Comments on: Memo To Ron Paul: Come Clean For Your Own Sake, And The Sake Of Liberty http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:29:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Carlton Meyers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50312 Carlton Meyers Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:13:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50312 “Ron Paul Is Not A Bigot: Refuting the New Republic Charges.”

Basically argues that Ron Paul is a good guy, clearly didn’t write the racist stuff, and deserves support regardless of the particulars. Doesn’t “refute” all the New Republic charges, but makes the case for cutting him some slack.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_james_w__080116_ron_paul_is_not_a_bi.htm

]]> By: Adam Selene http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50156 Adam Selene Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:16:53 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50156 Ken:

if you were real libertarians rather than closet-GOP-lackies.

I just got home from a two day business trip and was seriously in need of a drink. Since I’m sure that this invokes at least one rule, SCORE! Now I can drink and not even feel guilty. The rules say I must. Thanks Ken.

On a more serious note, WTF?

]]> By: Ken http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50149 Ken Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:21:47 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50149 This website should be bannered wall to wall with Ron Paul material – if you were real libertarians rather than closet-GOP-lackies. What are you guys (the regulars) afraid of? Pissing of your redstate.com buddies? How pathetic. Thank god for the real pauliticians that are taking up the stand for liberty and running for office with platforms that show respect for the constitution and guts. For all those that drafted Fred out a box of mothballs, c ya!

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50100 UCrawford Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:04:58 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50100 Including our Founding Fathers. Bunch of trouble-making illegal immigrants they were. If only we’d had tougher border restrictions to keep that rabble out.

]]> By: Mark http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50099 Mark Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:02:59 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50099 Wow. Adrian managed to hit like 10 rules in a comment of only a couple lines: Rule 1, Rule 2, Rule 4, Rule 6, Rule 7 (big time!), Rule 11, and the oh-so-difficult Rules 11 and 12.

…And the priceless argument that one who does not support Ron Paul therefore hates America.

Not to mention the bizarre argument that globalization (ie, voluntary free trade) undermines freedom. There is nothing more amusing to me than someone claiming that freedom and liberty means that national sovereignty is more important than individual sovereignty and the right to contract with people from other nations.

Apparently, only people physically born within the boundaries of the USA who support Ron Paul are capable of understanding freedom.

]]> By: Adrian Veloz http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50081 Adrian Veloz Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:49:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50081 Doug are you a globalist? If you are thats fine, your opinion. But it would sure explain your total dislike for Ron Paul. America does not exist in globalization. There wont be an American Constitution, freedom of Americans will be decided be the new world order. Is that the America you pine for, really? Are you ready to give up your freedoms for security?

Well the fine Americans that support Ron Paul love America and freedom! Our Founders knew about Big Government and made the Constitution of this great country to keep the Government limited, which keeps the people free!

But what do we have now? We have Government involved in everything. We get writers like you telling us, the people, that thats how it is sapposed to be? We get media pundits that say Ron Paul is unelectable?

So Doug, maybe you can answer a question for me. Why do you hate America so much?

]]> By: Red http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50058 Red Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:35:58 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50058 Hey,

Did Hillary write those letters? Check this out:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/07/16/hillary.book.response.02/index.html

]]> By: Mark http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50054 Mark Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:01 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50054 Dodsworth:
Fair enough. And I most certainly would have preferred them to take a more public role on the war; had they done so, you’re probably correct that it would have decreased the influence of LRC, etc.

But that in no way, shape, or form equates to support of the war or to the ridiculous accusation often leveled at them and others that they are “neocons.” What is amazing is that the people who view any criticism of Ron Paul – however valid – as a “smear,” have no problem calling anyone who disagrees with them a “neocon,” regardless of their position on the war.

]]> By: Dodsworth http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50050 Dodsworth Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:53:03 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50050 Mark:

We’ll we disagree about Cato. There is more than one discontented staff member there who can tell you that Boaz and Crane purposely muted any opposition to the war because of a fear of driving away contributors.

Yes, both have stated their opposition but it is not heavily emphasized or hard-hitting. Ask former Catoite Ivan Eland. He’ll tell you. I could also mention, of course, the friendly reception to Fred Thompson (from Tanner and others) which has usually not included any criticism of his bellicose foreign policy.

Cato’s relatively lethargic approach to the war stands in contrast to LRC, antiwar.com, and the Independent Institute. Personally, I’d love a world where the independent Institute (my favorite free market policy group) could carry the ball but unfortunately it does not have anywhere near the resources of Cato or Mises.

If the folks at Cato want to throw stones now at antiwar libertarians who don’t toe their line, fine. They should be reminded, however, that they were they were the ones who largely abdicated a leading role in a libertarian antiwar movement and thus indirectly empowered Rockwell and company who filled the vacuum.

]]> By: Mark http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50049 Mark Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:31:01 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50049 One more thing- it seems like the biggest problem that the Rockwellians have with Cato (and other “cosmos”) is that Cato doesn’t use a sufficient amount of invective. What they don’t seem to realize is how utterly fruitless invective is as a strategy for changing peoples’ minds.

It’s fine if your goal is just to rally the troops that already agree with you (I still don’t like it, but it’s a rational strategy); but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if your goal is to change peoples’ minds and influence policy in your direction.

]]> By: Mark http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50048 Mark Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:21:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50048 Cato has always officially opposed the war, and to my knowledge Boaz has always been their point man on the issue. Yes, there are people at Cato who did not- but that’s to be expected in any organization that respects the idea of free thought- especially one with as many policy scholars as they have. So far as I can tell, only Brink Lindsey ever advocated for the war in Iraq of their experts who deal in any way with foreign policy (I could be wrong, but I looked pretty hard). There is some difference of opinion perhaps on how quickly to leave – but that’s not any different from the concerns UCrawford has expressed here or that I have, frankly.

While I would love to see them be more vocal on their opposition to the war, I wouldn’t say that opposition has been “muted.” They have quite a few articles and commentary pieces that they’ve published in opposition to the war.

In any event, they’re a far, far cry from being “neocons” on foreign policy, which is the accusation I was addressing.

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50047 Brad Warbiany Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:00:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50047

Doug Wormwood,

I believe in addition to a drink for an ad hominem, that requires that it be a drink of Absinthe…

You know, because of the wormwood?

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50046 Brad Warbiany Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:59:30 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50046 Mark:

So, in conclusion- definitely a drink all the beers in the room, and probably in the house.

Please don’t do that to me, Mark. As I’ve pointed out, I’m a homebrewer. I have 6 cases of beer in my house right now. Are you trying to kill me?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50044 Kevin Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:50:37 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50044

Doug Wormwood,

That’s a new one. Pour me a drink.

]]> By: Screwtape http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50043 Screwtape Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:28:20 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/01/16/memo-to-ron-paul-come-clean-for-your-own-sake-and-the-sake-of-liberty/#comment-50043 Doug Wormwood,

You were never a part of it, so don’t worry. You have always been pro-murder, and stood with us. What’s puzzling you is the nature of my game.

Sincerely,
Screwtape

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