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	<title>Comments on: A Good Point in the Ron Paul Kerfluffle</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-50298</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laughs, I like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laughs, I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy realist</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-50279</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the debasing of the currency in the Roman Empire, for example...

Although in the present world, it would simply occur due to the government by fiat resetting whatever peg it had with gold.   So rather than slow devaluation of the currency, you&#039;d have it all at once. 

Also--why gold?  

(Some wag once suggested we go on the pot standard--very easy to increase your currency base when needed and hell, you could always smoke it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the debasing of the currency in the Roman Empire, for example&#8230;</p>
<p>Although in the present world, it would simply occur due to the government by fiat resetting whatever peg it had with gold.   So rather than slow devaluation of the currency, you&#8217;d have it all at once. </p>
<p>Also&#8211;why gold?  </p>
<p>(Some wag once suggested we go on the pot standard&#8211;very easy to increase your currency base when needed and hell, you could always smoke it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-50165</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, the insistence on precious metal backed currency indicates a lack of understanding of what currency represents and how fiat currencies collapse. And plenty of precious metal currencies have collapsed too, through currency debasing. The gold standard is not a panacea, nor will it bring about utopia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, the insistence on precious metal backed currency indicates a lack of understanding of what currency represents and how fiat currencies collapse. And plenty of precious metal currencies have collapsed too, through currency debasing. The gold standard is not a panacea, nor will it bring about utopia.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-50163</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATTN: Paul Supporters, BOYCOTT MAINSTREAM NEWS NOW! DO NOT WATCH NETWORK or CABLE NEWS!  Don&#039;t play their game! The BEST way to support Ron Paul, is a TOTAL boycott on Mainstream News Media until he wins. A fox boycott isn&#039;t enough. There isn&#039;t one mainstream media news source that we can turn to. We rule on the web, so make them fight on our turf. Besides, you aren&#039;t going to miss much anyways. Get your news media from google and youtube only!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATTN: Paul Supporters, BOYCOTT MAINSTREAM NEWS NOW! DO NOT WATCH NETWORK or CABLE NEWS!  Don&#8217;t play their game! The BEST way to support Ron Paul, is a TOTAL boycott on Mainstream News Media until he wins. A fox boycott isn&#8217;t enough. There isn&#8217;t one mainstream media news source that we can turn to. We rule on the web, so make them fight on our turf. Besides, you aren&#8217;t going to miss much anyways. Get your news media from google and youtube only!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, with the problems with a gold standard as there are, a fiat based monetary ssytem has never lasted more than 200 years, are we about to set a record? The fiat dollar will collapse, more likely sooner rather than later. What do you propose for a monetary system if not a precious metal based one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, with the problems with a gold standard as there are, a fiat based monetary ssytem has never lasted more than 200 years, are we about to set a record? The fiat dollar will collapse, more likely sooner rather than later. What do you propose for a monetary system if not a precious metal based one?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49860</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be Kay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be Kay.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49652</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson”

Heh, heh…man-crush. It’s the deep voice isn’t it? :)&lt;/i&gt;

Going on record here to remind y&#039;all of my comments a few weeks ago when I said  &quot;don&#039;t blink&quot;.

http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/ has some of the best round up on his positions on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson”</p>
<p>Heh, heh…man-crush. It’s the deep voice isn’t it? :)</i></p>
<p>Going on record here to remind y&#8217;all of my comments a few weeks ago when I said  &#8220;don&#8217;t blink&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/</a> has some of the best round up on his positions on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49646</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly for Thompson, Obama has all the ladies swooning!

I like Thompson&#039;s enthusiasm. He seems completely uninterested in seeking power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly for Thompson, Obama has all the ladies swooning!</p>
<p>I like Thompson&#8217;s enthusiasm. He seems completely uninterested in seeking power.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49644</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he&#039;s tall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he&#8217;s tall!</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49642</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson&quot;

Heh, heh...man-crush.  It&#039;s the deep voice isn&#039;t it?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh, heh&#8230;man-crush.  It&#8217;s the deep voice isn&#8217;t it?  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/13/a-good-point-in-the-ron-paul-kerfluffle/#comment-49637</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, it is not that he is not a &quot;true libertarian&quot;. Rather, I find many of his positions objectionable, if not in outright opposition to mine. Here&#039;s a few examples, just so I&#039;m not being totally generic.

I don&#039;t support the idea of the gold standard. Kevin gave some good reasons in another thread that match my own. 

I don&#039;t agree with his position on borders and immigration, even in a country that has some social safety net and welfare programs. I feel fairly strongly that RP&#039;s position on immigration is a populist one that panders to nativist, even outright racist, folks. In any case, I disagree with him.

I do not agree with him on abortion, although I&#039;m heartened to hear him agree that it should be a legislative and state issue.

I do not agree with his isolationist foreign policy, or the idea that we should rapidly and unilaterally withdraw from Iraq. Despite my very serious misgivings about, and opposition to, the Bush/Clinton/Bush interventionism and adventurism, I think we have a tar baby now and we can&#039;t let go that easily.

I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory approach that he, mostly implicitly, appears to subscribe to. 

Those are some pretty significant differences between RP and I. Given that I think he will be a very poor president, the areas where he and I are in agreement are not enough to overcome those differences. 

As far as not voting goes, I am actually a rational anarchist and believe that I am solely and entirely responsible for my actions. If there is no candidate for President that I can, in good conscious, vote for then I will not be individually responsible for a choice to put the &quot;least of the evils&quot; in office. That is not a protest, nor a cop out, nor do I think it somehow makes our country better. What this choice does is allow me to choose to adhere to my own beliefs and not compromise them. 

On that tuesday in November, I will walk in a voting booth. I will vote for each person, or ballot measure that I can support in good conscious. If I cannot vote yes or no or for a support someone without compromising myself, then I will leave that section blank. It seems likely that I will not vote for anyone for President at this point.

I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson, but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s going to go away as soon as I look at his politics. 

By the way, I have never voted for a Libertarian. I doubt that will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, it is not that he is not a &#8220;true libertarian&#8221;. Rather, I find many of his positions objectionable, if not in outright opposition to mine. Here&#8217;s a few examples, just so I&#8217;m not being totally generic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support the idea of the gold standard. Kevin gave some good reasons in another thread that match my own. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with his position on borders and immigration, even in a country that has some social safety net and welfare programs. I feel fairly strongly that RP&#8217;s position on immigration is a populist one that panders to nativist, even outright racist, folks. In any case, I disagree with him.</p>
<p>I do not agree with him on abortion, although I&#8217;m heartened to hear him agree that it should be a legislative and state issue.</p>
<p>I do not agree with his isolationist foreign policy, or the idea that we should rapidly and unilaterally withdraw from Iraq. Despite my very serious misgivings about, and opposition to, the Bush/Clinton/Bush interventionism and adventurism, I think we have a tar baby now and we can&#8217;t let go that easily.</p>
<p>I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory approach that he, mostly implicitly, appears to subscribe to. </p>
<p>Those are some pretty significant differences between RP and I. Given that I think he will be a very poor president, the areas where he and I are in agreement are not enough to overcome those differences. </p>
<p>As far as not voting goes, I am actually a rational anarchist and believe that I am solely and entirely responsible for my actions. If there is no candidate for President that I can, in good conscious, vote for then I will not be individually responsible for a choice to put the &#8220;least of the evils&#8221; in office. That is not a protest, nor a cop out, nor do I think it somehow makes our country better. What this choice does is allow me to choose to adhere to my own beliefs and not compromise them. </p>
<p>On that tuesday in November, I will walk in a voting booth. I will vote for each person, or ballot measure that I can support in good conscious. If I cannot vote yes or no or for a support someone without compromising myself, then I will leave that section blank. It seems likely that I will not vote for anyone for President at this point.</p>
<p>I do have a mild attraction to Fred Thompson, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s going to go away as soon as I look at his politics. </p>
<p>By the way, I have never voted for a Libertarian. I doubt that will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment.  Although I sympathize with the Libertarians--very much, as I voted Badnarik rather than Bush or Kerry--I&#039;d like to point out that this is 2008 and not 1988.  The guy is not running as a Libertarian.  This constant referral to how he&#039;s not a true libertarian means nothing to me under the circumstances.  But if there&#039;s a reason I should be more concerned about this issue, please enlighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment.  Although I sympathize with the Libertarians&#8211;very much, as I voted Badnarik rather than Bush or Kerry&#8211;I&#8217;d like to point out that this is 2008 and not 1988.  The guy is not running as a Libertarian.  This constant referral to how he&#8217;s not a true libertarian means nothing to me under the circumstances.  But if there&#8217;s a reason I should be more concerned about this issue, please enlighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To address the comparison to Carter, who many feel was ineffectual as a President:  The difference between Paul and Carter was that Carter MICROMANAGED everything.  I understand why you would use Carter as an example.  All I can say is that I feel Paul has more transparency than many candidates and yes, we&#039;ve seen evidence of the opposite as well. But...I think he would pull through if he were in the position.

Adam, I think you are wasting a lot of talent, ability and common sense by taking a hands off approach.  I hope you at least exercise your right to vote.  Not showing up on poll day doesn&#039;t count, as most politicians view it as laziness and not as a &quot;protest&quot;.  

In fact, I&#039;d appreciate a better understanding of why people think that not voting is somehow a protest of government or somehow makes our country better.  I find this attitude confusing and troublesome.  So many have fought for the right to vote that it seems wrong to me to just ignore a responsibility.  Please educate me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To address the comparison to Carter, who many feel was ineffectual as a President:  The difference between Paul and Carter was that Carter MICROMANAGED everything.  I understand why you would use Carter as an example.  All I can say is that I feel Paul has more transparency than many candidates and yes, we&#8217;ve seen evidence of the opposite as well. But&#8230;I think he would pull through if he were in the position.</p>
<p>Adam, I think you are wasting a lot of talent, ability and common sense by taking a hands off approach.  I hope you at least exercise your right to vote.  Not showing up on poll day doesn&#8217;t count, as most politicians view it as laziness and not as a &#8220;protest&#8221;.  </p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d appreciate a better understanding of why people think that not voting is somehow a protest of government or somehow makes our country better.  I find this attitude confusing and troublesome.  So many have fought for the right to vote that it seems wrong to me to just ignore a responsibility.  Please educate me!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I no longer do &quot;collective thinking&quot;.  In fact, I think that&#039;s what is wrong with our country.  We&#039;ve been pushed and prodded into not thinking for ourselves and instead we accept at face value what is presented to us.  I know, because up until about 6 months ago I was one of those people.  I&#039;ve spent more time researching issues, studying, thinking, talking/debating...  It&#039;s amazing to watch/read &quot;the news&quot; and to see how I&#039;m being pushed to think a certain way because now I&#039;m more prepared and have made an effort to educate myself beyond what is given to me in snippet news.  I&#039;m going back into recent history and reevaluating what has happened.  I&#039;m coming away more and more concerned.  I&#039;ve got two kids and I am incredibly concerned for them.

Adam, I actually agree with your point about Ron Paul&#039;s leadership ability.  I have been pondering Paul&#039;s ability specifically as an administrator/supervisor given how his campaign has been run.  He&#039;s going to have to be more responsive more quickly and be especially alert if he&#039;s going to lead a successful presidency.  Grassroots is great, but only goes so far.  But...unlike you I am willing to risk it and back him with my vote in the primary.  Not because I am &quot;so worried about electing a message that [I am] willing to destroy any chance to have the message administered effectively after the election&quot;, but because I feel that he can rise to the occasion.  I have experienced this in my own life, and seen others do the same.  I am not afraid to have faith in this candidate, I&#039;m not afraid to trust a message that is so different from what others are cramming down my throat.  I like what this particular candidate is saying about issues important to me, and I&#039;m willing to support getting him into a position where he might be able to actually do something.  That&#039;s my job--to vote for him.  And if he fails me once he&#039;s in office, it&#039;s my job to vote him out.  Yes, plenty of things could go wrong in a Ron Paul presidency.  But plenty could go right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I no longer do &#8220;collective thinking&#8221;.  In fact, I think that&#8217;s what is wrong with our country.  We&#8217;ve been pushed and prodded into not thinking for ourselves and instead we accept at face value what is presented to us.  I know, because up until about 6 months ago I was one of those people.  I&#8217;ve spent more time researching issues, studying, thinking, talking/debating&#8230;  It&#8217;s amazing to watch/read &#8220;the news&#8221; and to see how I&#8217;m being pushed to think a certain way because now I&#8217;m more prepared and have made an effort to educate myself beyond what is given to me in snippet news.  I&#8217;m going back into recent history and reevaluating what has happened.  I&#8217;m coming away more and more concerned.  I&#8217;ve got two kids and I am incredibly concerned for them.</p>
<p>Adam, I actually agree with your point about Ron Paul&#8217;s leadership ability.  I have been pondering Paul&#8217;s ability specifically as an administrator/supervisor given how his campaign has been run.  He&#8217;s going to have to be more responsive more quickly and be especially alert if he&#8217;s going to lead a successful presidency.  Grassroots is great, but only goes so far.  But&#8230;unlike you I am willing to risk it and back him with my vote in the primary.  Not because I am &#8220;so worried about electing a message that [I am] willing to destroy any chance to have the message administered effectively after the election&#8221;, but because I feel that he can rise to the occasion.  I have experienced this in my own life, and seen others do the same.  I am not afraid to have faith in this candidate, I&#8217;m not afraid to trust a message that is so different from what others are cramming down my throat.  I like what this particular candidate is saying about issues important to me, and I&#8217;m willing to support getting him into a position where he might be able to actually do something.  That&#8217;s my job&#8211;to vote for him.  And if he fails me once he&#8217;s in office, it&#8217;s my job to vote him out.  Yes, plenty of things could go wrong in a Ron Paul presidency.  But plenty could go right.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amyz,

Ron Paul proposes earmarks for special interests in his district such as shrimpers.</description>
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<p>Ron Paul proposes earmarks for special interests in his district such as shrimpers.</p>
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