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Just watch…it’s like Energizer Bunny…just keeps going and going.
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“violating the very principles Paul claims to be running on”

I guess sticking to his principles for 20 years in Congress isn’t enough to convince you, huh? This is the only guy that does have principles and has a rock solid record of defending the Constitution and you’re you still find a way to weasel in a knock at Paul. Sheesh, you’re too cynical to even function as a journalist!

Unbelievable!

Ill be donating!!

Don’t worry,

Here’s Ron Paul’s answer about electability:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI

Two words “MLK Day”

The votes are there for Ron Paul…they just aren’t being counted. Just look at all the articles floating around regarding vote fraud and changing caucus dates and time, scrambling databases the night before the vote in IA…the list goes on, and on. We aren’t blind nor stupid, Doug. They aren’t even trying to hide the fact that he’s getting thrown under the bus. It’s sad, corrupted people like you who contribute to this as well, and I pity your eternal soul. Ron Paul may or may not win, but bet on this: God most certainly will. Are you ready to face your creator? I fought for my rights as a combat veteran, and for what I know to be true w/ Ron Paul. I can face my God w/ no fear in my heart…can you say the same?

Gmason08,

If Doug bothers you so much, then why bother being here? And secondly, I would love evidence as to how he is “anti-liberty.” Secondly, he blogs at below the beltway, not OTB. Thirdly, just because he may not support Ron Paul, or just because he realizes that his campaign is dead, does not make him “anti-liberty.” I think you are confused and you need to check your “with us or against us” mentality. Freedom is an ideal. Ron Paul is a man. Don’t idolize, nor get the two confused.

I maxed out in the 2nd quarter of last year. I wish I could send more, I would if I could. Kind of sucked missing out on all the big days and not being able to donate, but oh well.

People need something on which to base their hope.

Before Iowa, New Hampshire and now Michigan, there was a widespread belief that the mainstream polls were wrong — and there were some cogent explanations of why this was so. Remember all the talk about landlines vs cellphones?

But then the voting came out pretty much the way the polls said it would.

We’ve been telling ourselves that we’re the vanguard of a popular revolution, but 6 to 8 percent makes us feel like outsiders again.

We need to see some double-digit results. Despite some of the glee expressed on Lew Rockwell’s site and elsewhere, it isn’t enough that Dr Paul is doing better that Giuliani. We need to see Dr Paul finish in the top three, and maybe even win in states like Nevada.

David Wilson,

“If Doug bothers you so much, then why bother being here?”

People of goodwill are for the most part susceptible to being taken in by the conniving, as such, it is important to warn them from time to time (and those not familiar with a particular SQ shills track record) of their true agendas. Doug has amply demonstrated he is worthy-of great contempt. Example: Pretending to be a Ron Paul supporter as he cranks out Hit Piece after Hit Piece masquerading as “campaign analysis”.

DW-“I would love evidence as to how he is “anti-liberty.””

Ample evidence is available for those that understand and support true individual Liberty, go back and read his collectivist nonsense. For example he often attempts to silence voices, no one that understands Liberty would seek to silence any voice no matter how far that voice strays from the meat of the prevailing opinion bell curve. Doug promotes a concept of Orthodoxy among Liberty Lovers, an “approved” Liberty party line. The idea of LIberty having a party line is indicative of someone that hasn’t a clue of the basic tenets of Liberty or someone that seeks to herd and drive Liberty away from LIBERTY.

DW-“Secondly, he blogs at below the beltway, not OTB.”

Thanks for pointing that out, I will add it to the proceed with caution list.

DW-Thirdly, just because he may not support Ron Paul,

or just because he realizes that his campaign is dead,…

Nice try at weaving your attempt to manipulate opinion in that sentence Dave. Here is another “Liberty” hint for you; People that support Liberty do not use deceptive tactics to win support for their position, they state their position plainly and allow the FREE to exercise their Free Will.

DW-“I think you are confused and you need to check your “with us or against us” mentality. Freedom is an ideal. Ron Paul is a man. Don’t idolize, nor get the two confused.”

I think you make the common mistake of arrogant manipulators; assuming you are so slick toast that everyone falls for your semi-crafty BS.

David Wilson, you leap to defend Mataconis. Mataconis is worthy of similar contempt as Dondero.

Hey Doug,

This sounds an awful lot like what Justin Gardner was saying at the end of October. He ended up with a lot of egg on his face at the end of the quarter.

http://donklephant.com/2007/11/01/ron-paul-falls-137-million-short-of-october-fundraising-goal/

Lots of people donate and do not register.

But I’m sure that the TNR pieces are having their desired effect and making people hesitate in donating to the Paul campaign.

And with Dondero’s gleeful revelation (can’t remember the link just now) that TNR is going to distort Dr. Paul’s books in the same way they distorted certain newsletter excerpts (probably just before Feb 5th primary) I guess we can expect more of the same old argumentum ad hominem (which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion) instead of any real debate on the issues of the day.

Well, I know Valley Forge wasn’t much fun for our founders in depths of winter in 1776-1777. I’m just thankful my test is a test of resolve, and not a test of the body.

I do wish the paul campaign would listen to Stephen Gordon and start doing some damage control.

Hey guys! (yes, You in the Ron Paul campaign) please take some of the money we are giving you and go hire a PR firm that specializes in damage control. this thing is beatable, and if you innoculate prior to the next bombshell, you might just weather the storm.

Later.

I wonder if Doug is really a Ron Paul fan. He writes these articles and allows all of us on the blogs to say:
1. Ron Paul is awesome.
2. He has the most consistent voting record of any candidate.
3. He supports civil rights for everyone.
4. He is for small government.

Thanks Doug for helping us promote the Money Bomb on MLK day :)

Go Ron!!!

TC,

That article by James harris is exactly what I have been trying to say. He does a much better job of it than I could.

Later,

I am waiting on mlk day. Will watch as funds come in if it looks short I will double my donation. I personally believe the doc. is the last best hope for america before the solidification of the police state.

gmason08:

For the record, I support Ron Paul. I have donated twice to his campaign and brought a few of my friends to follow him. It seems as if a few of the individuals on this comment thread confuse the message Doug is trying to get across. He has made no comment against individual liberty or specifically against Ron Paul on the basis of “libertarian” merit. He is saying that the campaign is failing. With serious losses in the past four primaries, how can you deny this? Short of some miracle on February 5th, Ron Paul’s campaign will fail. This is no argument against individual liberty, but an objective assessment of the merits of a campaign’s success.

1. When has Doug been “deceptive?”
2. Of course Doug presses his own views about liberty. He should be able to do so, however I have only seen honest and valuable arguments, not coercive action to stifle decent.
3. I do not think I am “slick toast.” I know I am 22, but I give my professors a run for their money, and I will be glad to do the same for you. I have no interest in deception or force.
4. I am not fond of defending anyone. I defend ideas. It is my opinion that while you may have good intentions, your ideas about Doug may be misconstrued based upon your support for Ron Paul. Let not your bias shield your eyes against the value of reason.
5. I will be glad to see evidence as to how Doug, or I, are venomous opponents of liberty.

Thank you.

Justin Raimondo weighs in on the controversy.
http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/

Matching funds: two arguments in favor…

1) They don’t come out of your taxes unless you check that little box on the tax form. Arguably you can say it’s a voluntary contribution.

2) Ron Paul also came out in favor of term limits for Congressmen, yet he’s now a ten-term Congressman. Is that a violation of principles? Tim Russert asked him that, and his answer was basically “I believe in applying it to everybody, not applying it to just me. If only the good people limit their terms, we’re even worse off.” Same principle here. Unilateral disarmament isn’t helpful.

> But once again, you’ve stumbled on my secret.
>
> I’d reveal more, but David Rockefeller is on the
> other line.

But he’s right!

For example: Which one of you have even MENTIONED the American Freedom Agenda Act? I’d think you’be urging your readers to contract their representatives to support such important legislation, but NO, not a peep!

In fact, when has any of these BS mainstream Libertarian frauds even mentioned legislation at all?

The Patriot Act? That was signed into law without it even being read.

And then, FINALLY, we get a really viable candidate that is pretty libertarian, and the “libertarian mainstream” is all soundly against him.

What a joke you guys are. I’m a Libertarian, none of these so called think tanks or rags is. You’re not. They’re just talk talk talk, 0 action. They’re a distraction, for all practical purposes, designed to mire us in inaction.

“I dare say that Cato and Reason have done more to advance libertarian ideas than any other institution out there.”

I dare you to explain precisely how.

And ideas? What good are ideas anyhow if they aren’t ever put into action?

I remember reading on CATO stories supporting this stupid, worthless war in Iraq back in 2002, as well. Nothing Libertarian about that war, or even Republican.

Let me refresh your memory:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n3.pdf

The AYN RAND Institute supported the Iraq war. What kind of crap is that? Rand would have never supported the Iraq war, not in a million years. She opposed the Vietnam War, the Korean War, WWI, and WWII – but the “think tank” that craps on her name, supports it, as if she would have.

Face the facts. These think tanks are frauds.

Libertarianism is a pretty simple concept and a compelling one to people who bother to understand it. These “think tanks” work to prevent the implementation of it by lying about what Libertarianism represents.

Paul, who isn’t a perfect Libertarian personally, is a perfect Libertarian at the FEDERAL level because of constitutional constraints. Even if he was the most despotic racist you can imagine, there’s the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment. It’s irrelevant if he’s a racist because he’s a strict constitutionalist. Unless Paul were to suddenly change after 30 years of voting constitently with the constitution, often against his own personal beliefs, no minority would have to fear his presidency.

But is that brought up by any of these rags or “think tanks”. No, of course not. They don’t want Libertarianism implemented at the Federal, state, or local levels. They are a diversion to foment disagreement among us. That is all they are.

That’s how it truly is. Until people stop letting these tactics control them, America is going to be stuck with this crappy one party system until we’re in a police state.

I liked this site better when it wasn’t bothering with pseudo-hit pieces on RP; when it was dealing with the bigger picture. I would like to see some actual reporting done and one of you go ask him directly about these newsletters; I would like it conducted without any partisan bitterness that I’ve been detecting in this stories as of late. This type of annoying nagging is the same reason why I moved away from mainstream politics, but perhaps that was just a pipe dream.

Yes, it is an issue, but oops, the MSM intercepted this supposed controversy and fumbled the ball mid-field. Even the mindless Wolf Blitzer gave good time to RP to explain his position and how it wasn’t him who wrote it, and somehow realized he didnt have much to leverage against RP. Even the NAACP President has publicly stated RP isn’t a racist (views on the NAACP’s actual significance nowadays aside, of course…). Yes, it’s not a case closed situation, but it’s not this raging hormonal controversy that some people seem to be salivating at the mouth for.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t; RP jumped right into what is obviously his main intention: to raise the public consciousness about some of the good ideas of classical liberalism / libertarianism, the austrian school, the chess game between Fascist Neo-Con Repubs & Soft-Socialism Dems, both increasing the size of government as they put the future of this country at stake while they have their fun.

RP has already won his battle, you do not need to win the Presidency in order to make a difference. The war will be up to us & his legacy.

Anyone who doesn’t observe RP with cautious optimism is kidding themselves (I would go so far as to include Rockwell, but he is fun to read); anyone who nitpicks with paranoia-pessimism & treats electability as some type of main goal is blind as a bat.

Ron Paul only showed us the door; we’re the ones that have to walk through it.

In any case, I will still continue to read TLP; just because one does not like cantaloupe doesn’t mean all the other fruit is rotten!

If you work to sabotage the efforts of people trying to put Paul into the presidency, you’re not much of an American

Ein volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer. Heil Ron Paul.

doug m. would definitely dry up if he didn’t write negative Ron Paul pieces. dry up in terms of anyone caring about what he writes. remember a long time ago he said that he would stop writing about Ron Paul altogether? that would have been nice. but i guess he realized that if not shit-talking against Ron Paul, his irrelevance would be too glaring.

Kevin,

Ein volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer. Heil Ron Paul.

Okay…that was a classic :)

I donated money as part of the Money Bomb in December but in light of the newsletters have realized I would be better off donating my money to other libertarian causes.

Cal,

I would be better off donating my money to other libertarian causes.

You know, sometimes I think that’s actually a better way to go about it. You often hear politicians try to portray themselves as libertarian-leaning (e.g. George W. Bush in 2000) at election time but they usually either fall far short of doing what they’d promised because they can’t get the support or because they were simply lying about it.

Maybe the way to go about promoting libertarianism for the long-term is simply to focus on non-profits or libertarian-friendly organizations working on issues at our local levels first, then worry about what candidates we want in office later. I mean, even the best libertarian politicians are going to have trouble implementing what they want if we haven’t established ourselves within society first, because they still have an electorate to answer to. Perhaps part of the reason we end up looking like nuts is that in our rush to free ourselves from society’s dictates we’ve gone too far and divorced ourselves from society at-large, which makes our views of being outsiders a self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of investing our time in money-bombing a candidate for office or hoping for a politician in the federal government to make life easier for us perhaps we should instead be investing our time in civic groups like Rotary or the Chamber of Commerce. It’s a lot easier for people to buy into what we have to say when they can put a friendly face with the ideals. And if we really believe that local solutions work best perhaps that’s the place we should focus on first with the idea that local actions will change government policy, rather than hoping that freedom will spread from the top on down.

Sorry, just a rambling thought that your comment touched off.

Adam,

Gotcha…I agree.

Nitroadict,

The companion book is good, but if you want to see what I was talking about I highly recommend the DVD set of “Free to Choose” (it was a PBS miniseries). That’s where you get to see Friedman’s debating style in action and that’s a bit lost in the books.

It’s kind of pricey (just shy of $100) but I found it to be worth it.

Richard Wicks,

You are correct here:

“What a joke you guys are. I’m a Libertarian, none of these so called think tanks or rags is. You’re not. They’re just talk talk talk, 0 action. They’re a distraction, for all practical purposes, designed to mire us in inaction.”

In fact, you have understated the reality of “Mainstream” “Liberty” Organizations/Publications.

Their only function is to frustrate any movement to re-attain the Liberty Americans long ago enjoyed in this nation. The “Liberty Papers” is among their number; mere time wasting liberty Busy Boxes and another conduit to redirect the straying back to the Statist ranch.

Please note the repeated use of the standard engineered consent techniques here as well as the vast majority of other ostensible Liberty promotion organizations.

I explained to many, that were naively bouyed by the brief spurt of media attention RP received recently, as well as predicting long before the fact, that it was merely part of the prelude for an attempted coupe de gras. It serves no purpose to deliver the media equivalent of a character assassination sucker punch until the victims name is somewhat recognized by the intended audience of the eventual smear campaign. The timing was also predictable, as was, the compressed time frame in which it played out(and timing before what was anticipated to be a good primary state) in the major press after months of low level buzz created by a constant drumbeat from lesser sources like the “Liberty Papers”. Coincidental timing of the “REASON” cover story on RP? No coincidence at all, the timing was perfect for the intended purpose. (Here is DM and companys cue to, once again, toss out the standard method to squelch inquiry by dismissing inconvenient inquiries as “conspiracy theory”).

Thanks for spreading the light of Liberty Richard and please assist me in warning others about the pretenders, like the “Liberty Papers”, that seek only to subvert the efforts of the TRUE heirs to the cause of Patrick Henry.

BTW-Their methods are laughable primarily due to the transparently consistent, time worn techniques:

(Not exhaustive)

1. He is a-Kook/Racist/Fringe/KKK/Nazi(see the staged group lovefest over this comment above by some of the foxes in cahoots “Ein volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer. Heil Ron Paul.”)/Radical/etc.

2. He will-Never win/has no chance/his coalition is fracturing/etc.

3. The “controversy” of the “scandal” has destroyed him/He is done/His entire career is over,finished,fini

4. Commenter X is an “expert”(in poli sci) and speaking with the “authority” of an “expert” I judge his chances to be Nil.

5. Commenter X is/was once a supporter but NOW that I have “discovered” the “TRUTH” about him I will not/cannot support him and will make sure to tell as many people as possible that “did you know I supported him but no longer do”

6. Bring out the former “Staffer” that wants to tell all the “Real” inside story on the victim(in this case RP)

7. People that support him are kooks/fringe/nazi/etc.

8. People that support him do so because it is a “CULT” movement, i.e. they do not support him for “rational reasons” like the people that support the establishment approved candidates and they are “blinded” to the “damaging truth” about him.

Feel free to add the rest but you will note the same playbook is being followed and the same tune is being sung by the various anti-RP megaphones.

You watch. Ron Paul is going to win the Nevada Caucuses today, and all you Ron critics will be having to cry Uncle.

My sources on the ground in NV tell me that Paul is going to crush Romney.

What will that say for the trumped up “Newsletter scandal” then?

By 7:00 pm est time tonight some folks here at Liberty Papers will be eating crow. Headlines:

Ron Paul shocks Nation; Beats Romney in Nevada

Thanks for the DVD info & the link to the free vids guys. I might consider getting the DVD set as a gift for a friend who is a bit on the fence with libertarianism (mainly due to economics).