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	<title>Comments on: Apparently, The Ron Paul Newsletters Weren&#8217;t An Anomaly</title>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ron Paul&#8217;s Friends Were His Own Worst Enemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ron Paul&#8217;s Friends Were His Own Worst Enemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] top of Stormfront, the 9/11 truthers, and everything else, the newsletters and a particularly offensive campaign mailer in Texas last month, just seemed to confirm all the worst fears about a candidate that had seemed so promising at the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] top of Stormfront, the 9/11 truthers, and everything else, the newsletters and a particularly offensive campaign mailer in Texas last month, just seemed to confirm all the worst fears about a candidate that had seemed so promising at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Tuesday Open Thread: Why Ron Paul Failed, And Where The &#8220;r3volution&#8221; Goes From Here</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53786</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Tuesday Open Thread: Why Ron Paul Failed, And Where The &#8220;r3volution&#8221; Goes From Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attempted to characterize Ron Paul as somewhere to the right of Tom Tancredo on immigration and, as we later learned in Texas, it wasn&#8217;t an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53216</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SC,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose we can look forward to a response during the runup for the 2012 election…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My, my...someone&#039;s quite the little optimist :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SC,</p>
<blockquote><p>I suppose we can look forward to a response during the runup for the 2012 election…</p></blockquote>
<p>My, my&#8230;someone&#8217;s quite the little optimist :)</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53215</link>
		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even slower than a year? :)  I suppose we can look forward to a response during the runup for the 2012 election...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even slower than a year? :)  I suppose we can look forward to a response during the runup for the 2012 election&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53210</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitroadict,

I suspect it&#039;s also because they realize that the presidential campaign is over so there&#039;s really no point...plus I think Ron Paul&#039;s campaign cut back on staffing so the response times to average folk writing in is even slower than before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitroadict,</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s also because they realize that the presidential campaign is over so there&#8217;s really no point&#8230;plus I think Ron Paul&#8217;s campaign cut back on staffing so the response times to average folk writing in is even slower than before.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53207</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I had almost forgotten what this entire page was about lol.  I still find it odd though, whether or not they see the mailer or the race-baiting as problem, that they don&#039;t respond either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I had almost forgotten what this entire page was about lol.  I still find it odd though, whether or not they see the mailer or the race-baiting as problem, that they don&#8217;t respond either way.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53203</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitroadict,

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s rather frustrating the RP campaign won’t respond. Why they think ignoring such problems is a good idea, is beyond me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspect it&#039;s because they don&#039;t see the mailer or engaging in race-baiting as a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitroadict,</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s rather frustrating the RP campaign won’t respond. Why they think ignoring such problems is a good idea, is beyond me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t see the mailer or engaging in race-baiting as a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53200</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rather frustrated the RP campaign won&#039;t respond.  Why they think ignoring such problems is a good idea, is beyond me.

Going obviously off-topic, but I think an interesting metaphor for the type of critical mass I can see that could lead to what Kaliqula envisions can be found in the video game (I apologize for wasting my time with video games.... ;D) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots: 

&quot;Metal Gear Solid 4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes.&quot;

In addition, the line between soldier and civilian becomes increasingly blurred, as the world is catapulted into perpetual proxie wars.

Taken in account with oilnwater&#039;s counter that the sword has an opposite edge as well, I could somewhat foresee a time where the line between soldier and civilian is blurred to the point where the control of populations go both ways:  goverment controlling people and people controlling people to fight the government.  

Obviously, not a very optimistic nor bright (let alone hopeful or morally right) possibility, but interesting &amp; ominous all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather frustrated the RP campaign won&#8217;t respond.  Why they think ignoring such problems is a good idea, is beyond me.</p>
<p>Going obviously off-topic, but I think an interesting metaphor for the type of critical mass I can see that could lead to what Kaliqula envisions can be found in the video game (I apologize for wasting my time with video games&#8230;. ;D) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots: </p>
<p>&#8220;Metal Gear Solid 4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>In addition, the line between soldier and civilian becomes increasingly blurred, as the world is catapulted into perpetual proxie wars.</p>
<p>Taken in account with oilnwater&#8217;s counter that the sword has an opposite edge as well, I could somewhat foresee a time where the line between soldier and civilian is blurred to the point where the control of populations go both ways:  goverment controlling people and people controlling people to fight the government.  </p>
<p>Obviously, not a very optimistic nor bright (let alone hopeful or morally right) possibility, but interesting &amp; ominous all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: oilnwater</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53175</link>
		<dc:creator>oilnwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaliqula, that sword has an opposite edge too, i.e. the advancement of information and control technologies correlates with the opportunity for the advancement population behavior control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaliqula, that sword has an opposite edge too, i.e. the advancement of information and control technologies correlates with the opportunity for the advancement population behavior control.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53174</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give it a year...that&#039;s about the turnaround time for the Paul campaign to respond to anything apparently :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give it a year&#8230;that&#8217;s about the turnaround time for the Paul campaign to respond to anything apparently :)</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53173</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SC, 

Nope.

And, as far as I know, neither has anyone else. There&#039;s no mention of the ad on the campaign&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SC, </p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>And, as far as I know, neither has anyone else. There&#8217;s no mention of the ad on the campaign&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53172</link>
		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Returning to the original thrust of the thread - have had any response from the Paul campaign or have any further info on the mailer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Returning to the original thrust of the thread &#8211; have had any response from the Paul campaign or have any further info on the mailer?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53171</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prospect of a 23rd century anarchist society is hopeful &amp; the idea of them looking back and down at us is fairly poignant.  Indeed, good post Kaligula, specifically for the example of the Internet; I&#039;ve often thought of similar things when it comes to the Internet and it&#039;s effects on human beings in regards to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prospect of a 23rd century anarchist society is hopeful &amp; the idea of them looking back and down at us is fairly poignant.  Indeed, good post Kaligula, specifically for the example of the Internet; I&#8217;ve often thought of similar things when it comes to the Internet and it&#8217;s effects on human beings in regards to society.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53169</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaligula,

I agree that supporting government will ultimately entail at least some level of contradiction or even hypocrisy.  For now I&#039;m okay with that.

But you make good points about this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaligula,</p>
<p>I agree that supporting government will ultimately entail at least some level of contradiction or even hypocrisy.  For now I&#8217;m okay with that.</p>
<p>But you make good points about this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaligula</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/25/apparently-the-ron-paul-newsletters-werent-an-anomaly/#comment-53165</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaligula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire thread perfectly illustrates the inherent contradictions in trying to peg libertarianism within the monoploy enforcement model of the State.

there is no doubt that the right of succession is a fundamental component of a classical liberal or &quot;libertarian&quot; state. To deny that, then you are denying the very essence of our &quot;Declaration of Independence.&quot; However, how is it really morally justifiable to give a &quot;pass&quot; to the South to have succeeded to perpetuate the contemptible institution of human slavery under the guise of libertarian doctrinal purity?

In the end, the lesson to be learned is that there is a real underlying distinction between libertarianism and classical liberalism. Libertarianism is fundamentally an anarchist position(true to it&#039;s 19th century historical roots) and classical liberalism is an 18th century enlightenment minarchist model that has not held up over time, indeed is likely flawed from the start.

You may think anarchism is not viable. To the contrary, i would posit that anarchism is more viable and potentially much evolutionary stable than minarchy. Our 21st century global communications model is built fundamentally on an a de-centralized, anarchist model. The internet could survive just fine without the State. Say you put the internet under a minarchist, centalized monopoly control and I guarantee you within a specific time frame, it would devolve into an overbearing, centralized control framework.

Ultimately, you are going to have to come to same conclusion that I did...Liberty is simply not compatible with monopoly enforcement. Anarchism is the only likely framework to sustain Liberty. David friedman, not Milton Friedman. Sure, it&#039;s not going to happen within our short lifetime span, but I have to suppose that a 23rd century anarchist society is going to look down on the flaws of the 20th century with the same degree of smugness we look down on the flaws of pre-enlightenment European church/monarchy fusionism. How barbaric indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire thread perfectly illustrates the inherent contradictions in trying to peg libertarianism within the monoploy enforcement model of the State.</p>
<p>there is no doubt that the right of succession is a fundamental component of a classical liberal or &#8220;libertarian&#8221; state. To deny that, then you are denying the very essence of our &#8220;Declaration of Independence.&#8221; However, how is it really morally justifiable to give a &#8220;pass&#8221; to the South to have succeeded to perpetuate the contemptible institution of human slavery under the guise of libertarian doctrinal purity?</p>
<p>In the end, the lesson to be learned is that there is a real underlying distinction between libertarianism and classical liberalism. Libertarianism is fundamentally an anarchist position(true to it&#8217;s 19th century historical roots) and classical liberalism is an 18th century enlightenment minarchist model that has not held up over time, indeed is likely flawed from the start.</p>
<p>You may think anarchism is not viable. To the contrary, i would posit that anarchism is more viable and potentially much evolutionary stable than minarchy. Our 21st century global communications model is built fundamentally on an a de-centralized, anarchist model. The internet could survive just fine without the State. Say you put the internet under a minarchist, centalized monopoly control and I guarantee you within a specific time frame, it would devolve into an overbearing, centralized control framework.</p>
<p>Ultimately, you are going to have to come to same conclusion that I did&#8230;Liberty is simply not compatible with monopoly enforcement. Anarchism is the only likely framework to sustain Liberty. David friedman, not Milton Friedman. Sure, it&#8217;s not going to happen within our short lifetime span, but I have to suppose that a 23rd century anarchist society is going to look down on the flaws of the 20th century with the same degree of smugness we look down on the flaws of pre-enlightenment European church/monarchy fusionism. How barbaric indeed&#8230;</p>
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