fine within the republican party, inside the republican leaders should be worried that the republican base is this fractured.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

Based on the most recent polling data, Paul is in 4th or 5th place in each of the states mentioned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Based on the most recent polling data, Paul is in 4th or 5th place in each of the states mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quote:

&quot;outside of the Granite State, there isn’t any state in the country where Paul seems likely to come in third, never mind win.&quot;

makes an assumption it should not make. Based on locality of donation support, meetup group size and number of volunteers, Ron Paul&#039;s strongest states are IL, IN, OH, MI, NY, TX and CA. The MI and February 5th primaries will be the telling tale, not tomorrow&#039;s election.

As Duncan Hunter will probably drop out after tomorrow, look for Paul support to pick up in border states as well.

The analysis stated in the essay is based on past elections. Historical data doesn&#039;t apply in a race without an incumbent running, something most pundits have forgotten as it&#039;s been decades since we had such a race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;outside of the Granite State, there isn’t any state in the country where Paul seems likely to come in third, never mind win.&#8221;</p>
<p>makes an assumption it should not make. Based on locality of donation support, meetup group size and number of volunteers, Ron Paul&#8217;s strongest states are IL, IN, OH, MI, NY, TX and CA. The MI and February 5th primaries will be the telling tale, not tomorrow&#8217;s election.</p>
<p>As Duncan Hunter will probably drop out after tomorrow, look for Paul support to pick up in border states as well.</p>
<p>The analysis stated in the essay is based on past elections. Historical data doesn&#8217;t apply in a race without an incumbent running, something most pundits have forgotten as it&#8217;s been decades since we had such a race.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost_In_Translation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost_In_Translation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin,

Giuliani&#039;s trend is spiraling downward and I can&#039;t see Paul failing to beat him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Giuliani&#8217;s trend is spiraling downward and I can&#8217;t see Paul failing to beat him</p>
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		<title>By: Lost_In_Translation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost_In_Translation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My predictions

McCain - 32
Romney - 24
Huckabee - 18
Paul - 12
Giuliani - 8
Thompson - 4

Polling indicates that Giuliani is falling like a cement shoed rat in popularity in both the national and state polls. With a record of loxing so badly in Iowa and New Hampshite, I can&#039;t see him recover.  Thompson was fauned over by the media and republican establishment, but cured their insomnia.  Huckabee is still exciting to many frustrated conservatives, but will be understood as a flash in the pan when the bigger states start voting.  Romney is a weasel, but he&#039;s a very suave weasel and might slime his way to the front, but I think conservatives are coming to settle on McCain, who everybody agrees they don&#039;t like, but dislike less than the alternatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My predictions</p>
<p>McCain &#8211; 32<br />
Romney &#8211; 24<br />
Huckabee &#8211; 18<br />
Paul &#8211; 12<br />
Giuliani &#8211; 8<br />
Thompson &#8211; 4</p>
<p>Polling indicates that Giuliani is falling like a cement shoed rat in popularity in both the national and state polls. With a record of loxing so badly in Iowa and New Hampshite, I can&#8217;t see him recover.  Thompson was fauned over by the media and republican establishment, but cured their insomnia.  Huckabee is still exciting to many frustrated conservatives, but will be understood as a flash in the pan when the bigger states start voting.  Romney is a weasel, but he&#8217;s a very suave weasel and might slime his way to the front, but I think conservatives are coming to settle on McCain, who everybody agrees they don&#8217;t like, but dislike less than the alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dems:  Easy enough.  Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson.  The big question is the amount Obama wins by and how far behind Clinton Edwards finishes. If Clinton loses by double digits, she&#039;s going to have a hard time spinning things.  She&#039;ll win Michigan, but that one is pretty much unconstested because they broke the rules.  I&#039;ve been hearing that she may have to completely write South Carolina off, which means she&#039;s going to need a big win in Nevada.

Republicans: McCain, Romney, Paul (by a hair), Huckabee, Giuliani, Thompson.  Paul will get a higher percentage of his supporters to the polls than Huckabee, which will get him the third place spot.  As with the Dems, the big question is by how much McCain will win.  Anything more than 3 or 4 points, and Romney is officially toast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dems:  Easy enough.  Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson.  The big question is the amount Obama wins by and how far behind Clinton Edwards finishes. If Clinton loses by double digits, she&#8217;s going to have a hard time spinning things.  She&#8217;ll win Michigan, but that one is pretty much unconstested because they broke the rules.  I&#8217;ve been hearing that she may have to completely write South Carolina off, which means she&#8217;s going to need a big win in Nevada.</p>
<p>Republicans: McCain, Romney, Paul (by a hair), Huckabee, Giuliani, Thompson.  Paul will get a higher percentage of his supporters to the polls than Huckabee, which will get him the third place spot.  As with the Dems, the big question is by how much McCain will win.  Anything more than 3 or 4 points, and Romney is officially toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02voters.html

Here is a great preview from the NY Times explaining how the independents have increased since 2000 largely because NH is a state that allows only independents to cross-party vote.  The article is not favorable to McCain or Romney and one can hardly believe that Huckabee could fair very well. It does read well for Obama. Dr No. is curiously omitted from this analysis; article was written before raising 20 mil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02voters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02voters.html</a></p>
<p>Here is a great preview from the NY Times explaining how the independents have increased since 2000 largely because NH is a state that allows only independents to cross-party vote.  The article is not favorable to McCain or Romney and one can hardly believe that Huckabee could fair very well. It does read well for Obama. Dr No. is curiously omitted from this analysis; article was written before raising 20 mil.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Democrats:

No disagreement.

Republicans:

1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Huckabee
4) Giuliani
5) Paul
6) Thompson

McCain has the Republican-leaning independents locked up. Michigan will be do or die for Mitt Romney. Huckabee has surged enough to pick up a strong 3rd. Paul will fall to 5th because he is counting on at this point left-leaning independent voters to show up for him. My evidence is his debate performance Saturday night where he sounded like at times, a leftist. Unfortunately for him, they&#039;re going to show up for Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats:</p>
<p>No disagreement.</p>
<p>Republicans:</p>
<p>1) McCain<br />
2) Romney<br />
3) Huckabee<br />
4) Giuliani<br />
5) Paul<br />
6) Thompson</p>
<p>McCain has the Republican-leaning independents locked up. Michigan will be do or die for Mitt Romney. Huckabee has surged enough to pick up a strong 3rd. Paul will fall to 5th because he is counting on at this point left-leaning independent voters to show up for him. My evidence is his debate performance Saturday night where he sounded like at times, a leftist. Unfortunately for him, they&#8217;re going to show up for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCP had Paul behind Giuliani.  So we both might be overly optimistic.  
The only place I saw Paul leading is Alaska.  I&#039;m hoping he can make a fight of it in Arizona(2nd or 3rd) and maybe Utah(2nd or 3rd).  But I admit that&#039;s my heart talking instead of my brain.  I wonder how long it&#039;ll be before he runs out of money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCP had Paul behind Giuliani.  So we both might be overly optimistic.<br />
The only place I saw Paul leading is Alaska.  I&#8217;m hoping he can make a fight of it in Arizona(2nd or 3rd) and maybe Utah(2nd or 3rd).  But I admit that&#8217;s my heart talking instead of my brain.  I wonder how long it&#8217;ll be before he runs out of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,

You may turn out to be right on the 3-4 order on the GOP side. The latest Rasmussen poll shows Paul falling behind Huckabee and Giuliani in 5th place.

I&#039;m still going with my optimism on that one, though.

If the Rasmussen poll turns out to be closer to reality, though, then we&#039;re looking at the beginning of the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>You may turn out to be right on the 3-4 order on the GOP side. The latest Rasmussen poll shows Paul falling behind Huckabee and Giuliani in 5th place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still going with my optimism on that one, though.</p>
<p>If the Rasmussen poll turns out to be closer to reality, though, then we&#8217;re looking at the beginning of the end.</p>
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