Can you anarchists please indicate to me any time in history that an anarchic civilization existed?

All things being equal I’d vote for the guy with the best ideas. But when the guy with the best ideas defends mistakes he’s made by claiming that he was an incompetent manager who wasn’t paying attention that tends to make him less good than somebody with not so great ideas who can at least appoint a competent staff and run them.

My issue in this election that I care about most is the war in Iraq, I want it to end. However I believe at some point the President (whoever it is) will be forced to do this, regardless of who is elected. Ideally we’d have somebody who would end it sooner rather than later, which is what Ron Paul has promised to do. However, based on his past mistakes with the newsletter hires and the ineffectiveness of the official campaign staff he has (most of his momentum has come from the grassroots where he has had little involvement) and the lack of any examples of good management on Paul’s part I simply don’t trust him to put people in charge (at State and DOD) who can accomplish this. In fact I think there’s a good chance he’ll appoint people who will make the situation worse for our troops by screwing up the withdrawal with some ideologue at SECDEF who’s incapable of coming up with a plan for withdrawal that the military will be able to carry out…and to me that’s unacceptable because that has the potential to be just as bloody as staying.

Ideas and speeches about freedom are nice, but honestly I haven’t heard Paul ever say HOW he plans to accomplish these ideas by providing specifics or plans or potential appointees to key offices, and that’s just as if not more important than WHAT he plans to do.

“Let’s not all go all batshit crazy here…”

That put a big smile on my face!

Alright all, good evening.

Sorry for misunderstanding to your prior statement. I am glad to see another person recognize that going back to pre-Amendment would be beneficial.

“…these are critical skills for the President to have and I cannot in all good conscience vote for a candidate who so clearly lacks them and exhibits an inability to learn from and not repeat his mistakes.”

From what I have heard and read of Ron Paul it sounds to me that he has learned from those mistakes.

And another reason, though maybe not a completely sound argument, any other candidate would willingly appoint people to further the stripping of our liberties and continue an un-just war.
I know from your standpoint that sounds like the argument of “lesser of two evils.” And I suppose to be fair, given your view that is what it is. The only reason I add that is because I truly believe that he does recognize that error and has corrected it. So it becomes my default argument and this is one situation where that argument holds some weight.

I support nobody at this time.

when you find out how to get out of paying property tax please let us all know.

Will do, although I suspect it will either have to do with finding a very good accountant or running for office myself. Sadly, even if Ron Paul won I seriously doubt he’d be able to accomplish it mainly because I don’t think he’s capable of putting together a staff that won’t screw him up.

That is one of the biggest issues of a long laundry list to once again become a sovereign citizen of our respective states.

Let’s not all go all batshit crazy here…we’re as much sovereign citizens of this country as any residents of any country are. There are certainly things we could do to make ourselves more free but we’re hardly slaves.

Correction:

Now I feel as if falling into a dream, which is the sad part.

Sorry everyone…I did say I was falling into a dream, so I must have been sleeping. :)

I don’t advocate to go back to just property owners voting either. It is a shame though how many ignorant people vote and haven’t the slightest idea of what they are promoting.

LOL, when you find out how to get out of paying property tax please let us all know. That is one of the biggest issues of a long laundry list to once again become a sovereign citizen of our respective states.

“…I just don’t believe that people who have no interest in politics and don’t know what’s going on should be encouraged to vote in ignorance.”

I completly agree with you. I would further that statement by saying that everyone should be interested in politics and everyone should defend Our Constitution, first and foremost.

Now I feel as if falling into a dream, that is the said part.

I recognize taxes as the penalty I have to pay for choosing to live in a welfare state that offers services the free market could better provide. Once I figure a way to weasel out of paying them rest assured I will. :)

As such, my ownership claim on it right now is stronger than anyone else’s, so I’d qualify for a vote under a system that only gave power to property owners. But I still think it’s a bad idea.

That’s not a terrible idea to only allow property owners to vote… Oh yeah one problem, how many people own land anymore?

Every single homeowner. Even though I’m a homeowner, however, I’d still oppose changing voting qualifications. I believe in universal suffrage, I just don’t believe that people who have no interest in politics and don’t know what’s going on should be encouraged to vote in ignorance.

I think you misinterpreted my remark, I was actually in favor of returning the election of Senators to the pre-17th Amendment method. Others brought up other suggestions that I disagreed with and I was merely arguing that there should be uniformity in whatever method was chosen.

To those of you here that don’t support Ron Paul, who do you support and how in any fashion would they help us bring our laws back within the frame of Our Constitution?

To answer for myself, I used to support Ron Paul but he pretty clearly demonstrated to my mind that he’s not capable of accurately judging people’s character, assembling a competent staff, or handling crises so now I back no one. Whatever a candidate’s views, these are critical skills for the President to have and I cannot in all good conscience vote for a candidate who so clearly lacks them and exhibits an inability to learn from and not repeat his mistakes. He could be the most decent and intelligent man on the planet, but I simply don’t trust him not to staff his Cabinet with fools and friends who may have their own agendas.

Whether I support another candidate or not, I guess we’ll see. If there’s nobody out there I find competent for the job I will probably not vote for President.

Adam?

Doug?

Ucrawford?

Anyone or all of you care to weigh in on that question?