Comments on: The Relationship Between Immigration And Crime http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 22 May 2013 18:26:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-53014 Benjamin Kuipers Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:36:44 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-53014 Of course not, I have never written that individuals are always bound morally to obey the law, merely that, if one breaks it, he has in fact violated it, and committed a “crime.”

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52982 Doug Mataconis Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:36:02 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52982 Benjamin,

So if you had lived in Nazi Germany and the law required you to turn over your Jewish neighbors to the SS, you would’ve done so ?

After all, the law is the law.

]]> By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52981 Benjamin Kuipers Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:27:04 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52981 UCrawford:

You are appealing to some natural law or some other revealed or imaginary construct of your imagination. It is indeed a crime to break the law, regardless if no one is harmed. This in no way speaks to whether the law is just or unjust… in any event, a crime has been committed.

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52959 UCrawford Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:46:20 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52959 Benjamin,

Of course, but this in no way indicates that the acts are not crimes… but rather, victimless crimes.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime…”crimes” that may be accurately classified as “victimless” are nothing more than violations of pointless and likely unjust laws.

]]> By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52953 Benjamin Kuipers Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:19:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52953 Of course, but this in no way indicates that the acts are not crimes… but rather, victimless crimes.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52952 Doug Mataconis Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:16:19 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52952 And overly strict immigration laws.

]]> By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52951 Benjamin Kuipers Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:15:12 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52951 Crawford: “Only if you operate under the assumption that all laws are just”

Not so, not all laws are just. Many things which are crimes which do not violate the rights of others… smoking dope, insider-trading, etc…

]]> By: UCrawford http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52934 UCrawford Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:35:20 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52934 Benjamin,

Breaking the law constitutes committing a crime.

Only if you operate under the assumption that all laws are just…which history has conclusively demonstrated is not the case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_Internment

Violating the rights of another individual or his property constitutes a crime…breaking a law that restricts consensual human interaction is merely breaking a law.

]]> By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52933 Benjamin Kuipers Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:24:03 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52933 Holmes,

Breaking the law constitutes committing a crime.

]]> By: David Wilson http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52931 David Wilson Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:34:17 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52931 Way to go, Doug!

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52930 Joshua Holmes Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:41:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52930 Kuipers,

Your fundamental mistake is to confuse breaking the law with committing a crime.

]]> By: Benjamin Kuipers http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52919 Benjamin Kuipers Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:52:27 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52919 There is no question about whether illegal immigrants commit more crimes. They all commit federal crimes by illegally entering the United States. Perhaps U.S. citizens violate federal law on an equitable basis, but we can know one thing is absolutely without doubt, every single solitary undocumented migrant present in the U.S. has broken the law, and, through their continued presence within the U.S., continue to violate it.

]]> By: trumpetbob15 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52888 trumpetbob15 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:42:58 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52888 Not to fully play devil’s advocate here, but if we are talking about serious crimes, what about people who flee back across the border to escape? They won’t wind up in jail, but they also wouldn’t be in the country anymore. It also would be helpful to have a statistic on the percentage of unsolved crimes. If the police only solve 10%, or even 40%, of serious crimes, the possibility of an immigrant committing the crime would skew these results if we are truly looking at immigrants vs. citizens committing crimes.

]]> By: Quincy http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52886 Quincy Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:48:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52886 Well, this confirms what I’ve thought for a long, long time. It’s not the first generation immigrants, it’s their descendants along with other groups that have had significant exposure to the welfare state in California that are the real drivers of crime.

]]> By: Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » The Relationship Between Immigration And Crime http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52881 Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » The Relationship Between Immigration And Crime Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:57:56 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/02/26/the-relationship-between-immigration-and-crime/#comment-52881 [...] not exactly what you might think.   [...]

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